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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:20 pm    Post subject: LH deploy A380 to DEL and BOM from Winter 2014 Reply with quote

LH has finally unveiled that they will fly the A380 to DEL and BOM from Winter 2014 .

On trying to make a dummy booking on expedia one can see the A380 flying from FRA to DEL and BOM .

Star Alliance seems to have a one up on One World and Skyteam in India with LH and SQ both flying their A380's to DEL and BOM and AI in Star .

India is going the Star way . Congrats to LH .
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So then, TG, another Star Alliance member and an A380 operator, might be in the fray of operating the Super Jumbo to DEL and MUM.

AFAS, One World alliance is concerned, I can see only BA being interested in operating A380 for its winter schedule to DEL and MUM. QF has no presence in the country.

AF of skyteam has downgraded all of its Indian flights to A330-200. So they are way out of the reckoning to operating A380s to India. Other players such as Korean Air, Asiana, MH and China Eastern are not in contention either.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So then, TG, another Star Alliance member and an A380 operator, might be in the fray of operating the Super Jumbo to DEL and MUM.

AFAS, One World alliance is concerned, I can see only BA being interested in operating A380 for its winter schedule to DEL and MUM. QF has no presence in the country.

AF of skyteam has downgraded all of its Indian flights to A330-200. So they are way out of the reckoning to operating A380s to India. Other players such as Korean Air, Asiana, MH and China Eastern are not in contention either.


I see LH fly the 747-8 to DEL and BOM in the Summer and the A380 in the Winter . The major difference being the Y capacity .

The A380 has 420 seats in Y and those can only fill up both ways in Winter .

TG are loosing traffic network wide and are in trouble . I doubt they will fly the Super Jumbo to India as SQ has taken the lead over all SE Asian carriers .

For the time being they are re working their India strategy and switching flights from Thai smile back to Thai and vice versa.

AF will operate a 777-200 to DEL in the Winter , BOM is a 330 and so is BLR . So they are a relavibely small operator compared to the likes of BA , LH , EK , etc

BA has a lot of other routes where folk shell out big bucks for F and J seats where they could fly their A380 to .

More over BA will fly the A380 to places where flights can be clubbed to get hold of the precious LHR slot to start something else . Like they did with LAX . It went from three daily on a mix of 777 and 747 to two daily A380 .

BA needs both dailies to DEL and BOM hence don't think India will see the BA A380 .

EK given a choice will fly a A380 everywhere but are limited by bilateral . Unless bigger bags of cash are sent over to the relevant folk and they give in and allow more seats , i don't see any more EK 380 's as they too wouldn't want to club flights .
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great move from LH - will certainly help them with them getting their latest product over to both BOM and DEL.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do people like the 380? Other than if it has lie flat J while an other aircraft would have angle J, I feel that A380 are sort of a nightmare for Y class. When I flew the plane on AF boarding CDG. the que to board was huge! Even the line for J was too long for my blood.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do people like the 380? Other than if it has lie flat J while an other aircraft would have angle J, I feel that A380 are sort of a nightmare for Y class. When I flew the plane on AF boarding CDG. the que to board was huge! Even the line for J was too long for my blood.


There is a notable difference in Cabin noise and the A380 is a lot quieter .

However with LH 380 configured to carry upwards of 400 Y passengers , these flights are going to be a different ball game altogether .

Indians and flights to India are very demanding and busy . God bless the LH crew who will operate these flights . Clearly not their most favourite trip i can tell .
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is great that LH is finally decided to fly 380 to DEL. They will get good loads/yields as DEL-FRA is a popular route. Not sure about BOM, the traffic in lean season, or mid week does not appear to sustain even a 747, may be just an anecdotal evidence, but the 4 times I flew, the economy class was 25 to 60% full (even business was nearly to half empty). Perhaps they can make it up on high season loads/yields.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is great that LH is finally decided to fly 380 to DEL. They will get good loads/yields as DEL-FRA is a popular route. Not sure about BOM, the traffic in lean season, or mid week does not appear to sustain even a 747, may be just an anecdotal evidence, but the 4 times I flew, the economy class was 25 to 60% full (even business was nearly to half empty). Perhaps they can make it up on high season loads/yields.


BOM has lost its catchment area as BLR , HYD and MAA have more direct flights and new airports over a period of time . BOM no doubt is weaker than DEL when it comes to filling the back end of the plane .

DEL is way stronger as all of North India and from Rajasthan in the West to Bihar in the East use DEL to fly abroad . Moreover DEL has the tourist traffic which BOM lacks .

