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victor2alpha · Member Joined: 08 Apr 2007 Posts: 120

I love how journalism treats aviation! I remember some press article where the recent crash of the 734 in Indonesia was put as the crash of the 747! Phew!! Do they even know.. Rolling Eyes

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ssbmat · Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 1710

I think some sort of Public Interest Litigation MUST be filed to assess the qualification of Journalists/media to report Aviation matters. These smart-ass TV journos report whatever comes to mind without even checking for facts. I feel that Air India should sue them blind.
This on-field reporter had the temerity to suggest that Airbus Industrie does not supply any spares for A310, simply because it is currently not in production!!
Or Vishnu Som, who suggested that since the Air India A310s had repeated hydraulic problems, declare the A310 design as "UNSAFE?" ..If there was ever a truckload of crap..
Its like saying, a Maruti800 has an accident, so all Maruti800s are unsafe..even after 20 years of production and over a million cars on the road.
I think some sort of moratorium should be imposed on media for reporting aviation matters. They should be compulsorily made to undergo awareness courses on aviation industry.
I know it is an issue in general as aviation is little understood by the general public, but our useless media has just another excuse to excrete its vomitload on the ignorant public.

mrniji · Member Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 55 Location: FRA

In the first instance I would say, a matter of a bad coincidence.. but Sunderbans makes me think... the only resolution: get the 777s as fast as possible and get rid of these aircraft

shivendrashukla · Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:00 am Post subject:

I am just sick of Indian Media. No doubt they do good job when needed, but more often then not they overdo things and scare the hell out of everyone. It was an emergency landing and the plane did land normally. Only while towing the nose gear collapsed.

I don't know if anyone has noticed it or not, but was the proper procedures followed to tow the already crippled aircraft away?? It may as well be the fault of the ground crews that resulted in A310 collapsing. But then this is just a possibility.

Cheers
Shivendra

sammyk · Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:30 am Post subject:

blrsea · Member Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 182

A-I glitches: Lufthansa said no to maintenance deal

karatecatman · Guest

Express ahead as usual!!! Must be a disgruntled employee out to capitalise on the issue.

Also like that line about "heads will roll". Once the union concerned serves a strike notice, the management will only end up rolling its eyes.

Express report anyway has a few goofups. Says in one emergency, the aircraft had to dump fuel over the ocean (clearly showing a lack of understanding of emergency procedures in some situations)!!!
And in another case, Air India has a 747-800!!!

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Just to add, never got the "promised" email from Air India PR. Called up again just now. The guy is too spaced out and fatigued. Two incidents and explaining what happened to the media has been just too much for them.

maut3000 · Member Joined: 14 Mar 2007 Posts: 160 Location: Mumbai

Dipanjan Mallik · Member Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 15

OMG it has been more than 24 hrs and the plane is still there blocking the main runway it has been more than 24 hrs Shocked

and still the AI engg r not upto any soution they say they r takin their time as they dont want to cause any more damage to the 20 yr old aircraft Evil or Very Mad

can someone pls explain AI that its time that they dump their 20 yr old palne this time the nose wheel broke when it was being towed nxt time it might hve to do a belly landing which they thought of doing this time and God knows what will happen to the 20 yr old plane.Its high time they shld realise and dump thier old planes and properly maintain the ones they have or in the future they will hve to fly empty planes as no passenger is going to risk their life.
Oh another thing a American Airlines(united airlines) pilot has decieded to use the full runway length of 3800 mts for his Boeing 777 so that flight has been rescheduled to evening other carriers r using the secondary runway.
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karatecatman · Guest

Airbus Industrie is on standby after Air India contacted them. Airbus team might fly in in a day or two.
They are to be a part of the DGCA probe.

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Air India releases on the "accident"

April 9, 2007
Update on AI-349 Shanghai-Bangkok-Delhi-Mumbai as on 3:30 p.m.

Passenger safety is of paramount importance to Air India. The experienced pilot of Air India ensured a smooth landing of the aircraft without causing discomfort to any passenger. In flight announcements were also being made periodically to ensure passengers are well aware of the situation.

Meanwhile, the Delhi IG Airport runway was blocked temporarily as a precautionary safety measure. The lights have been installed by the Airport authorities on the run way to demarcate the area which cannot be used. The run way is now open partially.

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Air India AI-736 Dubai – Delhi Flight had to make an emergency landing at Delhi IG airport in the afternoon due to minor error in the landing signal. The aircraft landed safely with all the passengers onboard. All 54 passengers have been disembarked. The aircraft which is wet leased from a foreign operator has been towed away for a general safety check.

