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The_Goat · Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:24 pm Post subject: Hugo Chavez dead

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/venezuelas-chavez-dies-ending-era-064437709.html

First Kim Jong Il, now Chavez. Quite sure Castro will follow pretty soon. The World will soon be bereft of some interesting characters.

But whatever his politics, I liked the man. He had chutzpah, one must admit. And unlike Kim Jong Il and Castro, he didn't ruin the lives of the so called 'class enemies'.

RIP.
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jasepl · Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay

True. LIke Silvio and Sarko, politics aside (and, frankly, Hugo's politics didn't affect us) he at least had character.

Compared to yawn-fests like Hollande and Manmohan.
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Spiderguy252 · Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:00 pm Post subject:

Slightly tangential, but does anybody believe this nonsense? Over the past year, I've been heavily into the subject of peak oil, and these OPEC graphs are as dodgy as they come.

As a thumb rule, countries like to overstate their reserves to receive continued funding from the organization - so you have massive jumps at portions of the graph without any associated discovery on the ground. Furthermore, the lines are always horizontal on other occasions - meaning that coincidentally, each country is discovering just as much oil as they're producing each year - there's never any decline!

Have a look at Venezuela's Chavez instigated jump in 2008. That's scarcely believable, claiming that they now have fewer barrels than just Saudi Arabia.

Meanwhile, this is the reality of their output:

The arrow indicates Chavez's entry into power, and they near-peaked shortly afterward. Chavez drove their industry into the ground in a matter of a year or two, trying to achieve a maximum effort or a secondary peak, as it's called.
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stealthpilot · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 2325 Location: BLR, DXB

Set aside the oil output, look at the crime rate this past decade. It's gone up and up and up .... Venezuela is scary for locals many of whom dont want to return because they are scared of getting mugged/killed over a carjacking.

He might have personality but he made the streets even more unsafe.
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The_Goat · Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:11 pm Post subject:

At no point did anyone claim that Hugo was a great leader. He was as inept, clueless and as full of hubris as they come. Much like Kim Jong, Castro, Mugabe and other bozos.

But in spite of being dictatorial, he didn't indulge in any blood fest, which is quite praiseworthy. He also consistently kept showing the US the middle finger (the Bush Administration in particular) whilst sitting in their backyard, which is also quite commendable. These attributes lent him certain endearing characteristics of strength, which are becoming all too rare in a World in which positions of leadership are increasingly getting usurped by buttlickers and bullshitters.

For that alone Hugo deserves respect.
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iah87 · Member Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 2566

I dont think we can compare Hugo with Iran and N. Korean leaders. N. Korea especially. For Venezuelan poor, he is still a hero. Ultimately power corrupts, his tenure was good, but he should have stepped aside when his health was deteriorating. As far as oil revenues, Venzuela has still plenty of oil, there are many desperate companies who will be willing to invest in Venezuela.