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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:51 pm    Post subject: New Indian aircraft carrier. Reply with quote

USSR aircraft carrier Admiral Goreshkov remodeled as INS Vikramaditya just prior to extensive sea trial.
http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-ins-vikramaditya-sets-the-pace-in-sea-trials/20120629.htm ( copyright rediff news ).

This white elephant should not be used closed to Pak coast line or near Karachi harbor but will be useful in Bay of Bengal and Andaman area.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:31 pm    Post subject: Re: New Indian aircraft carrier. Reply with quote

sabya99 wrote:
USSR aircraft carrier Admiral Goreshkov remodeled as INS Vikramaditya just prior to extensive sea trial.
http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-ins-vikramaditya-sets-the-pace-in-sea-trials/20120629.htm ( copyright rediff news ).

This white elephant should not be used closed to Pak coast line or near Karachi harbor but will be useful in Bay of Bengal and Andaman area.


in interesting comment worth noting

"Aircraft carrier are useful only in case if a nation has enemy far away from its reach. With the development of long range missiles, ICBM and increased range of fighter planes which can hit enemy in remote location, the need of Aircraft carrier has gradually reduced. Britain, France, Russia are downsizing their aircraft fleets. India's don't have any enemies far from its missiles reach.

It is very difficult and costly to maintain an aircraft carrier. Thousands of crore of rupees are required to ope rationalize, maintain and repair it. Also it is very visible target for enemy and good armies (like pakistan, china) can easily destroy it in case of war ( due to improved radar , missiles system).

India needs to invest more money in missiles (to increase their range). In Navy, more frigates (for vigilance and ), warships in case of battle), nuclear submarines ( which are hard to detect) with nuclear capabilities are required."

another good one

"The Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier was an Old Soviet Rusting Ship that Russia offered to India when no other country was ready or had to give for India in a Short time.The Ukraine shipyard did not want to give the blue prints to Russia or India on any of their secrets in building the aircraft carrier. So the blue prints got lost!
So then when the actual work started both India & Russian shipyard team had to replace about 70% of the old steel & equipments/weapon.
So now the ship had got more than 70% new parts including the boilers .So that means there was additional work in removing the old 70% parts from the ship that was not included in the original cost / plan. New cables have to be laid as the 70% upgrade happened. Old electronics had to be replaced with the new electronics. The fluctuation in the market has also some influence in the cost hike.
The New rebuilt Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier looks good now. Most of all for the money we spent on the Old aircraft carrier worth as the learning experiences that both Russia & the India Technical team got during this project. This gave confidence to the Indian team & India has started to build a new aircraft carrier now & more to be built in future.
I believe that the new rebuilt Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier will be of Great Power to the Indian Navy as this has both the Indian & Russian Design. Will have other electronics of Indian , Russian & may be some of the electronics from the west."

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

India has a large coast line. It needs lots of frigates with ASW helicopter capability. Besides it should have many missile corvettes for offensive role. Large aircraft carriers could be replaced by shore based naval air stations operating long range aircrafts.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/279235/ins-vikramaditya-trial-malfunctions-delay.html

INS Vikramaditya trial malfunctions to delay handover to India

Moscow, Sep 17, 2012, (IANS/RIA Novosti)

Malfunctions detected during trials of Indian Navy aircraft carrier Vikramaditya will delay the vessel’s handover to India, the Kommersant business daily reported Monday.

The Vikramaditya, formerly the Russian Navy's Admiral Gorshkov, is to be handed over to India after ongoing sea trials following a much-delayed refit. According to the latest agreements, it was to have been handed over Dec 4, but the deadline has been postponed again until October 2013.

The problems started when the vessel tried to gain maximum speed. “Seven out of eight steam boilers of the propulsion machinery were out of order,” an official told Kommersant.

The official, who prepared the Vikramaditya for sea trials, said the reason for the boilers’ failure was that India refused to use asbestos as a means to protect the boilers from heat, fearing that the material was dangerous for the crew.

He said the boilers’ designer had to use firebrick, which proved not sufficiently heatproof, the official said.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if its the fault of the Russians or whether Indian Navy screwed up in asking for firebrick to be used for heat insulation.

Asbestos is a pollutant alright, but this is an old ship and I am not sure how compatible its systems are with newer methods of insulation.

All in all, another massive delay for an already massively delayed carrier!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

repeat of what we saw for Mirages...first we paid to have fuel nozzle removed, and then paid again for it to be refitted.

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INS Vikramaditya trials termed successful

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/ins-vikramaditya-trials-termed-successful/article3958345.ece

The controversial sea trials of the INS Vikramaditya in Russia, initially described as an embarrassing failure, appear to have actually been a success, while propulsion problems developed by the aircraft carrier are not nearly as serious as reported in the media.
After the ship returned to the Sevmash shipyard a week ago the Indian Navy’s overseeing team, who closely monitored the sea trials, came to the conclusion that the ship had overall done extremely well and the programme of tests had been largely fulfilled.
The results of the trials were analysed and remaining work was detailed in a protocol signed by Vice Admiral Nadella Niranjan Kumar, Controller Warship Production and Acquisition (CWPA).
The main conclusion from the trials is that the INS Vikramaditya has stood the test as a full-fledged highly capable aircraft carrier converted from the former hybrid missile-cum-aviation cruiser Admiral Gorshkov. The ship displayed excellent seaworthiness and manoeuvrability and performed flawlessly during aircraft takeoff and landing. It’s sophisticated radio-electronic, navigation and other systems demonstrated high efficiency and reliability.
The malfunctioning of the boilers that occurred during high-speed tests will not require their replacement or removal from the vessel. The problem has been pinned down to insulation lining that is placed between the boiler steel casing and ceramic firebricks. Traditional asbestos lining was not used at the request of Indian specialists and replacement material developed slight deformation when the boilers were run at full power, causing some firebricks to fall out. The Indian side has now agreed to the use of asbestos cardboard.
The boiler problem did not prevent the INS Vikramaditya from completing the trials. Informed sources told The Hindu that Indian Navy officers were particularly impressed by the flight programme. A MiG-29K and a MiG-29KUB 4++ generation fighters performed 41 impeccable take-offs and landings with full arms payload and additional fuel tanks. The combination of Russia and India-made optical and electronic landing systems enabled the Russian pilots in 70 percent of the landings to hook the second out of three arrestor wires, which is considered a perfect result, the sources said.
The 44000-ton vessel also displayed superior manoeuvrability, performing a 360-degree turn at a minimum radius equal to one-and-a-half hull length at a speed of 18 knots.
Apart from the boilers, defects were also detected in some other equipment, such as refrigerators, nitrogen generators and compressors sourced from German, British, Polish and Indian suppliers who had been picked by the Indian side.
Russian shipbuilders have promised to complete all repairs by the beginning of next year, but since pre-delivery trials in the White Sea can resume only in late May, when sea ice melts away, the Vikramaditya will be handed over to the Indian Navy next autumn instead of this December, the sources said.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aseem wrote:
repeat of what we saw for Mirages...first we paid to have fuel nozzle removed, and then paid again for it to be refitted

...not to nitpick, I think it was for the Jaguars, and not the Mirage-2000s, if I remember correctly. It was not too illogical, either. The refuelling probe has a drag penalty, and was not really needed in the scenario when the Jaguars were acquired. Warfare tactics have changed since then, and the IAF has the Il-78 `Midas' re-fuellers, and will possibly have the A330MRTT as well, soon - current tactics call for as many force-multipliers as possible.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gorshkov to be delivered to India towards end of 2013: Russia

New Delhi, Oct 10, 2012, (PTI) :
Aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov will be handed over towards the end of next year, Russia said today as India conveyed its "serious concern" over the prolonged delay and asked it to adopt a "wartime approach" for ensuring its early delivery.

The issue came up at a meeting here between Defence Minister A K Antony and his Russian counterpart Anatoly Serdyukov during which Moscow said the 45,000-tonne aircraft carrier had suffered a "big malfunction" in its engine and could be handed over only in "fourth quarter of 2013".

India had signed the contract for buying the second-hand warship, now rechristened INS Vikramaditya, in 2004 and it was supposed to be delivered in 2009. Due to recurring escalation in price, it was rescheduled to be delivered in December this year but the present problem has pushed it back by almost one more year.

"We have handed over the revised overhaul and transfer schedule to the Indian side and we believe that transfer of the ship will take place in the 4th quarter of the 2013," Serdyukov told reporters at the joint press conference after the meeting of the India-Russia Inter-Governmental Commission on Military-Technical Cooperation (IR-IGMTC).