If you look at Loads for any airline which flies both routes , DEL would have higher loads anyday .

Saying that i feel both DEL and BOM will switch to the 747-8 in the Summer and back to the A380 in the Winter .
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However with LH 380 configured to carry upwards of 400 Y passengers , these flights are going to be a different ball game altogether .

Indians and flights to India are very demanding and busy . God bless the LH crew who will operate these flights . Clearly not their most favourite trip i can tell .


Well - it's a very localized crew that operates the LH India sectors, and they seem to have no issues handling a 748 full of pax, so they'll certainly be able to handle a 380 load full of pax as well. At least on the LH BLR-FRA sector, there's hardly any troublesome pax to be seen - perhaps LH's reputation keeps the riff-raff away Twisted Evil ?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BOM has lost its catchment area as BLR , HYD and MAA have more direct flights and new airports over a period of time . BOM no doubt is weaker than DEL when it comes to filling the back end of the plane .

DEL is way stronger as all of North India and from Rajasthan in the West to Bihar in the East use DEL to fly abroad . Moreover DEL has the tourist traffic which BOM lacks .

If you look at Loads for any airline which flies both routes , DEL would have higher loads anyday .


This I agree with, and another additional reason is the poor capacity for expansion available at BOM. Certainly airlines would have liked to base their ops at BOM, but realized there's just no space for their expansion plans...
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However with LH 380 configured to carry upwards of 400 Y passengers , these flights are going to be a different ball game altogether .

Indians and flights to India are very demanding and busy . God bless the LH crew who will operate these flights . Clearly not their most favourite trip i can tell .


Well - it's a very localized crew that operates the LH India sectors, and they seem to have no issues handling a 748 full of pax, so they'll certainly be able to handle a 380 load full of pax as well. At least on the LH BLR-FRA sector, there's hardly any troublesome pax to be seen - perhaps LH's reputation keeps the riff-raff away Twisted Evil ?


LH have crew based only in DEL in India . All trip rotations for the International Cabin crew begin from DEL .

There is obviously the night stop DEL - FRA - DEL and the DEL - MUC - DEL .

For all other trips crew position from DEL on AI / 9W on confirmed seats really early in the morning to get to BOM / MAA / BLR where they join the Mainline German crew in their hotels .

They get to rest all day there and then check out with the German Crew at night . Their trip ends in these respective cities and then they position back to DEL .

The most challenging flights are to and from DEL and that is for any airline . This is coming from a friend who is a LH Flight Attendant based in India . So the A380 on FRA - DEL will be crazy in the Y cabin .

My friend could write a book on crazy incidents and no surprises most of them were on DEL flights .

But as i look at it , they have a job and they will do it . Simple .
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LH have crew based only in DEL in India . All trip rotations for the International Cabin crew begin from DEL .
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For all other trips crew position from DEL on AI / 9W on confirmed seats really early in the morning to get to BOM / MAA / BLR where they join the Mainline German crew in their hotels .

They get to rest all day there and then check out with the German Crew at night . Their trip ends in these respective cities and then they position back to DEL


Hmm - this is interesting - did not know this. Will chat with some of the Indian FA on a future LH flight and find out more if I can. I wonder if this really makes sense - on the one hand you have 1 crew base in India (DEL) and keep things centralized, on the other hand you have the extra cost of flying the crew from DEL to BOM/BLR/ MAA etc - plus the extra hotel there.

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The most challenging flights are to and from DEL and that is for any airline . This is coming from a friend who is a LH Flight Attendant based in India . So the A380 on FRA - DEL will be crazy in the Y cabin .

My friend could write a book on crazy incidents and no surprises most of them were on DEL flights .


Can't say too much about the DEL flights as I'm normally headed to BLR. But will certainly be interesting to hear some of these stories - are they the standard "give me booze, I want to get drunk quick" types or something else?
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LH have crew based only in DEL in India . All trip rotations for the International Cabin crew begin from DEL .
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For all other trips crew position from DEL on AI / 9W on confirmed seats really early in the morning to get to BOM / MAA / BLR where they join the Mainline German crew in their hotels .

They get to rest all day there and then check out with the German Crew at night . Their trip ends in these respective cities and then they position back to DEL


Hmm - this is interesting - did not know this. Will chat with some of the Indian FA on a future LH flight and find out more if I can. I wonder if this really makes sense - on the one hand you have 1 crew base in India (DEL) and keep things centralized, on the other hand you have the extra cost of flying the crew from DEL to BOM/BLR/ MAA etc - plus the extra hotel there.

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The most challenging flights are to and from DEL and that is for any airline . This is coming from a friend who is a LH Flight Attendant based in India . So the A380 on FRA - DEL will be crazy in the Y cabin .

My friend could write a book on crazy incidents and no surprises most of them were on DEL flights .


Can't say too much about the DEL flights as I'm normally headed to BLR. But will certainly be interesting to hear some of these stories - are they the standard "give me booze, I want to get drunk quick" types or something else?


LH is the only one that does this and have crew position all over India .

VS has crew bases in DEL and BOM . BA in DEL , BOM , BLR and MAA . LX in DEL and BOM . I don't think any other foreign airline has crew based in India .

As far as flights to DEL are concerned , folk basically want their moneys worth and more . All requests need to be addressed instantly as patience is something unheard of . Please's and Thank yous are unheard off . And with folks who travel J , most of them are so precious that its not even funny .

I am not generalizing here but I am North Indian myself and when i see how some fellow North Indians behave on a plane i feel us lot can take etiquette classes from folk down south .
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As far as flights to DEL are concerned , folk basically want their moneys worth and more . All requests need to be addressed instantly as patience is something unheard of . Please's and Thank yous are unheard off . And with folks who travel J , most of them are so precious that its not even funny .

I am not generalizing here but I am North Indian myself and when i see how some fellow North Indians behave on a plane i feel us lot can take etiquette classes from folk down south .


Hmm - being a north Indian myself, I find the current "Delhi" attitude quite avoidable in most parts, and quite in line with what you've described above. Sad! Would this explain why most of the FAs hired seem to be Punjabi girls/boys - they can easily relate to this culture?
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As far as flights to DEL are concerned , folk basically want their moneys worth and more . All requests need to be addressed instantly as patience is something unheard of . Please's and Thank yous are unheard off . And with folks who travel J , most of them are so precious that its not even funny .

I am not generalizing here but I am North Indian myself and when i see how some fellow North Indians behave on a plane i feel us lot can take etiquette classes from folk down south .


Hmm - being a north Indian myself, I find the current "Delhi" attitude quite avoidable in most parts, and quite in line with what you've described above. Sad! Would this explain why most of the FAs hired seem to be Punjabi girls/boys - they can easily relate to this culture?


Well for foreign airlines they would lile local crew who can speak the local language . Apart from Hindi , punjabi would be the next widest spoken in Delhi hence the Punjabi PA's .

As far as understanding their own folk goes . No one deserves to be treated like the local Dhaba Helper which the crew do get treated like at times . So i would think all crew find that repulsive irrespective of what community they belong to .

Saying that DEL fills up planes to anywhere and hence very important to every airline . So the crew have to put with it .
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Well - it's a very localized crew that operates the LH India sectors, and they seem to have no issues handling a 748 full of pax, so they'll certainly be able to handle a 380 load full of pax as well. At least on the LH BLR-FRA sector, there's hardly any troublesome pax to be seen - perhaps LH's reputation keeps the riff-raff away Twisted Evil ?

LH have crew based only in DEL in India . All trip rotations for the International Cabin crew begin from DEL .

There is obviously the night stop DEL - FRA - DEL and the DEL - MUC - DEL.

But as i look at it , they have a job and they will do it . Simple .


Is the localization of LH crews a recent phenomenon and has anything to do with LH's ad campaign of making the flying experience have Indian feel to it?
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Well - it's a very localized crew that operates the LH India sectors, and they seem to have no issues handling a 748 full of pax, so they'll certainly be able to handle a 380 load full of pax as well. At least on the LH BLR-FRA sector, there's hardly any troublesome pax to be seen - perhaps LH's reputation keeps the riff-raff away Twisted Evil ?

LH have crew based only in DEL in India . All trip rotations for the International Cabin crew begin from DEL .

There is obviously the night stop DEL - FRA - DEL and the DEL - MUC - DEL.

But as i look at it , they have a job and they will do it . Simple .


Is the localization of LH crews a recent phenomenon and has anything to do with LH's ad campaign of making the flying experience have Indian feel to it?


LH have had local crew forever like both VS and BA .

The new champagne on TV and online has just highlighted that .
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On my trips to BLR on BA/AF/LH, it has been pretty tame flights throughout, at least around my seat. Haven't seen unreasonable requests or even rude tone being used. Please just seem to eat and go to sleep. BA also has Indian FAs on board, and is the only airline which also makes announcements in Kannada. Smile
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is the only airline which also makes announcements in Kannada. Smile


SQ and KA also have pre-recorded announcements in Kannada on their BLR flights.

Of all the flights that come into BLR,probably KA and TG are the only ones without any crew of Indian origin/nationality.
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is the only airline which also makes announcements in Kannada. Smile


SQ and KA also have pre-recorded announcements in Kannada on their BLR flights.

Of all the flights that come into BLR,probably KA and TG are the only ones without any crew of Indian origin/nationality.


I had last flown SQ around 7-8 years back, and I don't recall them making announcements in Kannada. Good to know that they do
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blrsea wrote:
On my trips to BLR on BA/AF/LH, it has been pretty tame flights throughout, at least around my seat. Haven't seen unreasonable requests or even rude tone being used. Please just seem to eat and go to sleep. BA also has Indian FAs on board, and is the only airline which also makes announcements in Kannada. Smile


Hence my post that us North Indians could take etiquette classes off our brethren in South India on how to behave when in flight .

Try flying to DEL on either of these mentioned carriers . You will be left shocked as to how different the in flight experience is .
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Emirates and Lufthansa face potential issues with A380 deployment to Mumbai in 2014/2015
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Emirates and Lufthansa could reportedly face issues deploying A380 aircraft to Mumbai International Airport in winter 2014/2015, with issues in securing the airport's only parking bay for the aircraft (Business Standard, 09-Sep-2014). Mumbai International Airport Ltd has reportedly not taken a decision yet on allocating the bay for the winter 2014/2015 schedule. The issue has arisen because schedules of Lufthansa and Emirates services at Mumbai are separated by only five minutes. Currently, Singapore Airlines operates A380 service to Delhi and Mumbai and Emirates deploys A380 aircraft to Mumbai. Lufthansa also wants to introduce A380 services to both Mumbai and Delhi and is awaiting government approvals. Lufthansa previously commented: "We are pleased to say that in view of the growing demand we plan to introduce the A380 in Mumbai and Delhi subject to government approval. We have applied for permission and are hopeful of getting government approvals soon". Emirates said it is discussing the issue with the airport while also working on alternate plans, with the carrier stating: "Emirates will continue to operate its iconic A380 aircraft on the Dubai-Mumbai route for the remainder of the summer 2014 timetable as planned, as flight numbers EK500/EK501. Details of the airline's winter timetable which is due to commence on 26 October are still being finalised and further information will be shared later this month".
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justbala wrote:
blrsea wrote:
is the only airline which also makes announcements in Kannada. Smile


SQ and KA also have pre-recorded announcements in Kannada on their BLR flights.

Of all the flights that come into BLR,probably KA and TG are the only ones without any crew of Indian origin/nationality.


The one time I flew EK on DXB-BLR, there were no Indian crew in economy. I saw one FA in the business class section.

And EK routinely does not have Indian crew on DXB-HYD/BOM flights either.
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iah87 wrote:
justbala wrote:
blrsea wrote:
is the only airline which also makes announcements in Kannada. Smile


SQ and KA also have pre-recorded announcements in Kannada on their BLR flights.

Of all the flights that come into BLR,probably KA and TG are the only ones without any crew of Indian origin/nationality.


The one time I flew EK on DXB-BLR, there were no Indian crew in economy. I saw one FA in the business class section.

And EK routinely does not have Indian crew on DXB-HYD/BOM flights either.


I meant employed by them. CX has a whole bunch of Indian cabin crew (mostly ex-9W), but KA is almost entirely HKG/PRC.
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Never seen any Indian FAs between MAA and HKG.

And for the most part, the service on Cathay flights that I have been have been mediocre at best.

Their knowledge of English is also limited, I was expecting it to be higher given that HKG was once an English colony.

Anyway they are cheaper compared to Singapore Airlines, and I suppose I get what I pay for!
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Lufthansa hopeful of deploying A380 to Mumbai in winter 2015
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Lufthansa director (South Asia) Wolfgang Will said the carrier, which currently operates daily A380 service on Delhi-Frankfurt sector, will deploy A380 aircraft to Mumbai from winter 2015 if the second A380 stand is ready at the airport (TNN, 10-Dec-2014). He explained: "We wanted to fly there from this winter only but were not getting the desired slot due to infrastructure constraints at Mumbai airport. Now, they (Mumbai airport) has told us that the second A-380 stand will be ready by next summer and we should be launching the A-380 there next winter".
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