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After hearing all the sob-stories about mummy-papa-nana-nani etc. - now we have to hear this call. What exactly is the INC thinking? Are they even thinking at all?
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Perhaps the BJP could demand sharia be implemented in all poll-bound districts so people have to see fewer of the Congress's symbols too.  |
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We should all know better than to react to loony noises made by loonies from all of the loony parties.
When it comes down to doing something concrete, they're all going to be the same (except the mandir brigade will bring more mandir drama that we just don't need, in addition to the looniness and incompetence they share in common with the INC and the rest).
But I suppose that's okay, so long as we have an unrepentant mass murderer as Prime Minister, right?
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I'm no fan of the Congress (or any other political party), but this article has to be a spoof of some kind, surely?
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| Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: "Con"gress gets really desperate! |
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By the same token, all Congress leaders should either bandage their hands (or worse) until the elections are over !!
They can literally sense the ground slipping beneath their feet. Latest opinion polls suggest that BJP will retain MP, Chattisgarh, and also wrest back Rajasthan. Not good at all for INC .
My point- cant this party ever think of any credible alternative to their First family ?? Surely there ARE other leaders who are simply holding back because of this syophancy ?? |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| Spiderguy252 wrote: | | I'm no fan of the Congress (or any other political party), but this article has to be a spoof of some kind, surely? |
Hah, you wish!!!
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As an average Indian, I'm sulking every minute at these political scenes from all the political parties.
This is a wake up call for all the Congress lovers (outside this forum), that minorities rights have all been protected for 6 decades, only to get their votes and not really for their economic upliftment.
Not to withstand this, we are now seeing a Third Front being formed on the same political line, except that it will form a government under the Congress leadership. Because it won't get any majority and all its regional party differences will make them go separate ways.
In the end, Corruption will continue to flourish at the cost of saving this Secularism.
At the prevailing situation, I'm a Politician Hater and cut across all political parties.
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| jasepl wrote: |
But I suppose that's okay, so long as we have an unrepentant mass murderer as Prime Minister, right? |
I have been reading this line, mentioning Modi as a Mass Murderer, throughout all of your posts related to political topics.
My question to you is:
1.) If he was a mass murderer, then why he was re-elected as Gujarat CM twice?
2.) Secondly, do you reckon, he only took a weapon and killed people by himself?
By asking this, I'm in no way disputing the fact that, Modi could have averted 2002 riots and brought law and order much earlier. But the way you have characterized him as a 'Mass Murderer' makes me feel jittery that in a democracy also we can have an elected leader like this.
By repeatedly mentioning this, I feel you are undermining the Gujarat voters and feel like the Election Commission has no power in monitoring fair election.
Moreover, it sounds like as if we will have a Egypt like situation in this country. If Modi is elected as PM, then it will upset many people like you in this country and they might go to Indian Tahiri square to stage a protest. Like Morsi, Modi will not be accepted by the world community and in India, even though as an democratically elected leader.
Alas, whats happening to human civilization? We are not getting evolved into a matured beings that want others to live together peacefully.
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| G-BYGB wrote: | | 1.) If he was a mass murderer, then why he was re-elected as Gujarat CM twice? |
What a complete non sequitur.
For one thing, you clearly have far greater faith in the good sense of the Indian electorate than I do! 
You do realise this country has 18 sitting MPs with murder cases to their name and 24 sitting MPs with attempted murder ones? That Shibu Soren, Mayawati and Laloo Yadav have been CMs here? That Muslims comprise 9% of Gujarat's population while Hindus comprise 89% [I have no dog in this fight either way but this suggests to me that it might not be hard for a Hindu supremacist to get elected]?
This is a very irritating fiction to which politicians themselves cling - the idea that re-election means that all is forgiven, or even proves there were no charges in the first place. I'm afraid that job is for the courts [not that they do it either, but that's a different matter!], not the electorate. |
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| Jeh wrote: | | G-BYGB wrote: | | 1.) If he was a mass murderer, then why he was re-elected as Gujarat CM twice? |
What a complete non sequitur.
For one thing, you clearly have far greater faith in the good sense of the Indian electorate than I do!
This is a very irritating fiction to which politicians themselves cling - the idea that re-election means that all is forgiven, or even proves there were no charges in the first place. I'm afraid that job is for the courts [not that they do it either, but that's a different matter!], not the electorate. |
If you find that statement a complete non sequitur, then can you explain why it has taken so long for the court to find Modi guilty of crime against humanity, if he has indeed done it.
