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avbuff
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 Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:45 pm Post subject: Spicejet Launches Delhi - Guangzhou |
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Effective 08FEB13 Spicejet will start 4 weekly flights between Delhi And Guangzhou
SG 81 DEL - CAN 1720 0035+1 Tu, Th, Sa, Su
SG 82 CAN - DEL 0155 0525 Mo, We, Fr, Su
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Karan69
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: Spicejet Launches Delhi - Guangzhou |
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| avbuff wrote: | Effective 08FEB13 Spicejet will start 4 weekly flights between Delhi And Guangzhou
SG 81 DEL - CAN 1720 0035+1 Tu, Th, Sa, Su
SG 82 CAN - DEL 0155 0525 Mo, We, Fr, Su
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Good route , but what's with the timings, what sort of arrival time is that
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Excellent! Along with Kabul, who'd have thought SpiceJet would be the ones from amongst the bacchha party to break the London-New York-Bangkok-Dubai obsession!
As for the timings, not the most delightful at the Chinese end, but brilliant at the India end. Which, after all, is what an airline based in India ought to be looking at. Unlike the monkey-see-monkey-do AI, Jet and Kingfisher.
I wish them all the best. And, between them and Indigo, I have a feeling we will see it can be done.
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Nice 4x weekly flight - should be able to make money just on the cargo alone!
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| jasepl wrote: | Excellent! Along with Kabul, who'd have thought SpiceJet would be the ones from amongst the bacchha party to break the London-New York-Bangkok-Dubai obsession!
As for the timings, not the most delightful at the Chinese end, but brilliant at the India end. Which, after all, is what an airline based in India ought to be looking at. Unlike the monkey-see-monkey-do AI, Jet and Kingfisher.
I wish them all the best. And, between them and Indigo, I have a feeling we will see it can be done. |
Agreed. I wouldn't have thought that spicejet would the ones pushing the envelope here. Good luck to them.
Vietnam and Indonesia are two other markets that I have visited recently for work and I am shocked at the non existent air links with India. But these are probably not doable with a narrow body. |
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| sshank wrote: | | Vietnam and Indonesia are two other markets that I have visited recently for work and I am shocked at the non existent air links with India. But these are probably not doable with a narrow body. |
Even Burma now. The whole world and their mother couldn't be in Burma fast enough, but none of our airlines seem to want a piece of the action.
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Those timings are horrible. Having spent almost two months in that region of China this year, I know I would never want to arrive that late. Lots of people use Guangzhou to get to Shenzhen. If I landed that late, there is no way to easily get to Shenzhen or use most public transportation in Guangzhou.
My guess is the Chinese govt refused to give them decent timings, just like 9W on the SFO-PVG-BOM flights.
BTW, airlines-india is blocked by China's internet firewall. |
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| ryder1650 wrote: | | BTW, airlines-india is blocked by China's internet firewall. |
With the number of control freaks and the general sense of paranoia there, it doesn't surprise me. 
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ameya
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I think the timings are good from Indian perspective
BOM / PNQ / HYD / CCU / BLR / MAA/ AMD would connect bothways with a 2-6hour interval
Good luck to SG on this. Will be a tough route to crack, as you start flying longer, the capacity to handle losses just gets lesser |
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Karan69
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| ryder1650 wrote: | Those timings are horrible. Having spent almost two months in that region of China this year, I know I would never want to arrive that late. Lots of people use Guangzhou to get to Shenzhen. If I landed that late, there is no way to easily get to Shenzhen or use most public transportation in Guangzhou.
My guess is the Chinese govt refused to give them decent timings, just like 9W on the SFO-PVG-BOM flights.
BTW, airlines-india is blocked by China's internet firewall. |
I completely agree with you on the timings bit, though in most cases to go to Shenzhen one can even fly into HKG as its less than an hour from tsim Tsa tsui station
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| jasepl wrote: | | sshank wrote: | | Vietnam and Indonesia are two other markets that I have visited recently for work and I am shocked at the non existent air links with India. But these are probably not doable with a narrow body. |
Even Burma now. The whole world and their mother couldn't be in Burma fast enough, but none of our airlines seem to want a piece of the action. |
AI still flies to Yangon and is the only airline to do it. Agree that Indonesia has the potential (not sure about Vietnam), they can probably do 320 or 739 to MAA. Some one like Jet or AI should be looking at this. |
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| iah87 wrote: | | AI still flies to Yangon and is the only airline to do it. Agree that Indonesia has the potential (not sure about Vietnam), they can probably do 320 or 739 to MAA. Some one like Jet or AI should be looking at this. |
From memory, AI used to have an A310 plying on a BOM-MAA-SIN-CGK milk run not too long ago - early 2000s, perhaps.
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| Karan69 wrote: | | ryder1650 wrote: | Those timings are horrible. Having spent almost two months in that region of China this year, I know I would never want to arrive that late. Lots of people use Guangzhou to get to Shenzhen. If I landed that late, there is no way to easily get to Shenzhen or use most public transportation in Guangzhou.
My guess is the Chinese govt refused to give them decent timings, just like 9W on the SFO-PVG-BOM flights.
