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 Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 7:16 am Post subject: American planning to restart US-DEL non-stop |
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American Airlines (AA), which had pulled out of India route in early 2012 after its parent company filed for bankruptcy, is now planning to restart operations to the US very soon from here [New Delhi].
"AA merged with US Airways in 2013 and formed one of the biggest airlines in the world. The merger is now almost over and the new AA is keen to restart flights to India at the earliest. That may happen this year itself," said a source. AA used to operate a daily flight between Delhi and Chicago till 2012 when it pulled out of India. However, it is not yet known which city in the US will American fly to nonstop from Delhi in its second coming.
AA has begun preparations for the launch in right earnest. It has appointed a new general sales agent in India.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Carriers-line-up-more-India-US-direct-flights/articleshow/52230631.cms
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 11:52 am Post subject: |
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If they are going to use their new 77Ws then God help the Y pax.
3-4-3 for 16 hours non-stop will be sheer torture.
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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Appointing a GSA doesn't say much. AI routed them out on DEL-ORD. I doubt they will ever attempt anything like this again, more so, with UA and AI moving a bit closer.
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| The_Goat wrote: | If they are going to use their new 77Ws then God help the Y pax.
3-4-3 for 16 hours non-stop will be sheer torture. |
EK, EY, and now even QR do it, and they have customers lining up. |
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| EK is using it all of its US routes and many are 16 hours. Yes it is cramped and if you sitting in the middle on a full flight, it is torture. Thank goodness haven't flown EK now for the past few years, happy with the Star carriers. |
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| Jaysit wrote: | | The_Goat wrote: | If they are going to use their new 77Ws then God help the Y pax.
3-4-3 for 16 hours non-stop will be sheer torture. |
EK, EY, and now even QR do it, and they have customers lining up. |
How good (tolerable) is QR in Y, on their Doha-US long hauls ?
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| A currently unserved route IAD-DEL / JFK-BOM/ SFO-BLR would be a good option for AA to monopolise and cash in on the current demand on these sectors. |
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| 747-237 wrote: | | Jaysit wrote: | | The_Goat wrote: | If they are going to use their new 77Ws then God help the Y pax.
3-4-3 for 16 hours non-stop will be sheer torture. |
EK, EY, and now even QR do it, and they have customers lining up. |
How good (tolerable) is QR in Y, on their Doha-US long hauls ? |
Flew them in Y in 2010 on a 773, but they were 9-abreast back then, and the legroom was passable. |
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| arpitgupta wrote: | | A currently unserved route IAD-DEL / JFK-BOM/ SFO-BLR would be a good option for AA to monopolise and cash in on the current demand on these sectors. |
I don't know about IAD-DEL.
JFK-BOM is already being served by AI and the word is that the route is doing well.
As for SFO-BLR, someone can correct me but I honestly think that the route is over-estimated, notwithstanding all the IT connections between the two cities. Either this or the ME3 and LH are providing ore than adequate capacity.
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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The_Goat and Arpit: my replies are in-line:
| The_Goat wrote: | | arpitgupta wrote: | | A currently unserved route IAD-DEL / JFK-BOM/ SFO-BLR would be a good option for AA to monopolise and cash in on the current demand on these sectors. |
I don't know about IAD-DEL. |
Not a bad option for AA with the current barrel prices, but AI have the first-mover's advantage, and will have the UA links out of IAD.
| The_Goat wrote: | | JFK-BOM is already being served by AI and the word is that the route is doing well. |
From what I know, AI 101/2 was not doing that well, though AI have of late taken a very smart decision of inter-lining with B6. JetBlue offers excellent connections from JFK. Initial estimates are encouraging. AA woudl do well not to try to compete with AI here as well. AI 140/141 the direct BOM-JFK flight was one of the first to get the axe, and with good reason, too. BOM-EWR is a different kettle of fish altogether, and has been a cash cow for AI even in its darkest days.
| The_Goat wrote: | | As for SFO-BLR, someone can correct me but I honestly think that the route is over-estimated, notwithstanding all the IT connections between the two cities. Either this or the ME3 and LH are providing ore than adequate capacity. |
Sir, from what I hear, AI is doing quite well on this route, both in terms of the numbers and yields: both of which are encouraging. AI have the better aircraft on the route, and have had the first-mover's advantage. UA connections on the West coast are nice, anyway.
AA's memory of being beaten in the game by even a third-world struggling airline (at that time) is perhaps fresh, on one of AI's current best routes: the (HYD)-DEL-ORD one. Better service, better aircraft, excellent timings, decent numbers and yields even from a pure O&D perspective alone.
Cheers, Sumantra. |
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| I believe that AA was doing fine on their DEL route but the 2 772s utilized on that route could have been employed more profitably elsewhere - like the Atlantic and South America. AI doesn't have the same fealty to its shareholders as AA does. After all, the Indian taxpayer can do little in this area. |
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Jaysit wrote: | | I believe that AA was doing fine on their DEL route but the 2 772s utilized on that route could have been employed more profitably elsewhere - like the Atlantic and South America. AI doesn't have the same fealty to its shareholders as AA does. After all, the Indian taxpayer can do little in this area. |
Sanjay, wasn't that more of a sugar-coated interpretation: on a route that saw good load factors, but poor yields for AA? AA was more red than blue then: of course, AI hasn't exactly made exciting splashes on the balance sheets, more so, in early 2012, when AA made its exit, possibly for good. AI had a better plane for the route (as opposed to AA's longest route then, and that too, with the B77E opposed to AI's larger capacity and better performer B77W), a better product. In spite of good loads (which AI also consistently got), AA re-jigged their timings once in an attempt to get their act together better. With the bankruptcy dragon rearing its head up, AA did well to transfer those two B77Es to safer routes, where they traditionally did better.
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| sumantra wrote: | | Jaysit wrote: | | I believe that AA was doing fine on their DEL route but the 2 772s utilized on that route could have been employed more profitably elsewhere - like the Atlantic and South America. AI doesn't have the same fealty to its shareholders as AA does. After all, the Indian taxpayer can do little in this area. |
Sanjay, wasn't that more of a sugar-coated interpretation: on a route that saw good load factors, but poor yields for AA? AA was more red than blue then: of course, AI hasn't exactly made exciting splashes on the balance sheets, more so, in early 2012, when AA made its exit, possibly for good. AI had a better plane for the route (as opposed to AA's longest route then, and that too, with the B77E opposed to AI's larger capacity and better performer B77W), a better product. In spite of good loads (which AI also consistently got), AA re-jigged their timings once in an attempt to get their act together better. With the bankruptcy dragon rearing its head up, AA did well to transfer those two B77Es to safer routes, where they traditionally did better.
Cheers, Sumantra. |
Moreover, AA has a fantastic partner in BA. They have a solid trans-atlantic JV and as much as the India business is not part of it, BA opens up fair amount of inventory to AA to India.
AA had fantastic loads and would have kept the route, had it not been for thr above reason i.e. use of aircraft for a more profitable route. This is first hand info from a fried who worked at AA in Delhi. Also, AA have repeatedly said they would come back when the time is right.
The time is definitely right now so i wouldn't be surprised if AA do fly back on a 787-9 . This time armed with their best product and a wider code share with a domestic airline. |
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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AA will never do a flight to India for a non hub city so IAD and SFO are OUT.
AI does JFK-DEL-BOM not JFK-BOM nonstop. I don't think AA will fly to BOM. I think if they started a flight it would be ORD-DEL again or LAX-DEL. Maybe JFK-DEL. |
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iah87
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| The_Goat wrote: | | arpitgupta wrote: | | A currently unserved route IAD-DEL / JFK-BOM/ SFO-BLR would be a good option for AA to monopolise and cash in on the current demand on these sectors. |
I don't know about IAD-DEL.
JFK-BOM is already being served by AI and the word is that the route is doing well.
As for SFO-BLR, someone can correct me but I honestly think that the route is over-estimated, notwithstanding all the IT connections between the two cities. Either this or the ME3 and LH are providing ore than adequate capacity. |
Among the 3, IAD-DEL is probably the best bet, better to serve DEL where AI has a hub built up. As far as SFO-BLR, it is a long thin route, there are limited connection possibilities at BLR, just not sure about the profitability. Perhaps they can extend this to HYD or MAA (SFO-BLR-HYD/MAA) and see how it does.
JFK-BOM is a 1 stop via DEL. |
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