Well, it is not humorous or amusing to see Indian electorates still voting for controversial candidates like Modi or the others that you have mentioned. In fact, it is not good for India, if they vote for a candidate on a sentimental value that he or she represents only their community. Electorates should only look at voting for a candidate who represents people from all the sections of society and the one who is not corrupted.
Even if there are majority of Hindus in Gujarat, there are still many of them who are secular. I'm sure they can defy Modi's hostile presence and vote for some other candidate. People can easily distinguish between the good, bad and the ugly. They have constitutional protection to vote for their preferred candidates.
AFAS courts are concerned, you know very well it takes ages for them to give a judgement even to a Open and Shut case. If an electorate has to wait for the court verdict to decide not to vote for people like Modi, Soren, Mayawati or others, then Crime and Corruption will not get stopped in this country.
In short, to me, it is only the electorate that can decide the fate of a leader by voting against him or her and not the court. Period.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| G-BYGB wrote: |
2.) Secondly, do you reckon, he only took a weapon and killed people by himself?
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Do u reckon Hitler actually took a weapon and killed Jews/Gypsies/Gays by himself?
If no, does that acquit him of all crimes against humanity? |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| G-BYGB wrote: |
I have been reading this line, mentioning Modi as a Mass Murderer, throughout all of your posts related to political topics.
My question to you is:
1.) If he was a mass murderer, then why he was re-elected as Gujarat CM twice?
2.) Secondly, do you reckon, he only took a weapon and killed people by himself?
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1.) Because the Gujratis had no other viable alternative? At least Modi was business-friendly and they could be sure that electing him was good for 'apno dhandho' (that was possibly the main reason).
2.) Agree with justbala on this, he doesn't have to take a weapon and do it himself. Being the leader of the state, he chose to stand by and watch people being butchered instead of intervening. That makes him guilty of manslaughter, if not of murder.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:51 am Post subject: |
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| G-BYGB wrote: | | Well, it is not humorous or amusing to see Indian electorates still voting for controversial candidates like Modi or the others that you have mentioned. In fact, it is not good for India, if they vote for a candidate on a sentimental value that he or she represents only their community. Electorates should only look at voting for a candidate who represents people from all the sections of society and the one who is not corrupted.... In short, to me, it is only the electorate that can decide the fate of a leader by voting against him or her and not the court. Period. |
No. The electorate comes later and it is secret ballot anyway.
The greater crime here is that of a national party nominating someone with Modi's history to be their choice of Prime Minister of the country.
Even if we assume he had no role to play in what went down, at best he failed to do the most important thing he was required to do as Chief Minister : ensure the safety of all citizens, regardless of their age, religion, politics or anything else. At worst, calculated genocide. That's about the two extremes of his performance.
We've never before had someone with that kind of a past being projected as Prime Minister. It's a shame.
Like I said all the way at the beginning, 1.5 billion people in our country and this man is the best they could come up with?
| Jeh wrote: | | G-BYGB wrote: | | 1.) If he was a mass murderer, then why he was re-elected as Gujarat CM twice? |
What a complete non sequitur. |
Amen.
| The_Goat wrote: | | Being the leader of the state, he chose to stand by and watch people being butchered instead of intervening. That makes him guilty of manslaughter, if not of murder. |
Yep. Whatever may have or have not happened, he wasn't a bureaucrat or a mantri; it was an unforgivable failure for a Chief Minister.
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| justbala wrote: |
Do u reckon Hitler actually took a weapon and killed Jews/Gypsies/Gays by himself?
If no, does that acquit him of all crimes against humanity? |
Before Hitler became the ruthless dictator, he was part of the German army and he took few people's life on his own terms and post his army stint also he would have killed people by himself. Sadly, this particular aspect is not recorded in history but no one can dispute the fact that Hitler killed people by himself.
Hitler despised human beings in general, be it Jews, the former Soviets or the Christians. He was an Atheist, a psychopath and the worst human being to have ever set foot on this planet.
So to equate Modi to Hitler is really dangerous. Modi doesn't hate any community. Even if he is a controversial leader, I don't think he will be as worst as Hitler was. If you say that before Hitler became the German leader, he was liking Jews so much, is totally wrong. Hitler wanted to just 'Rule The World'.
I would like to hear from the forum members in the same tone, criticize few Congress leaders who were directly involved in the Sikh riots. That also saw many innocents die. I feel the whole media world and people are biased in criticizing only Modi for the 2002 riots and not other leaders who are also equally guilty for previous riots.