"The ship encountered big malfunction with the main power plant and the boiler. Right now the ship is relocated to the factory," he said on the present status of the carrier and hoped that it would be ready for sea trials by April next year.

On the delay in the warship reaching Indian waters, Antony said early delivery of the aircraft carrier was important for India.

"In all the meetings, we have conveyed serious concern about the delay. In the restricted and various other meetings, I myself have talked about the serious concern over the delay," he said.

Antony said he has "suggested that all agencies involved in trials and delivery of the warship must hereafter adopt a wartime approach to complete the trials so that delivery can be as early as possible."

Navy officials said so far India has not thought of levying any penalty on the Russian shipyard but said as per the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP), the Defence Ministry can penalise foreign vendors if there are major slippages in delivery schedules.

The deal for the Russian aircraft carrier was signed in 2004. But the price of the ship was renegotiated and later put at USD 2.3 billion after repeated cost revision demands by the Russian side for repair and overhaul.

The officials said the two sides will also hold discussions on the delays in other projects such as the three Talwar Class-follow on projects.

Other issues which are expected to come up for discussion are the problems in the supply of spares for the Russian equipment in Indian inventory and their maintenance.

Deccan Herald ; http://www.deccanherald.com/content/284372/gorshkov-delivered-india-towards-end.html
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

India unlikely to fine Russia for delay in warship delivery

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India is unlikely to bill Russia for the delay in the delivery of the refitted aircraft carrier Vikramaditya caused by engine problems last year, said Viktor Komardin, deputy general director of Russia’s state arms exporter Rosoboronexport.

The Vikramaditya, which is already years behind its original 2008 delivery date, was to have been handed over Dec 4, 2012, but sea trials in September revealed that the ship's boilers were not fully functional.

“In theory, India has the right to do so (to impose a fine). But we believe that we will find a mutually beneficial solution to this problem in a friendly atmosphere. Actually, we already have, but for now, we’re saying that we will,” Komardin said at LIMA-2013 (Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition) in Malaysia.

India and Russia signed the original $947-million deal in 2004 for the purchase and refit of the carrier, but delivery has already been delayed twice, pushing up the cost of refurbishing the ship twice over to $2.3 billion.

Defense News website reported earlier in the year that New Delhi had showed signs of impatience over the Vikramaditya's tortuous refit and demanded compensation from the Russians at a meeting in October 2012 for the latest delay in delivery. The Russians rejected that claim, saying the parts that failed had been bought by the Indian Navy.

The Vikramaditya was originally built as the Soviet Project 1143.4 class aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov. The Project 1143.4 carriers and a class of destroyers with the same engines suffered a history of boiler failures during their service lives.

The ship was laid down in 1978 at the Nikolayev South shipyard in Ukraine, launched in 1982, and commissioned with the Soviet Navy in 1987. In 1994, the Gorshkov sat in dock for a year for repairs after a boiler room explosion. In 1995, it briefly returned to service but was finally withdrawn and put up for sale in 1996.

The ship has a displacement of 45,000 tons, and an endurance of 13,500 nautical miles (25,000 km) at a cruising speed of 18 knots. It will have an air wing consisting of Russian-made MiG-29K jet fighter planes and Kamov Ka-31 early warning radar helicopters.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when they can bill us extra for the delay or whatever, why can't we?? Diplomacy has its own weird ways.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aircraft carrier Liaoning ( Chinese Navy ) vs Vikramaditya ( Indian Navy ): A comparison.
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What is the best Aircraft carrier?
both are ex Soviet vessels, and undergone furbishment in Ukraine and Russia.

Liaoning Aircraft Carrier is Admiral Kuznetsov Class
While Vikramaditiya is a modified Kiev class carrier

And Liaoning plans to operate over 55 aircraft with J-15, Su-27k, Ka-31, Z-8
While vikramaditya plans to operate over 30 aircraft with Mig 29k, Ka-31, HAL Dhruv

And planned armament of Liaoning are,
- 4 x 18 cell FL-3000N (72 missiles)
- 3 x 30mm Type 1030 CIWS
- 2 x 240mm ASW launchers (10 barrels ea)
- 4 x Decoy/Chaff (24 barrels ea)

While Vikramaditiyas armaments are,
- 3 X 24 SA-N-9 SAM
- 4 X 32 CADS-N-1 SAM/CIWS
- 4 X AK-630 30mm CIWS
-2 X 12 ASW RBU-6000

And both carriers have 2 elevators.
And Liaoning can operate under 2,500crew and Vikramaditiya can operate under 2,000crew.

and about the displacement Liaoning has 65,000t and Vikramaditya has only 45,000t.


Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/naval-warfare/233208-aircraft-carrier-liaoning-vs-vikramaditya.html#ixzz2Q5NIeOYL
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INS Vikramaditya to undergo sea trials in North Sea from June.

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/ins-vikramadityas-sea-trials-begin-in-june/20130524.htm
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India-made aircraft-carrier to test waters in Aughttp://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/logistics/indiamade-aircraftcarrier-to-test-waters-in-aug/article4841086.ece

Kochi, June 22:
The Indian Navy’s indigenously built aircraft carrier, which is under construction at the Cochin Shipyard, will be launched on August 12 by Union Defence Minister A. K. Antony.
The carrier will be floated out of the shipyard on August 12 and taken to the repair dock to carry out remaining work. The hull work for the vessel will be over by June next year, by when the ship will be ready for trials. The vessel will be inducted into the Navy by January 2018, Commodore K. Subramaniam, Chairman and Managing Director, Cochin Shipyard, said.
India is the fifth country in the world to design and construct an air defence ship. The yard has been working with the navy for over seven years in building this vessel, he said.
Describing the construction of the carrier as a significant achievement for the yard, he said this was the most challenging task that it had undertaken so far. According to Subramaniam, this is the first time the yard is constructing a warship.
As the specifications for commercial vessels and warships are different, there are only a few yards in the country where both can be constructed.
The shipyard had signed the contract for the construction of the aircraft carrier with the Navy in 2007 and the keel was laid in February 2009.
Subramaniam pointed out that negotiations with the navy for the second phase of the aircraft carrier are complete and the contract will be signed after getting Cabinet approval. The design of the ship is happening along with its construction, so the shipyard is hopeful of delivering the vessel by 2018, he said.
Sources say that the aircraft carrier, which weighs 40,000 tonnes and has 20,000 tonnes of steel, is estimated to cost $4-5 billion
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INS Vikramaditya sea trials successful

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ins-vikramaditya-sea-trials-successful/article4963564.ece


India’s second aircraft carrier, the 45,000-tonne INS Vikramaditya — a retrofitted Russian carrier formerly named Admiral Gorshkov dating back to the 1980s — has successfully completed sea trial of achieving top speed of 32 knots, reports received from Russia said on Sunday.
It will now head for the White Sea where aviation trials will be conducted, informed sources said. INS Vikramaditya was supposed to have been delivered five years ago, but the Navy is likely to receive it by this year-end.
The extensively modernised Soviet-era carrier had set sail from the Sevmash shipyard for its first comprehensive sea trials in the summer of 2012. Russian MiG-29K fighter pilots had successfully completed take-offs and landings on its deck. The crew tested the aircraft carrier for its top speed but it simply stopped at 30 knots. It turned out that the boilers needed better insulation, which had given way due to extreme temperatures. It took several months to fix the glitch and send the vessel for sea trials again, sources said.
The aircraft carrier, which can easily hold about 30 fighter jets and helicopters, will now go for aviation trials. “Touch-and-go exercises by fighters and various other flight profiles will also be undertaken,” officials said.
The towering 284 metre-long and 60-metre-high Vikramaditya is fitted with modern communication systems, a protective coating, a telephone exchange, pumps, hygiene and galley equipment, lifts and many more facilities. Officials said that at any given time, there would be a 2,000-strong staff on the completely remodelled aircraft carrier, which has an extended flight deck and a full runway with a ski jump and arrestor wires. The vessel has new engines, boilers, generators, electrical machinery, communication systems and distillation plants.
As India’s requirements grew and the shipyard lagged behind in adhering to schedules, the price of retrofit soared. It is estimated that the final cost would have gone up to around $2.3 billion. India had bought Admiral Gorshkov in 2005 for $947 million, renamed it Vikramaditya and gave it to the Russian shipyard for refitting and turning it into a modern aircraft carrier.
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You tube report on new Vikrant under construction in Cochi Shipyard: http://youtu.be/PGqwN2x2tVE The museum ship Vikrant after retirement: http://youtu.be/2TSz0cLnSqg Vikrant in action (1971 ) : http://youtu.be/6m_ZvlAK0nc
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INS Vikrant set for launch tomorrow
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/ins-vikrant-set-for-launch-tomorrow/article5012155.ece