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Air India flight AI-349 Shanghai-Bangkok-Delhi-Mumbai of 9th April 2007, made an emergency landing in Delhi at 6:35 a.m due to a technical snag in the locking system of the front landing gear. The aircraft landed safely with all the passengers onboard. The commander used all emergency procedures as per the safety manual and brought the aircraft to a halt on the run way. The passengers were disembarked using the step ladder. However, when the aircraft was being towed away from the runway to a remote bay for repair through a taxi track, the nose gear capsized as a result of which further operations were affected.

The 134 Mumbai bound passengers from Delhi, are being accommodated on an Indian Airlines flight, scheduled to depart at 12:30 pm from the domestic terminal. The remaining 57 passengers, already aboard AI-349, have been given the option to board the Mumbai bound Indian Airlines flight along with the other passengers, without their baggage. Their baggage would be delivered directly at the Mumbai airport.

Meanwhile Air India officials along with DGCA experts are already on the spot investigating the incident, and the aircraft is being towed to a safer place for repair by using a recovery kit.

The Air India staff at Delhi are taking all measures to assist the passengers and deeply regrets the inconvenience caused.

karatecatman · Guest

Air India is supoosed to be still affected by the loss of $10 million worth of spares in the July 7 Mumbai floods. It field an insurance claim for that.

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www.telegraphindia.com/1070410/asp/frontpage/story_7628754.asp

Bloody nose for A-I, twice in a day
- Warning rings true as two flights make emergency landings in Delhi

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But Dinesh Trivedi, member of the Parliamentary committee, blamed poor repairs and maintenance.

“They (Air-India) have been lax. Older planes, both Boeing and Airbus, are flying perfectly safely throughout the world,” the MP said.

“The spares are often bought from sources other than manufacturers. There is often a shortage of competent engineers.”

Trivedi said he was shocked when the ministry report cited a hydraulic failure caused by the failure of a plane’s brake system line at Jeddah, which he termed “not (just) dangerous but extremely so. Today’s case seems to be suspiciously similar.”

The report identified 10 “problem areas” that are often struck by hydraulic failures. These include the hydraulic pressure switch, pitch trimmer supply hose, actuator, hydraulic seals, thrust reversor actuators, nose-wheel steering hoses and the rudder supply hose.

About Airbus A 310 planes, the ministry said, “Additional inspections and modifications have been introduced. Airbus has suggested new installation procedures, which are proposed to be introduced.”

The report said some of the problems had been sorted out, but a “few areas still need improvements which have been taken up with the manufacturer/vendor”.

Trivedi said, “We cannot wait for fatalities before we act. Someone will have to explain to the paying public what is being done to make these aircraft safe.”

karatecatman · Guest

Justin Dubon, Airbus’ regional press manager has reacted from London: ‘‘Airbus is aware of this and has made contact with Air India. We will study why this happened and make recommendations.’’

the_380 · Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:53 pm Post subject:

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karatecatman · Guest

Dinesh Trivedi webpage:
http://164.100.24.167:8080/members/Website/Mainweb.asp?mpcode=548

Check under "My Biodata"

Nimish · Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject:

Aiel · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 927 Location: Bangalore

Was watching a report on one of the news channels, kept repeating shots of an AI L1011. Laughing

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the_380 · Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject:

vt-snc · Member Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Posts: 5

The reportage in the media was terrible to say the least... the passenger who came on X factor show on NDTV said that the plane (AI-349) landed on its third attempt...

fact is that the pilot got warning signals that his landing gear was not extended fully and locked... after hovering over DEL and in consultation with the ATC it was decided that the pilot made two low fly pasts over the runway so that the engineers could make a visual inspection of the landing gear. After two passes, the pilot was given the OK and he landed. The same happened in the case of the other flight (AI 736) as well.

The pilot of flight 349 (VT-EJJ) 'Beas' requested for pax disembarkation on the runway itself and while the a/c was being towed, the nose landing gear got unlocked and retracted on the junction of r/way 28-10 and t/way November. As a result the a/c tilted and fell on the ground.

The AI team reached DEL and assessed the situation and the salvage work started at around 1900 IST. It took time for the bags to be inserted below the a/c and inflated (takes 2 hrs to inflate them) and several attempts had to be made as the angle was awkward. AI staff did a pretty decent job I would say.

