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Jaydeep
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:06 am    Post subject: When AI gives you a lesson! Reply with quote

Now let me put a disclaimer here. This is more of an incidence than a proper TR. It happened at the pre-dawn hours of our independence day. I was travelling to my hometown on the long weekend, on AI 349 – the flight coming from PVG, and continuing to BOM at 03.15 hours. The sole reason for choosing this particular flight at such a weird time was to try out the new and flagship (if we can say so) product on AI – the B787 Dream)liner. The flight would reach BOM at 05.25, and under normal scenario I would have left for Nasik by an immediate bus. But this time one of my good friends was leaving for the US on same night, and so I was to stay in arrivals hall till around 09.00 before he would turn up to meet me.

Now that the context setting is done, lets come to the actual day of travel Razz. Since it was a domestic leg on an international flight, it would depart from the international section. Not having experienced it, I wanted to be on a safer side. Since it was anyways going to be a sleepless night, I left home at around 23.45 and reached the airport within next 20 minutes. The check-in was smooth, though the counters were a bit crowded. I proceeded to the security with my cabin luggage & the boarding pass. But having no experience, I forgot to take the immigration clearance stamp. The security personnel scanned me and then realized that there was no stamp on my boarding pass. I got out of the security, went back to the stamping counters, got the same stamp & got cleared of the security second time. BUT, 2 checks were not going to be enough for me that night…

Feeling a bit hungry, I proceeded to the food court, exploring whatever that came in between, excited about the journey. It was 01.15 by the time I was done & started walking towards the gate. And just before I reached the gate, I realized that my boarding pass was not with me. Yes, I had lost it… where? I did not know, and it seemed just impossible to find it out at the huge T3. Still I thought of giving it a try… went all the way back to the food court, looking all around, tracing every inch I remembered to have walked on, but it was in vain. Asked a few people working at food court, again no luck. Anxious & confused – I then contacted the AI ground staff at one of the gates. The guy there told me to check with the information center. I ran back there, to get a big NO, though the lady there took my contact number and told me that she would inform in case anybody gets my pass. Some relief… Till 2.10 or so, I did not get it. I again contacted the information center, again to get a no. Too anxious now, I contacted another AI ground staff I found, and this time the guy told me that a duplicate boarding pass will be issued at the gate itself, after the staff arrives. It was a great relief. To be doubly sure, I contacted the AI call center as well, explained my situation, and the lady on call assured me that a duplicate pass will be issued at gate. Well, I could do nothing but to wait at the gate. The staff arrived at the gate at 2.30, and they started the boarding right away. I went to a person there, told him what had happened, and he asked me to wait until his manager arrives. The same person who told me that a duplicate pass will be issued at gate was also present there. The manager came at 2.45, I asked him for a duplicate boarding pass, and the answer I got was shocking: He simply said that I will not be allowed to board the flight, and advised me to get out & buy a new ticket on the next flight. On the checked in luggage – his response was that it would be removed from the flight. Well, I was helpless. After some argument & a lot of requests, he finally agreed to issue me a boarding pass. It was 2.55 by then and the boarding will be closing in next 10 minutes. And then there was a system glitch, the pass won’t be printed at the gate. Some guy went running to the counters, got my pass in next 5 minutes. Then it was my turn to run back to security, get my bag scanned again – yes, the third time on same night, for same flight, and get the security stamp. Luckily the guy had got the immigration staff already. Finally running all around, I was the last one to enter the flight at 3.10 or so. In next 10 minutes, we pushed back, and I was asleep. Too tired, I refused the meal as well.

The point here now is, yes, it was my carelessness, agreed. But why the manager behaved in such a manner? If the process was already there, issuing me the pass at my first request (may be with a warning, or even a fine) would have saved a lot of efforts for himself, the ground staff and me. And after all that, there was a risk of getting the flight delayed. What do I think of this today? – It was some kind of fun, a thrill at that time, a new learning & a new experience. What would have been the behavior of staff had it been a private carrier, say 9W? Well I don’t know. What I know is, I will never want to lose my boarding pass again, ever Very Happy

About the flight: I liked the product even with that tired mind & body, but I would say AI 101 on 777-300 ER was better, may be for 3-3-3 config. May be because I simply could not experience this one fully… :-/

All the thoughts, suggestions, experiences – welcome as always Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: When AI gives you a lesson! Reply with quote

Jaydeep, thank you for sharing this little piece with us!
Jaydeep wrote:
It happened at the pre-dawn hours of our independence day.
2014...so I guess I am not the only one on this section, still stuck up in 2014, as far as trip reports go Razz

Thank you for an extremely well-organised report.
You set the stage perfectly, with the occassion, and the planning.
You would come in on AI 349, and your friend was supposed to take a night flight to the US from BOM, which one, if I may ask, AI 191? Or was it the UA flight, or a one-stop from BOM?

The entire incident was scary, and worrisome. I do not know what would happen if I were in your shoes. The first immigration stamp is strange, I really do not know why this is done. There is some really archaic rule for Indian airports, I guess that is the reason. It is at this point that I find myself feeling rather important: I look at the passengers at Immigration, and simply rush past all this, after all, I am getting an International flight experience, while travelling on a domestic sector! I love this each time I take international connectors: the feeling is more intense than what I get when I take actual international flights, from the two places I have done so in India, BOM and DEL.

The AI manager's reaction, and behaviour was scary. The cardboard boarding pass has the baggage tag. Can an alternate boarding pass not be issued without any ado? If it could be done at the gate easily, why make such a fuss about it? Can duplicate baggage tags be issued? They can. what would have been the best way out? Perhaps heading back to the check-in, after taking permission of the security? A manager is usually there. The same check-in agent could possibly help, since he/she would recognise you. What beats me however, is why you would have to do all this, in the first place: can there not be an easier mechanism, more so, at the airline's hub?

Thanks, Sumantra.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jaydeep, you are right. AI 101 on a B777-300 is really comfortable provided desi folks don’t mess up with the toilets. I don’t know about B787 , but in very long distance routes like JFK-DEL you need a large spacious aircraft for comfortable flight.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This incident raises the question as to why cellphone boarding passes not accepted in Indian airports. I'm pretty sure most of us have a smartphone these days and in the event of loss of the boarding pass, a copy of it would always be present on the phone saving all the tension and running around.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: When AI gives you a lesson! Reply with quote

sumantra wrote:
2014...so I guess I am not the only one on this section, still stuck up in 2014, as far as trip reports go Razz

Hahaha!! I did not travel much in 2014 sir, and for whatever travelling I did, I never bothered about noting much details. It is this forum & its members who have intrigued me, and helping me honing my writing skills! Smile

sumantra wrote:

You would come in on AI 349, and your friend was supposed to take a night flight to the US from BOM, which one, if I may ask, AI 191? Or was it the UA flight, or a one-stop from BOM?

If I remember correctly, it was the UA flight he was travelling on.

sumantra wrote:

Perhaps heading back to the check-in, after taking permission of the security? A manager is usually there. The same check-in agent could possibly help, since he/she would recognise you.

Well, god forbid, but if this happens ever in future, I would prefer doing this!

sumantra wrote:

The cardboard boarding pass has the baggage tag. Can an alternate boarding pass not be issued without any ado? If it could be done at the gate easily, why make such a fuss about it? Can duplicate baggage tags be issued? They can.

harshwcam3 wrote:

This incident raises the question as to why cellphone boarding passes not accepted in Indian airports.

Jet airways does send e-boarding pass on mobile if I am not mistaken, though I have never used it. Why it is not being allowed at airports? I don't know!!

What exactly is the use of baggage tags on the boarding pass? Is it just to identify that a piece of baggage belongs to that particular person? If that is so, can it be done away with completely, by sending a serial / identification number to the customer's cell phone? It will be easy to club this with mobile boarding pass I guess...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: When AI gives you a lesson! Reply with quote

Jaydeep wrote:
Jet airways does send e-boarding pass on mobile if I am not mistaken, though I have never used it. Why it is not being allowed at airports?
Not just Jet, all (or at least, many) airlines in India have e-boarding passes.
Jaydeep wrote:
What exactly is the use of baggage tags on the boarding pass? Is it just to identify that a piece of baggage belongs to that particular person? If that is so, can it be done away with completely, by sending a serial / identification number to the customer's cell phone? It will be easy to club this with mobile boarding pass I guess...
Precisely. UA had tried this a long time back if I remember correctly, with their e-boarding pass on mobiles, in the days of ordinary (non-smart) mobile phones. This will completely obliterate the need for so many checks, and if needed, the CISF could also have codes of their own on mobile devices, which could be checked by CISF personnel, in something more sophisticated than a stamp, which is comparatively easier to duplicate. All said and done, the security at Indian airports is actually quite tight, and those CISF personnel actually do a good job.
Cheers, Sumantra.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:13 pm    Post subject: Re: When AI gives you a lesson! Reply with quote

sumantra wrote:
Not just Jet, all (or at least, many) airlines in India have e-boarding passes... with their e-boarding pass on mobiles, in the days of ordinary (non-smart) mobile phones.
Was at HYD airport on Friday, and saw a message flashing on the screens over the AI counters which said something like this: 'Now board your Jet Airways flight with a mobile boarding card & Aadhaar number - available on select flights; get rid of the printed boarding pass' - There was only one flight (probably BLR-HYD) if I remember correctly. Tried inquiring with a CISF guard who was not very friendly, and googling it did not give any useful information. Would appreciate if any of you can share some information on this.

I know that the identity of a person can be validated directly with UIDAI if one has the license to do so, along with Aadhaar number & certain preliminary details of the person OR biometrics. Would like to know what route Jet Airways is taking if indeed they are taking one of these.
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