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karatecatman · Guest

Hope this is not old news!!!

NDTV Profit has just said that Naresh Goyal has said that Jet Airways is to start Shanghai, San Francisco flights both from Mumbai.

"We are designated by the (Indian) government to fly to Shanghai from Mumbai as India has very liberal bilateral civil aviation agreement with China. It would be operated from February next year," said Goyal. The airways will also start flying to San Francisco soon, says the channel.

Nimish · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:20 am Post subject:

Seems like 9W is sticking with their plan of BOM-PVG-SFO Sad

. I was hoping that they would reconsider and route everything via the hub in BRU to provide proper route synergies. But I guess 9W is OK with shooting for primarily the BOM-SFO, BOM-PVG and PVG-SFO markets alone, and not much of the BLR-SFO, HYD-SFO or MAA-SFO markets.

saurabhm_101 · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 529 Location: Mumbai

i think 9W will use the same BRU strategy with PVG.. connect many cities in India to PVG and from there have flights going to many destinations like SFO, LAX, etc.
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nalini123 · Member Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1033

malQ · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:02 pm Post subject:

Think about this:- Mumbai - Shanghai - San Francisco - Toronto - Brussels - Mumbai. PanAm 001 and 002 rides again, sort of.

But anyways, a fast flight to SFO is overdue. I have started placing people on the China International connection Delhi - Taipei - SFO, and it seems to work well. They leave Delhi at 2pm comfortable afternoon departure and arrive SFO by 6pm same date. On the way back they land in Delhi before noon.

Spiderguy252 · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:36 pm Post subject:

BOM-PVG-SFO will be a 773ER i presume?

ryder1650 · Member Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Posts: 554

SFO really needs a connection to DEL as well. I'd say aside from BLR, a lot of the tech traffic goes to the Delhi area (Gurgaon, Noida, etc.).

saurabhm_101 · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 529 Location: Mumbai

AKLDELNonstop · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1066 Location: Auckland

VABBy · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 823 Location: DEL

malQ · Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:22 am Post subject:

CI-182 dep Delhi 1410 arr Taipei 2215
CI-004 dep Taipei 2325 arr SFO 1810

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Nimish · Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject:

nalini123 · Member Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1033

15a · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 271 Location: Bangalore

The rules allow for 42 weekly flights to China from India but only 14 weekly to enjoy 5th freedom - and they cover both intermediate and onward points.
Air India is already using a few doing the Bkk-Pvg runs and therefore will claim rights on 7 of these.

Therefore 9W will only have 7 frequencies available - ie only daily flight which is Bom-Pvg-SFO. Until bilaterals are concluded, they will have to live with these rights. In order to provide multiple city access, they could fly Blr-Pvg-Blr and Del-Pvg-Del timing it with the Bom flight. Each of these cities should be able to justify atleast a 3-4x weekly services to Pvg given the growing trade and deepening links.

Jaysit · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346

I still don't understand why 9W don't route their SFO bound flights as BLR-BRU-SFO and allow for full connectivity to SFO via BLR for Bom, Del, Maa and Blr.

nalini123 · Member Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1033

ABN397 · Member Joined: 27 Dec 2006 Posts: 113 Location: India

What is the preferred routing between Delhi and San Francisco nowadays? In the late 80s it was by SQ. Also, what is the approximate RT fare nowadays?

Jaysit · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346

nalini123 · Member Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1033

Jaysit · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346

"But honestly seeing the traffic here in LA rt now , I see a much needed service first to LAX. As far as SFO is concerned IT is starting BLR - SFO direct
which will be an unnecessary hurdle for 9W with their one stops"

But IT isn't going to get approval to fly internationally until 2009 at the earliest. And until then, both AI and 9W have plenty of time to move in and consolidate their presence on the BLR-SFO sector. If you're a business traveller and have 150,000 Frequent Flyer miles on 9W or similar on AI under Star Alliance, no amount of champagne poured down your throat by Mallya's fawning staff will change your allegiance.

And, yes, I agree that markets like China, Africa and Europe need to be further explored.

nalini123 · Member Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1033

Jaysit · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346

nalini123 · Member Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1033

Nimish · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:19 pm Post subject:

To summarize the discussions above - what really makes sense is:

BOM-PVG for O&D - beating the pants down from AI's current 3 stop service on a ratty 310.

India-BRU-US West coast for the India-US West coast market with a one-stop via BRU.

I don't know why 9W is so focussed on the India-PVG-USA sectors - unless they're confident of getting sufficient 5th freedoms to run 3-4 daily services in each direction.

There's demand on the PVG-USA sectors - but it's not like there's no capacity there. And 9W has some way to go before it starts counting on the 5th freedom traffic - it still needs to consolidate on the India-USA traffic first.