The other flight AI 736 (CS-TLQ) was only a suspected case, and upon landing a thorough inspection was made and then the a/c proceeded on its next flight without much problem.

shivendrashukla · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:41 am Post subject:

Boeing7xx · Member Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 477 Location: WSSS

Couldn't see the accused aircraft around the runway, but did see the american bird parked and was a little curious to see a kingfisher bird parked in the international bay. Does anyone know where is the a/c lying now? or has the nose wheel been put back in place?

shivendrashukla · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:47 am Post subject:

vt-snc · Member Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Posts: 5

[quote="Boeing7xx"]Does anyone know where is the a/c lying now? or has the nose wheel been put back in place?[/quote]

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VT-EJJ is now in the Air India maintenance facility on the south-west end of the airport (near the remote stands for int'l aircraft). The nose wheel had not broken, but had unlocked and gone back to retracted position. It is still on but has been provided support. My guess is that it'll be at least 2 weeks before the a/c gets back in the air.

karatecatman · Guest

VT-SNC
Your reporting is Smile

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If what you have said was put on on TV, there would have been no hysteria. Half the mess was caused by Mr. Dinesh Trivedi, who has even gone to the extent of calling the A310s as flying coffins.

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Prelim report from DGCA/Air India says:
The airbus had problems with its landing gear.
Preliminary investigations point towards ‘‘technical issues connected with the landing gear equipment’’.
On the 767, the problem was with the landing gear indicator on the instrument panel.

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But will all this be put forth to the public again? The damage done by the TV reporting has been enormous.

Nimish · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:35 pm Post subject:

karatecatman · Guest

Well, the AI PR who was on air at the same time as Trivedi had to actually play second fiddle. There was two times when after Trivedi spoke, the AI PR guy kept saying "As the Honourable Member of Parliament has said."
So AI's hands are tied ... answerable to its owners -- the babus and ministers and Parliamentary committees.

kam · Member Joined: 27 Jan 2007 Posts: 54 Location: CVT

looks like ATQ had a bit of a drama yesterday, A Turkmenistan plane burst a tyre on landing, anyone esle shed any more light on this. The article says it was an airbus but Turkmenistan fly Boeings and old russian TU aircraft I though

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2007/20070411/main4.htm

stealthpilot · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 2325 Location: BLR, DXB

HAWK21M · Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:50 am Post subject:

What caused the NLG collapse during Towing.
Such repairs would probably take a forthnight depending on the work scope.

As for the media talk....Get the Experts on.Else its a comedy show Smile

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iflytb20 · Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject:

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shivendrashukla · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:58 am Post subject:

Also in Media, we tend to hear about the incidents that take place at major airports like DEL, BOM, Chennai or KOL. But those incidents that take place in small airports like say Udaipur or rajkot don't get as much media attention as incidents at bigger airports. Am i correct??

Cheers
Shivendra

HAWK21M · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject:

Its a pity that the media does not get Aviation experts to talk on an Incident related to Aviation,whereas Expert opinion is sought on Cricket.
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stealthpilot · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 2325 Location: BLR, DXB

HAWK21M · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:38 am Post subject:

Let me assure you.Not all Incidents get media coverage.There are Employees that have ctcs with the Media to report on any happenings at the Airport.Then the mobile vans try to get a view from outside.
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karatecatman · Guest

Another incident.
The same 767 seems to have another technical snag, but this time AI was trying to send the passengers on the IA Dubai flight.

Media reports talk of a wet leased 737. Has to be the 767.

karatecatman · Guest

Has been clarified.
Its now the turn of the 757!!!

154 passengers have been shifted to hotels and "Air India has fed them at its own expense!!!"

Also, an IA flight seems to have ad an emergency.
Story below:

http://www.indiaenews.com/india/20070422/48397.htm

karatecatman · Guest

Praful Patel has said in Parliament that the enquiry into the nose landing gear snag has been completed.
The enquiry indicated that the telescoping drag strut of the Nose Landing Gear of the aircraft was ‘‘defective’’ and the aircraft is in Mumbai for permanent repairs as advised by the manufacturer, Airbus Industrie, Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel said during Question Hour.
Another Boeing B-767, which reported a similar snag in Delhi on the same day, had its defect rectified and went back into service, he said.
‘‘The incident is under investigation and the recommendations will be complied with as and when it is complete,’’ the Minister said.
He also said 620 additional air traffic controllers were required in various grades to meet the demand at existing and upcoming airports.
In the last two-and-a-half-year, 371 junior executive ATCs have been inducted by the Airports Authority of India and action for filling up other posts was continuing, he said.

HAWK21M · Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: