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Spiderguy252 Member
Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 4259 Location: Indian Ocean
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:51 am Post subject: Short 9W Economy on KWI-BOM (3 pics) |
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Airline: Jet Airways
Aircraft: Boeing 737-800
Registration: VT-JBS
First flight date: 7th October, 2010
Load in J: 100%
Load in Y: 100%
Scheduled Departure Time: 9:10 PM
Actual Departure Time: 9:10 PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 3:15 AM
Actual Arrival Time: 3:15 AM
Flight Time: 3 hours, 35 minutes
Check-in: Full flight apparent from queues, unfortunately there were only three desks open = 2 Y and 1 J. The agent handling J periodically lifted pax from the Y line when he was running free. Nice.
Pre-Boarding: Watched the concourse for a bit. Caught the new UA livery on a 772 departing to BAH, amidst the usual KUs and J9s.
Boarding: Began at 8:35 PM. Pretty organized and no sign of ILBST, possibly because of the rare lack of labour traffic. Crew warm and welcoming at the door.
Aircraft: Classy plane, near brand new. Wall panels and luggage bins were white to the nth degree, not mustard/off-white. All IFE screens appeared to be functioning as passengers were settling in. Roof lighting was crystal clear as well.
Seat: Rexine leather seat. Good enough for 3:35's worth, but DEL-SIN or the like may not be the most comfortable ride. Decent legroom as well, but lower than KU's 77E or 343 - it's competition on this route.
Departure: Take-off as scheduled after queuing behind an SV 744.
Meal: Dinner served right after we reached cruising altitude, and was pretty edible for the most part. That's all you ask from airline food anyway. But the crew took a long time to clear the trays, which was unfortunate as most of us wanted to sleep.
IFE: Crew turned off lights after service and distributed blankets to all the Y pax. Bright IFE screens only source of lighting in the cabin. Watched nothing, fell asleep with my iPod plugged in. Woke up later and turned on the airshow as we began descent into India. Flight path was linear - a straight line from KWI to BOM. No ducks or turns.
Crew: Was asleep for the most part, but the 2 female FAs were pretty attentive to the call buttons. Also helped a bloke with his immigration form right before landing.
Arrival: Touchdown on time, but were unfortunately made to park at a remote stand next to an AI 77W. Here's where things got a bit messy - apparently the J pax were to deboard from the front and Y from the rear door, but no bus turned up at the back. So all the Y pax jostled to get to the forward doors instead. Pretty chilly morning at BOM.
Post-arrival: Had an onward connection to MAA, but thanks to a cyclone (Dec 31) I had asked them to change the routing to BLR instead. At KWI I was asked to collect the boarding card to BLR at BOM. However, they couldn't put me on any 9W BLR flight for whatever reason and booked me on an AI flight instead, to BLR. AI 603 I think. That's where the real fun of the new year began, but I'll save all of that for another TR.
Scores:
Punctuality: 10/10
Seat: 9/10
Catering: 8/10
Aircraft Condition: 10/10
Entertainment: 10/10
Crew: 6/10
Total: 53/60 = 88% = Four stars out of Five.
I dunno what's not the deal with 9W. After several routine flights with them over the past couple of years (BLR, BOM, MAA, KWI) I can't seem to find any terrible fault in their service. Yeah, they may not nail it but are far better than the alternatives on the sectors in which they operate. I haven't posted on here much recently, but I have been reading and jasepl's posts make this airline sound like a Biman clone!
Cheers.
Varun _________________ Yeah. |
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me111993 Member
Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:28 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the report Varun! You've hit every point that is needed to be covered!
KWI/RUH are perhaps the worst flights the flight crew can possibly get, 3:30 hour + flights and immediate turn-arounds. That too in the middle of the night.
Sure there're various facets where in they can improve, but overall they still come-off pretty good. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze.
- Greg House |
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sumantra Member
Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Varun, thanks for posting another very nice trip report (precise, concise, to-the-point). I like the structured way in which you put this report. You seem to have had a nice experience with Jet airways - there does not seem to be anything negative, save the late clearing of the meal trays. As Rishul explains, this routing is a bit hard on the crew, and I guess it shows. You have left us asking for more. First, a trip report coming from someone who was fairly regular in posting his experiences. Second, you have left a mystery for us in the end - an Air India BOM-BLR journey, which you say is `where the real fun begins'. Yes, we are eagerly waiting for this trip report!
Cheers, Sumantra. |
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Spiderguy252 Member
Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 4259 Location: Indian Ocean
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:52 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the responses. Yeah, I'll type up the next report when I run into the weekend or something.
Spoiler Alert: It involves the aircraft's tire bursting. _________________ Yeah. |
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Nimish Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Great report - thanks for posting. Also do post the transfer experience/ process at BOM - hopefully it's improved over the years. _________________ We miss you Nalini! |
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sumantra Member
Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Spiderguy252 wrote: | Yeah, I'll type up the next report when I run into the weekend or something.
Spoiler Alert: It involves the aircraft's tire bursting. |
No, Captain R Varun did not deploy the spoliers.
Instead, he pulled on the joystick,
and raised everyone's hopes to FL35.
Weekend Alert: We are still waiting
Cheers, Sumantra. |
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Spiderguy252 Member
Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 4259 Location: Indian Ocean
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:41 am Post subject: |
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Was busier than I thought over the past couple. In a few more days, for certain. _________________ Yeah. |
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jasepl Member
Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Nice to-the-point report. Thanks for sharing. Unsurprisingly, the JetChildren will find a way to eff something up. They're very talented like that.
Firstly, you're comparing with Kuwait Airways. Do we really want to go down that path? Of course, knowing Jet, they will point to Ryanair (eg: but even Ryanair does...), and find a way to come out on top there.
And even the guarantee of coming out on top when it comes to Ryanair is increasingly precarious.
Secondly, going KWI-BOM will be very different from going BOM-KWI. When you do the return, you will indeed find that the allegedly most beautiful airline (ever) is almost exactly as hopeless as Al Yemda on the ground. The only difference is that BOM is Jet's home base, not Al Yemda's. Given how the on-ground experience at departure is the single most stressful part of travel, that's quite a failing.
Thirdly, it's Y. All airlines are more or less the same there, except for the kit. _________________ four years free of jetya punti! |
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Spiderguy252 Member
Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 4259 Location: Indian Ocean
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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jasepl wrote: | Secondly, going KWI-BOM will be very different from going BOM-KWI. When you do the return, you will indeed find that the allegedly most beautiful airline (ever) is almost exactly as hopeless as Al Yemda on the ground. The only difference is that BOM is Jet's home base, not Al Yemda's. Given how the on-ground experience at departure is the single most stressful part of travel, that's quite a failing. |
That's quite true, though it applies to all airlines flying out of BOM. Which means there is nothing the airlines can do about it - especially stuff like aircraft parked at remote stands and not docked to aerobridges, congestion related delays and the like. True, BOM being 9W's home base means this will impact 9W more than anyone else obviously, but to iterate, these are issues outside any airline's control. _________________ Yeah. |
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jasepl Member
Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Not quite. You feel the difference more if your're an elite or flying premium.
There are plenty of things within an airline's control, that Jet doesn't bother with:A lounge, a proper premium check-in, personal escorts (not always available), car service from home to airport, personal car between terminal and plane, dedicated bus and so forth.
Whilst it's true that Jet being the largest operator at Sahar means they will be impacted more, the converse is also true, that it is perfectly reasonable to expect more out of them than airlines with only two flights or from those for who Sahar is just one spoke amongst many.
I personally only care about the queue and hassle reducing measures, but the fact remains that they fall short in basically every single area when it comes to the ground service at their home base.
Jet barely do the bare minimum, as if BOM were an obscure, unimportant spoke in their network. _________________ four years free of jetya punti! |
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sri_bom Member
Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 2365 Location: Singapore
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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Varun thanks for taking time to post this report. I recently flew on Jet Airways to Dubai from Bombay and will post that report soon. One thing is for sure that I did not get the feeling that I was flying a world class airlne.
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Spiderguy252 Member
Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 4259 Location: Indian Ocean
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:33 am Post subject: |
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sri_bom wrote: | Varun thanks for taking time to post this report. I recently flew on Jet Airways to Dubai from Bombay and will post that report soon. One thing is for sure that I did not get the feeling that I was flying a world class airlne.
Sri_Bom |
Cheers, I'll be looking forward to reading that. _________________ Yeah. |
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justbala Member
Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 1898 Location: Bangalore
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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jasepl wrote: | Whine Whine Bitch Bitch Waah Waah Waah |
The departure experience from BOM is equally horrendous no matter which airline u fly - i dont see how the immigration and security treat u better i u were flying ur Amreekan Masters Airline rather than Jet.
Regarding Aerobridges, the lack of sufficient aerobridges affects their operations and its more evident for 9W since they are the biggest operators our of BOM.
Frankly other than airports in US and maybe SIN and HKG, I have not been to any airport in the world where u are assured of an aerobridge. And other than obsessive compulsive nitpickers, others dont seem to have a problem with it. Everytime I have flown BA , i have have had to use the bus at LHR, but that doesnt make BA the "most horrible airline in the world".
Oh plus, unlike the elite bourgeois class, us lowly mortals have to be satisfied with travel in cattle class and unlike the view from ur elevated perch, there is a lot ( a real lot) of difference in flying Y with the likes of SQ, 9W,TG, EK, QR v/s DL,AA, UA, AF, BA, LH, SV,KU... |
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jasepl Member
Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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sri_bom wrote: | One thing is for sure that I did not get the feeling that I was flying a world class airlne. |
Well, that's because they're not a world class airline.
They used to be not too long ago. But the Jet of today barely resembles the Jet of the past.
Hence: Mais ou sont les neiges d'antan! _________________ four years free of jetya punti! |
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sumantra Member
Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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justbala wrote: | Frankly other than airports in US and maybe SIN and HKG, I have not been to any airport in the world where u are assured of an aerobridge |
As an aside...
I have been on a bus gate at HKG: both arrival, and departure! We got the Air China flight at a remote stand. It was a wonderful experience - till then, I had never seen HKG from the tarmac. This was last year. I am yet to key in the entire trip report, which includes some exciting spotting at HKG. DEL T3 is another terminal where unless one is flying a CRJ7 or an ATR, one is almost assured of getting an aerobridge. Exceptions are there - once, we docked at the International terminal AI 701 CCU-DEL, and were bused to the domestic terminal. On the other hand, I think the aerobridges (at least, some of them) are capable of serving small aircraft, too - I have seen one extended and lowered to a very short height above the ground. While I have not seen aerobridge operations for CRJ7s and ATRs in DEL, I do not know if they are ruled out, completely.
Cheers, Sumantra. |
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jasepl Member
Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="sumantra"As an aside...[/quote]
Oh it happens everywhere; and that was never my point.
What I had said (and still say) is that what is not important to one person may be important to another. Also, what won't affect you when done occasionally, may cause you to re-think when it's something you have to do over and over again. Especially when there is a perfectly good alternative.
For example, there are people who started picking IC or IT over the others when flying domestic out of BOM only because the security queues in the IC terminal were usually much shorter. Not Indigo's fault, or Jet's, but it is what it is.
For me, the catering or the alliance or the hemline have zero impact on my decision to choose one airline over another. I prioritise convenience of schedules and ground facilities over everything else. Different folk have different priorities.
So, by itself, the lack of a boarding bridge may not affect anyone's decision, but couple that with some other factors and it can help weigh the decision in a particular direction. _________________ four years free of jetya punti! |
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justbala Member
Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 1898 Location: Bangalore
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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jasepl wrote: |
For me, the catering or the alliance or the hemline have zero impact on my decision to choose one airline over another. I prioritise convenience of schedules and ground facilities over everything else. Different folk have different priorities.
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And a very prominent preference to everything phoren!!
I dont see how u can predict availability of aerobridges at BOM - i have been bussed to/from - 9W, OS, LX and TK at BOM - not sure if they give u a small aerobridge icon next to the flight when u book ur tickets. |
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iah87 Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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One thing about the trip report: 100% loads. So Jet is doing something right, inspite of 1 stop competition from EK, EY, QR.... |
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abhijith16 Member
Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Posts: 1575 Location: DOH/IXE/MEL
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Short 9W Economy on KWI-BOM (3 pics) |
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Spiderguy252 wrote: |
Registration: VT-JBS
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Lucky guy, I wish I was flyingt that instead of VT-JGS. I had a horrifying 2 hours and 55 minutes ordeal that I do not want to relive. Just thinking about it makes me shudder. They have slipped way down, down to HELL! _________________ <a><img></a> |
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Spiderguy252 Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: Short 9W Economy on KWI-BOM (3 pics) |
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abhijith16 wrote: | Spiderguy252 wrote: |
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Lucky guy, I wish I was flyingt that instead of VT-JGS. I had a horrifying 2 hours and 55 minutes ordeal that I do not want to relive. Just thinking about it makes me shudder. They have slipped way down, down to HELL! |
Can you post a TR? I think I'm having it really lucky with 9W around here, on all my flights. _________________ Yeah. |
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abhijith16 Member
Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Posts: 1575 Location: DOH/IXE/MEL
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Short 9W Economy on KWI-BOM (3 pics) |
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Spiderguy252 wrote: | abhijith16 wrote: | Spiderguy252 wrote: |
Registration: VT-JBS
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Lucky guy, I wish I was flyingt that instead of VT-JGS. I had a horrifying 2 hours and 55 minutes ordeal that I do not want to relive. Just thinking about it makes me shudder. They have slipped way down, down to HELL! |
Can you post a TR? I think I'm having it really lucky with 9W around here, on all my flights. |
Let me see. I keep thinking of writing one, but I get nervous of whipping my camera out every two minutes... _________________ <a><img></a> |
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