Kochi, Aug 11:
India will launch its first indigenous aircraft carrier INS Vikrant tomorrow, making an entry into a select club of countries capable of designing and building a carrier of this size and capability.
Defence Minister A K Antony’s wife Elizabeth will launch the 37,500 tonne carrier at Kochi shipyard close to four-and-a-half years after its keel was laid by the minister.
Other countries capable of designing and building an equivalent size ship are the US, the UK, Russia and France.
The launch will mark the end of the first phase of its construction and it will then be re-docked for outfitting and construction of superstructure.
It is set to go for extensive trials in 2016 before being inducted into the Navy by 2018 end, as per its schedule.
Mig29K, Light Combat Aircraft and Kamov 31 could fly from the carrier.
The launch would be the “crowning glory” of Indian Navy’s indigenisation programme, said Vice-Admiral R K Dhowan, the Vice-Chief of Naval Staff.
Apart from domestic design and manufacturing work, it is the high grade warship steel made by the Steel Authority of India which has been used for building the ship.
The indigenous component in the warship would be approximately anywhere between 80 and 90 per cent in floating department, up to 60 per cent in movement and not more than 30 per cent in fighting component of the carrier.
The ship, with a length of 260 m and breadth of 60 m, has been designed by Directorate of Naval Design and is being built at Cochin Shipyard Limited.
Its production work had commenced in November 2006.
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Dr. Ganguly, many of us have been following the Arihant and Vikrant developments with a huge lot of interest - thanks for your putting up links almost as soon as they hit the headlines in India! These will be great force multipliers and somewhat of a show (the aircraft carrier), given India's limited naval aspirations, unlike the big 5.
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sumantra wrote:
Dr. Ganguly, many of us have been following the Arihant and Vikrant developments with a huge lot of interest - thanks for your putting up links almost as soon as they hit the headlines in India! These will be great force multipliers and somewhat of a show (the aircraft carrier), given India's limited naval aspirations, unlike the big 5.
Cheers, Sumantra.

India should not have a limited naval aspiration as whole Indian ocean is India,s backyard. Just because invaders came from North West / Afganistan doesn't mean no attack could take place from the sea. Also for economic reasons India must control much of Indian ocean. After all Portugese,French and British Navy invaded the subcontinent from the sea and not from North West. Very Happy
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For Dr Ganguly and Professor Sumantra.



INS Vikrant - 2 was launched today at CSL.

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Lovely image Shukla Sir, thank you!
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The ship and ski jump looks nice. A great achivement for India.
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thanks for the first photo of it at the sea. Does this mean its engines are now critical?

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Looks great....
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India enters select warship club

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Kochi, Aug. 12: A giant grey hull with a flared ski-jump at its head slid slowly backwards from a dock in the Cochin Shipyard here this afternoon and India immediately claimed it was one of only five countries capable of building an aircraft carrier.
The carrier is only a shell of the vessel it promises to be but defence minister A.K. Antony’s wife Elizabeth formally named it the Indian Naval Ship Vikrant, in keeping with a naval tradition in which only women launch warships.
The Vikrant is designed to house 20 aircraft that will include MiG29K and LCA Tejas (navy) combat jets and a variety of helicopters when, if the builders can stick to timelines, it is commissioned into service in 2018.
Estimated to cost about Rs 20,000 crore, the Vikrant is referred to in official files as the Indigenous Aircraft Carrier-I (plans for a second carrier are on the drawing board).
Although America, Britain, Russia and France have been regular builders of aircraft carriers, China has recently acquired one after re-jigging a carrier bought from Russia. India is building the Vikrant from scratch.
Only three aircraft carriers are being built in the world today — USS Gerald R. Ford by the US which is slated to be operational in 2016, HMS Queen Elizabeth which is scheduled to go into trials in 2018, and the Vikrant.
A fourth, INS Vikramaditya (Admiral Gorshkov) is going through sea trials. Antony today said he expected it to be inducted into the naval fleet by the end of the year. Vikramaditya is four years late, its costs having doubled since it was contracted in 2004.
France and Britain have deferred or put on hold plans to build aircraft carriers because of the costs involved.
“We have truly evolved from being a buyer’s navy to a builder’s navy,” the chief of the naval staff, Admiral D.K. Joshi, said.
In undertaking Project-71, India has got technological spin-offs. First, the Steel Authority devised a process to make the warship-grade steel that has gone into the Vikrant.
Second, Cochin Shipyard claims it has perfected three new types of welding processes that hold all the steel together to make the vessel. The steel and the welding processes will be used for all warship production in India from now on. The navy currently has 46 warships on order.
“I am not saying that there will never be any more imports,” said Commodore Saibal Sen, project director. “But from here on, if a proposal were to be floated to import a warship, everyone would sit up and ask, ‘Why?’ You will have to have a very good reason.”
India’s navy now operates only one aircraft carrier, INS Viraat, which has been given an extended life through refits. It is more than 50 years old and was originally with Britain’s Royal Navy as HMS Hermes.
As Vikrant (mark II) was sliding down the rails of the Cochin Shipyard dock this afternoon, the original INS Vikrant was being cut up at the naval dockyard in Mumbai. Both the Maharashtra government and the Indian Navy found it too expensive to maintain the carrier as a museum after it was decommissioned in 1997.
The navy ideally wants to have three carriers, one each for the eastern and western seaboards and one in reserve, to maintain its perceived maritime superiority over China. But that is not happening soon. Viraat will be decommissioned by the time Vikrant is ready in 2018.
China’s carrier, the Liaoning, was commissioned into its navy last year. The carrier was bought ostensibly by a resort operator on the plea that it would make a floating casino out of the abandoned Russian ship, Varyag. But the Chinese used the hull of the vessel to make their own carrier four years later.
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Chinese defence experts today said the Vikrant’s launch bore “great significance for the Indian navy” because it would allow it to wade into the Pacific Ocean, which China considers its backyard, PTI reported from Beijing.
By then, India’s navy will have already taken the lead over China’s with the Vikramaditya joining the Viraat by the end of this year, Senior Captain Zhang Junshe, vice-president of China’s Naval Research Institute, told the state-run CCTV today.
“Which means that by the end of this year, India will become the only country in Asia to have two aircraft carriers. This will enhance the overall capabilities, especially the power projection capabilities, of the Indian navy,” Zhang said.
He ruled out any race for more carriers in the region but justified India’s and China’s requirement for more carriers. He cited the two countries’ vast coastlines and huge populations and said they needed to defend sea lanes far from home because of their dependence on external trade.
Zhang had earlier told the state-run China Daily that the Vikrant would increase India’s capability to patrol distant oceans and, “along with a reinforced naval strength, will further disrupt the military balance in South Asia”.
The launches of the Vikrant and the Arihant have aroused curiosity and concern in several state-run think tanks in China.
“The new indigenous carrier will further strengthen India’s naval power and also add some bargaining chips with the world’s major military vendors such as Russia,” Wang Daguang, a Beijing-based researcher of military equipment, told China Daily.
Song Xiaojun, a military commentator in Beijing, said the Vikrant uses technology from the 1980s and thus serves as an experiment for India’s navy to set technical standards for future vessels.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More news of INS Vikrant 2 : http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-chinas-take-on-ins-vikrant-and-the-missile-to-counter-it/20130813.htm and slide shows of Vikrant 2 : http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-photos-ins-vikrant-indias-first-indigenous-aircraft-carrier/20130812.htm
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thanks for the first photo of it at the sea. Does this mean its engines are now critical?

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It is conventionally powered by Diesel engines Aseem, although its engines are critical part of the ship Very Happy

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More on indigenous aircraft carrier : http://youtu.be/I7MJ9RdNhrg
Top 15 aircraft carriers of the world : http://youtu.be/9wzB1gKYXMU
British aircraft carriers , Queen Elizabeth class : http://youtu.be/_9NGLvc7eLM
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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thanks for the first photo of it at the sea. Does this mean its engines are now critical?

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It is conventionally powered by Diesel engines Aseem, although its engines are critical part of the ship Very Happy

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You're just not getting what I am trying to say. Evil or Very Mad Have engines been fitted into this ship or is it still a shell being towed by tug boats.
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shivendrashukla wrote:
Aseem wrote:
thanks for the first photo of it at the sea. Does this mean its engines are now critical?

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It is conventionally powered by Diesel engines Aseem, although its engines are critical part of the ship Very Happy

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You're just not getting what I am trying to say. Evil or Very Mad Have engines been fitted into this ship or is it still a shell being towed by tug boats.


Embarassed Oops.. Yaa, Engines have been installed but not yet made operational as yet because much of the internal wiring is still to be done. Most of the heavy equipment withing the ship has been installed.
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Launch day pictures of INS Vikrant -2 : http://www.indianexpress.com/picture-gallery/the-ins-vikrant-know-all-about-the-carrier/3204-1.html#idclsr=3204-8.html

Vikrant-class aircraft carrier ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikrant_class_aircraft_carrier
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More on INS Vikramaditya with new fittings and subsequent relaunch: http://youtu.be/-BRnsZKN2FU
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shivendrashukla wrote:
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thanks for the first photo of it at the sea. Does this mean its engines are now critical?

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It is conventionally powered by Diesel engines Aseem, although its engines are critical part of the ship Very Happy

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Gas turbine engines, not diesel. Diesel engines are highly unsuitable for large, ocean going ships.

If it were powered by diesel engines, it will need its own refinery to supply even its daily fuel requirement.

Even its gas turbine engines probably make it obsolete right from the start. Most aircraft carriers worth their salt are nuclear powered.
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More on desi carrier building program : http://youtu.be/yRnNgYvMrnk
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Vikramaditya likely to be delivered in mid-November

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Aviation trials completed on aircraft carrier on White Sea :
The Navy’s wait for its second aircraft carrier, 45,000-tonne Vikramaditya is likely to end soon as the warship has successfully completed all aviation trials in the White Sea, reports received from Russia said.
“The entire gamut of aviation trials was successfully completed on INS Vikramaditya…,” informed sources in the defence establishment here said on Tuesday.
A team of 20 officers of the Indian Navy were on board the warship — a retrofitted Russian carrier formerly named Admiral Gorshkov — for observation as fighter jets, flown by the Russian pilots, landed and took off from the deck and performed all other exercises, like touch-and-go, and flight profiles.
The sea trials were completed in July when the ship achieved its top speed of 32 knots. INS Vikramaditya would now head for the Sevmash shipyard for getting the finishing touches and a fresh coat of special paint before its delivery to the Indian Navy in mid-November, the sources said adding, “With the completion of aviation trials, all acceptance parameters… have been accomplished.”
INS Vikramaditya was to have been delivered five years ago. The extensively refurbished Soviet-era aircraft carrier had sailed out of the shipyard for its first comprehensive sea trials in the summer of 2012. MiG-29K fighter jets successfully completed take-offs and landings on its deck. The crew tested the aircraft carrier for its top speed, but it did not go beyond 30 knots because boiler insulation frayed in extreme temperatures. It took several months to fix the glitch and send the vessel for sea trials again.
The 284-metre-long and 60-metre-high Vikramaditya, which can easily carry 30 fighter jets and helicopters, is fitted with latest communication systems, protective coating, a telephone exchange, pumps, hygiene and galley equipment, lifts and many more facilities. At any given time, there will be a 2,000-strong staff on the carrier, which has an extended flight deck and a full runway with a ski jump and arrestor wires.
As India’s requirements grew and the shipyard failed to meet the schedules, the price of the retrofit soared. It is estimated that the final cost would have gone up to $2.3 billion from $947 million India paid to buy Admiral Gorshkov in 2005, before renaming it and sending it to the Russian shipyard for refitting.
The Navy now operates INS Viraat. India’s first indigenous aircraft carrier, Vikrant, is being built by the Cochin Shipyard, and it is likely to be ready for commissioning in 2017-18.






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Vikramaditya
New Delhi (PTI): Long-delayed aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya will be inducted into the navy by defence minister A.K. Antony during a visit to Russia between November 15 and 17. The carrier was formerly known as Admiral Gorskhov.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1131007/jsp/nation/story_17433064.jsp
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Warship for sale: Britain seeks buyer for old aircraft carrier

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LONDON — Fancy an aircraft carrier for Christmas?
Britain's cash-strapped military on Tuesday launched a search for buyers for its sole remaining aircraft carrier, saying it would entertain bids from companies, charities and trusts.
The ageing, battle-worn HMS Illustrious - 210 metres long and 22,000 tonnes - is one of the Royal Navy's best-known symbols. It has ferried equipment during the Gulf War and supported evacuations of British nationals from Sierra Leone over the past 32 years.
Bidders do not need to be British but the buyer has to keep all or part of the ship in Britain for heritage purposes, a Ministry of Defence spokeswoman said on Tuesday. It did not define how big a "part" of the ship must be.
The Royal Navy's treatment of Illustrious contrasts with that of the ship's sister carriers, the HMS Ark Royal and HMS Invincible, which were auctioned off in 2011 and later sold for scrap.
An industry day to discuss the proposals submitted for the ship's future use will be held next year, and a final decision made after the aircraft carrier is retired in late-2014.
The ship is one of the Invincible class built in the 1970s and 1980s. Two new Queen Elizabeth-class carriers are being built by a BAE Systems-led consortium, and the first will begin sea trials in 2017. Britain will have no aircraft carriers at sea in the meantime.
Amid major cuts in defence spending, the replacement of carriers has stirred controversy. The previous Labour government gave the green light in 2007 for the two new ships but the programme has been plagued by cost overruns and delays
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Aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya to be based in Karwar.

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The country's second aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, being commissioned in Russia on November 16, will be stationed at the Karwar Naval base in Karnataka, a top Navy officer today said.

The 44,570-tonne warship, formerly known as Admiral Gorskhov, is being commissioned into Navy by Defence Minister A K Antony after which it would be brought to Karwar, Vice-Admiral Shekhar Sinha, Flag Officer Commanding in Chief of Western Naval Command, said.
The ship will take a month to reach India.

With the commissioning of Vikramaditya, Navy's reach and ability to respond in real time to developing situations in our area of responsibility would see a quantum leap, Sinha told reporters in a brief interaction after commissioning the first ALH (Dhruv) squadron here.

There has been huge cost overalls and delay in the delivery of the ship, whose repair and refitting work began in April 2004.

The ALH will be used for coastal security and maritime patrolling besides search and rescue, he said.

India had launched its first indigenous aircraft carrier INS Vikrant in August, thus joining the elite club of nations with the capability of designing and building a warship of this size and capability.

The ship is expected to be ready for trials in 2016 and is likely to be inducted into Navy by 2018.
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'Navy to have 200 warships in 10 years'

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Indian Navy would have 200 warships in another 10 years, with three aircraft carriers in each of the three naval commands, for which orders have already been given to various docks in the country, a senior official said here today.

"Right now, we have 136 ships and we are targeting 200 in the next 10 years. All our docks in our country are full of orders," Rear Admiral Atul Kumar Jain, Flag Officer Commanding in Chief, Eastern Naval Command told reporters here.

The Navy was looking at making destroyers and frigates, he said. "Right now, we have only one Landing Platform Dock (LPD) INS Jalashwa. We are going for four more LPDs."
He said INS Vikramaditya, which India bought from Russia would be inducted into the Navy later this month.
"Once it comes, INS Vikramaditya would be under the control of INS Karwar in Karnataka. Another aircraft carrier is in the making in Kochi now. Once it is commissioned, we will position it in Visakhapatnam," he said.

Indian Navy would also engage with the Japanese Coast Guard for a joint military exercise next month off the eastern coast, he added.

Earlier, he along with Puducherry Lt Governor Virendra Khataria reviewed various demonstration activities by seven naval ships -- INS Shivalik, INS Satpura, INS Ranvijay, INS Khukri, INS Kulish, INS Khanjar and INS Jalashwa, as part of Navy Day celebrations.

Slithering by Marine Commandoes on board Navy's chetak helicopters and recently inducted surveillance aircraft P-81 were also part of the demonstration.

Over 3,000 guests, mostly family members of defence personnel, senior bureaucrats and journalists, also witnessed the four-and-a-half hour long demonstration, which happened some 25 nautical miles off Chennai coast.
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Any one have the navy comparisms in terms of approx equipment numbers of the top 5.
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