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| G-BYGB wrote: | | I would like to hear from the forum members in the same tone, criticize few Congress leaders who were directly involved in the Sikh riots. That also saw many innocents die. I feel the whole media world and people are biased in criticizing only Modi for the 2002 riots and not other leaders who are also equally guilty for previous riots. |
There's no shortage of criticism of anybody, of any party.
But, as I said several times already, no one else - however guilty they may be - has ever before been projected as a national party's candidate for Prime Minister. No one else has had such a big, glaring black mark whilst holding high office and then ignoring said mark to seek the highest office.
To repeat, "at best he failed to do the most important thing he was required to do as Chief Minister : ensure the safety of all citizens, regardless of their age, religion, politics or anything else. At worst, calculated genocide. That's about the two extremes of his performance."
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This nasty lovefest for a murderous creep just because he's relatively business friendly and has created a few highways here and there in Gujarat is particularly galling.
It reminds me of those people back in the 1970s who were praising Indira Gandhi heavenwards during the Emergency just because the trains ran on time, even as she imprisoned her political opponents left, right and center on the flimsiest of grounds.
I understand that given the transgressions and corruption and non-performance of the Congress, Modi is seen as a viable alternative (once again, the "trains running on time" great white hope), but it's a sad testament to the state of democracy in the world's largest democracy (or whatever India is touted to be now). |
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But, as I said several times already, no one else - however guilty they may be - has ever before been projected as a national party's candidate for Prime Minister. No one else has had such a big, glaring black mark whilst holding high office and then ignoring said mark to seek the highest office.
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I would like to take that one step further, no politicians who are guilty of any riots should remain as an MP even, let alone being a PM candidate. Unfortunately, the BJP party president has misread the actual mood in the country and just because there are few cheers going on for Modi, he had chosen him.
The real expectation that I can sense from the general public is to elect a government with good governance and no communal violence. Right now, we have 2 parties of both extremes. You cannot give consideration to either one of them over the other and certainly not give up on the issue of corruption.
On a side note, this so called 'Bharat Ratna' award has become a joke. It sounds like more of Congress Ratna award. The legendary singer Lata Mangeshkar happened to have voiced her support to Modi and as usual some of the Mumbai Congress leaders, not able to digest it, went out of their mind to suggest stripping that title from her.
This is another worst kind of Democracy in India that any prominent voices in India, if they say something which is unacceptable to Congress, then they are criticized or ignored. In a democracy, whether right or wrong, aren't one supposed to have rights to exercise their opinions.
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I think few people have already made up their mind as to who is going to be the PM.
Today, in the Wankhede Stadium, certain section of the crowd from a particular stand were not just chanting the name of "Sachin Sachin". But they were also chanting "Modi Modi" when they saw Rahul Gandhi there. That did not go well with other sections of the crowd in the same stand. They were quite.
Here is the link to the video on YouTube. It is really funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGjYQpMU9g 
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| G-BYGB wrote: | | AFAS courts are concerned, you know very well it takes ages for them to give a judgement even to a Open and Shut case. |
But .... then why did you say
| G-BYGB wrote: | | If you find that statement a complete non sequitur, then can you explain why it has taken so long for the court to find Modi guilty of crime against humanity, if he has indeed done it. |
Eeerrr .... so long? If they did anything in 20 years we would be happy. I say that in jest of course, but surely that cant surprise anyone. We have thousands of corrupt babus out there. Yeddy/Mayawati/countless more havnt been convicted, but is there any doubt concerning their guilt? Same with Modi.
I agree it's not good for India and it says a lot about our voters. The fact our courts havnt come to any conclusion or that people constantly get re-elected isn't proof of innocence, it's a sad reflection on our democracy.
All our 'pro Modi' + 'Gujarat is awesome because of him' fans talk about business and lack of corruption. People are quick to blame the PM for all the corruption that took place under his watch - and rightly so! Even if he didn't do it, he was responsible for it. Modi may not have given any orders during the riots (he probably did IMO) but he sure as hell is responsible for those deaths. And now people want him to be PM because supposedly he's not financially corrupt .... sad state of affairs indeed.
| G-BYGB wrote: | | In short, to me, it is only the electorate that can decide the fate of a leader by voting against him or her and not the court. Period. |
Interesting thought, and in a way I can see that. However I don't believe it's valid because of the very nature (failure) of our democracy- that is an informed electorate.
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