BTW, airlines-india is blocked by China's internet firewall. |
I completely agree with you on the timings bit, though in most cases to go to Shenzhen one can even fly into HKG as its less than an hour from tsim Tsa tsui station
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Yup, I always used HKG as well and took the ferry or drove to Shenzhen. The biggest downside, though, is that if you take the train or drive, you have to go through 2 border crossings. First at HKG and then again at the Mainland China border. The border crossing itself would take me 45-60 minutes in addition to getting from HKG to the border and then to my hotel in Shenzhen. Plus, immigration lines at HKG airport always take at minimum 20 minutes for foreigners. I've never tried the train, but it really only makes sense if you are already in Kowloon and not at the airport. The lines at the Louhu and Futian border crossings can be very long as well.
If you fly into CAN, though, you go through China immigration at the airport and can get to Shenzhen without any further hassle. Also, most of the manufacturing there is on the side of the city closer to Guangzhou. CAN is also located close to the Dongguan manufacturing center. A daytime arrival at CAN would have been great (somewhere between 5AM and 8PM). |
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ryder1650
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| Spiderguy252 wrote: | | ryder1650 wrote: | | BTW, airlines-india is blocked by China's internet firewall. |
With the number of control freaks and the general sense of paranoia there, it doesn't surprise me. |
I think it has something to do with the bizhat.com URL that this site uses. Airliners.net is not blocked. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:39 am Post subject: |
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for a 6 am arrival into CAN, the flight will have to depart DEL at 0100 ish, thats the point, good timings at the India are okay, the arrival at the destination is what matters the most,
2330-0630 DEL-CAN
0800-1125 CAN-DEL
1130 arrival will take care of all domestic connections too with in the same 2-6 hour time bracket.
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ryder1650
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| me111993 wrote: | for a 6 am arrival into CAN, the flight will have to depart DEL at 0100 ish, thats the point, good timings at the India are okay, the arrival at the destination is what matters the most,
2330-0630 DEL-CAN
0800-1125 CAN-DEL
1130 arrival will take care of all domestic connections too with in the same 2-6 hour time bracket. |
Plus, India based international fliers are used to the late night departures. The airport and associated infrastructure can handle it easily. Airport stores and restaurants are open, taxis are easy to find, etc. For airports with limited late night flights, these basic services may not be available for passengers. Now, I don't know too much about CAN ops, so maybe they have lots of late night flights and have the support system in place to provide the same level of service to those customers.
China Southern flies this route and their timings work pretty well
CAN-DEL - 1830-2200
DEL-CAN - 2320-0630 |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| ryder1650 wrote: |
Plus, India based international fliers are used to the late night departures. |
Just the right ingredient for the bundbay resident to throw a hissy fit!! No flights after bundbay bedtime!! |
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[quote="justbala"] | ryder1650 wrote: |
Plus, India based international fliers are used to the late night departures. |
And I wonder when that's going to stop? It's not a favourable option at all, heading to the airport at 2 and 3 in the "morning".
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jasepl
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| ryder1650 wrote: | | Those timings are horrible. Having spent almost two months in that region of China this year, I know I would never want to arrive that late. Lots of people use Guangzhou to get to Shenzhen. If I landed that late, there is no way to easily get to Shenzhen or use most public transportation in Guangzhou. |
Why would people do that? Wouldn't it be a million times easier and quicker to fly to Hong Kong and take the pre-immigration ferry?
Unless CAN flights are much cheaper?
| Spiderguy252 wrote: | | And I wonder when that's going to stop? It's not a favourable option at all, heading to the airport at 2 and 3 in the "morning". |
My husband beats me senseless every day. But I'm used to it, so it's okay. He's my husband anyway. How can I say anything against him, even if I know in my heart of hearts that he's wrong.
Besides, my neighbour's husband beats on her too. If it's good for the goose...
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:17 am Post subject: |
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| jasepl wrote: | | ryder1650 wrote: | | Those timings are horrible. Having spent almost two months in that region of China this year, I know I would never want to arrive that late. Lots of people use Guangzhou to get to Shenzhen. If I landed that late, there is no way to easily get to Shenzhen or use most public transportation in Guangzhou. |
Why would people do that? Wouldn't it be a million times easier and quicker to fly to Hong Kong and take the pre-immigration ferry?
Unless CAN flights are much cheaper?
| Spiderguy252 wrote: | | And I wonder when that's going to stop? It's not a favourable option at all, heading to the airport at 2 and 3 in the "morning". |
My husband beats me senseless every day. But I'm used to it, so it's okay. He's my husband anyway. How can I say anything against him, even if I know in my heart of hearts that he's wrong.
Besides, my neighbour's husband beats on her too. If it's good for the goose... |
The ferry is OK if you are staying near the ferry terminal and have no checked bags. If you have a checked bag you almost always cannot take the next departing ferry as they have to go to baggage claim and grab your bag for you. This means you have to wait at least 1 hour for the ferry. Add this to transportation time once you reach the Shekou ferry terminal, it can still take a long time. If you are going to the outer manufacturing areas of Shenzhen or Dongguan, CAN can sometimes work better. |
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