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If this was involving AI, the brainless media would have demanded resignation of some senior member and take moral responsibility for putting hundreds of lives in peril and would have raise huge doubts on the safety of AI.  
But then, coming back to AF incident, the media are saying that the tool was left somewhere inside the engine case. If such is the case, was some repair work done on the engine at BOM that warranted the opening of the engine casing. |
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Does AF have its own maintenance at BOM, or does AI do it for them?
Either way, that was one callous mistake.
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What was the aircraft type in question?
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| vivekman wrote: | | Couldn't find any articles online, except this: |
| Spiderguy252 wrote: | | What was the aircraft type in question? |
Incident: Air France A332 at Mumbai on Mar 11th 2013, engine surge
An Air France Airbus A330-200, registration F-GZCO performing flight AF-217 from Mumbai (India) to Paris Charles de Gaulle (France) with 198 passengers, was in the initial climb out of Mumbai's runway 27 when an engine (CF6) surged prompting the crew to reduce the engine to idle thrust, stop the climb at 4000 feet and return to Mumbai for a safe landing on runway 27 about 30 minutes after departure.
The airline confirmed an engine surge prompted the crew to idle the engine and return to Mumbai stating that such an event is not exceedingly rare. The passengers were taken to hotels until a replacement aircraft arrives.
There are claims in India that maintenance personnel had forgotten a tool inside the engine which caused extensive damage to the engine. |
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Optimus.Prime
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If it is a surge as is claimed to be, then it is pretty rare. Modern Jet engines seldom surge, but it gets very violent when they do. I'm sure an IFSD followed getting into Single-Engine Ops, which isn't that severe on the 330.
HAWK21M, awaiting your analysis.
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| 747-237 wrote: | | vivekman wrote: | | Couldn't find any articles online, except this: |
| Spiderguy252 wrote: | | What was the aircraft type in question? |
Incident: Air France A332 at Mumbai on Mar 11th 2013, engine surge
An Air France Airbus A330-200, registration F-GZCO performing flight AF-217 from Mumbai (India) to Paris Charles de Gaulle (France) with 198 passengers, was in the initial climb out of Mumbai's runway 27 when an engine (CF6) surged prompting the crew to reduce the engine to idle thrust, stop the climb at 4000 feet and return to Mumbai for a safe landing on runway 27 about 30 minutes after departure.
The airline confirmed an engine surge prompted the crew to idle the engine and return to Mumbai stating that such an event is not exceedingly rare. The passengers were taken to hotels until a replacement aircraft arrives.
There are claims in India that maintenance personnel had forgotten a tool inside the engine which caused extensive damage to the engine. |
Well first its Air France.
Then its an A330-200.
Then its a night out departure over the Arabian Sea.
Then an IFSD.
Enough to send some tremors in the passengers minds. |
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jasepl
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198 passengers on a 205-seat plane?
That's pretty damn good for mid-March.
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The_Goat
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| jasepl wrote: | 198 passengers on a 205-seat plane?
That's pretty damn good for mid-March. |
Isn't a A332 a downgrade, given that they normally operate a 772ER on the route ?
and flights to and from India always seem packed to the rafters, irrespective of the time of the year.
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| The_Goat wrote: | | Isn't a A332 a downgrade, given that they normally operate a 772ER on the route ? |
It is in terms of capacity. But a vast improvement in quality. I hate those vile 777s with a passion.
Still, the changes are not unexpected from AF. They've sent every aircraft type in their fleet to Bombay over the last few years (332, 343, 767, 772 and 77W) in every configuration (2-class, 3-class, 4-class, no Premiere, yes Premiere, no PV, yes PV...). Only the 747 and 380 haven't made an appearance.
| The_Goat wrote: | | and flights to and from India always seem packed to the rafters, irrespective of the time of the year. |
True. Which highlights a little bit AF's comment about struggling in India. Seems it's more their doing than the market, which is just fine.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/French-team-arrives-to-fix-snag-hit-plane/articleshow/18942113.cms
A team of French technicians arrived in Mumbai on Tuesday to repair the Air France aircraft that encountered an engine failure on Monday. The team will also probe the presence of a chisel-like tool in the engine cowling after the flight made an emergency landing. Mumbai airport officials said the team was called to get an air-worthiness certificate, which Indian agencies cannot provide.
On inspection after landing, a maintenance team found a chisel-like tool in the engine hood. The tool seemed to have interfered with the engine and caused a failure.
Airport officials said the damage is such that it cannot be repaired by local engineers.
"The agreement with Indian agencies is for minor maintenance and repair, so a team had to be summoned from France. Also the extent of damage is major," said an airport source.
Officials said the DGCA is not authorized to give a clearance to the plane as the twin-engine aircraft, an Airbus A-300, is registered in France and will need a sanction from the French authorities. While the passengers, who were put up in a hotel after the incident, flew out on another aircraft on Tuesday morning, the snag-ridden aircraft is likely to stay grounded in Mumbai till it gets a clearance. |
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| 747-237 wrote: | http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/French-team-arrives-to-fix-snag-hit-plane/articleshow/18942113.cms
A team of French technicians arrived in Mumbai on Tuesday to repair the Air France aircraft that encountered an engine failure on Monday. The team will also probe the presence of a chisel-like tool in the engine cowling after the flight made an emergency landing. Mumbai airport officials said the team was called to get an air-worthiness certificate, which Indian agencies cannot provide.
On inspection after landing, a maintenance team found a chisel-like tool in the engine hood. The tool seemed to have interfered with the engine and caused a failure.
Airport officials said the damage is such that it cannot be repaired by local engineers.
"The agreement with Indian agencies is for minor maintenance and repair, so a team had to be summoned from France. Also the extent of damage is major," said an airport source.
Officials said the DGCA is not authorized to give a clearance to the plane as the twin-engine aircraft, an Airbus A-300, is registered in France and will need a sanction from the French authorities. While the passengers, who were put up in a hotel after the incident, flew out on another aircraft on Tuesday morning, the snag-ridden aircraft is likely to stay grounded in Mumbai till it gets a clearance. |
When it said plane type as A-300 I was sure this is trash of india ! |
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