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ssbmat · Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 763

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/MNS-chief-Raj-Thackeray-dictates-SBI-to-recruit-Marathis/articleshow/5230295.cms

The real crux of the matter is why people from outside Maharashtra feel compelled to come there. It is obvious that there arent enough good opportunities in states like UP and Bihar. If parties like MNS or SS really want to have an agenda, they should raise this particular question.

star*gold · Member Joined: 29 Jan 2009 Posts: 103

Yeah, the status quo seems to be penalizing states that have "lower" populations, and better governance.

Whether we like it or not, India is not truly a homogeneous country. If there is a large influx into certain regions, there is bound to be some friction, sooner, if not, later.

And people moving to other parts should take it a point to learn the language of the state that they moving into. They move because the state offers more opportunities than their home states. So why not take the effort to learn the language of the state that is providing them a livelihood?

ssbmat · Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 763

The other part of the problem is that Marathi people are familiar with Hindi (atleast because of Bollywood) and hence people from other states are comfortable in settling here, thanks to the accomodating nature (culturally speaking) of the general populace.
Try talking hindi to a rickshaw driver or a housemaid in TN, for example.

At best, you will face a blank stare..at worst, they will glare at you and snap back "only Tamil" in English Smile

And I dont blame them. Why should they adjust to an alien language..
And lets not raise this "English is an alien language " thing here. Like it or not, English is now part of our culture.

star*gold · Member Joined: 29 Jan 2009 Posts: 103

I am from Chennai, and I can speak either Tamil or English. Another blank stare guaranteed if you were to speak to me in Hindi Smile

Both our day and night watchmen are from Bihar, and it is a struggle communicating-both for them and for us. We don't have a problem hiring them, but now that they have decided to come here, they need to take the effort to learn what the rest of us talk-atleast the basics. Smile

Aside from the language, what's disturbing is deep differences even in immunization rates between regions, that Tamil Nadu is planning a special program targeting children of migrant workers.

http://www.thehindu.com/2009/10/12/stories/2009101254540500.htm

"Special polio shot plan to cover migrant children

Staff Reporter

— Photo:R. Ashok

TIRUCHI: A two-month-long special polio immunisation programme will be launched in Tamil Nadu to cover children belonging to migrant population. The State Health Department is working out a strategy for the implementation of this special drive, said the Director of Public Health, S. Elango.

Speaking at a workshop-cum-planning meet on ‘Polio virus eradication’ organised jointly by the India National Polio Plus Committee, Directorate of Public Health and Rotary International here on Sunday, Dr. Elango said that almost all districts in the State accounted for a good strength of migrant population of road workers, masons and artisans.

Their nomadic lifestyle caused difficulties in covering their children during the annual pulse polio programme.

With the aim of achieving total eradication of polio in the State, a special immunisation programme would be launched during November and December. Special mobile teams would be formed for administering the drops to the children.

The State’s feat in ensuring pulse polio immunisation programme was highly impressive both in terms of quality and quantity, he said.

On the Centrally sponsored pentavalent vaccine programme to be launched in the State next year, Dr. Elango said that a total of 11.5 lakh children below the age of one year would be protected from diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, Hepatitis-B and Hib.

Dr. Elango said that the incidence of polio had been reported in a few northern States, particularly Bihar and U.P., and lauded the efforts being taken by the Rotary International to fight against the incidence of the disease.

He advised the medical officers, members of voluntary organisations and paramedical personnel not to be complacent with the achievement of the pulse polio immunisation in the State. Although the coverage was highly appreciable, even a fall by one per cent would mean non-inclusion of 60,000 children, he added.

The Joint Director (Immunisation), G. K. Durairaj, said that the spread of rumours during the campaign in December last year had resulted in the non-coverage of 1.5 lakh children, forcing the Health Department to take alternate measures later.

The Member of India National Polio Plus Committee, New Delhi, D. Varada Reddy, in his presidential address, said that the interface was being organised to sensitise the office-bearers of Rotary Clubs in Rotary District 3000 to evolve an action plan for the pulse polio programme planned for January 10 and February 7 next year. Strict vigil would be kept against the spread of rumours.

The Dean of K.A.P. Viswanatham Government Medical College, A. Balasubramanian, appreciated the efforts taken by the Rotary Clubs in eradicating polio. The District Governor, Rotary District 3000, A. Purushothaman and the convenor, P.V. Parthasarathy, were among those who spoke."

The_Goat · Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:51 pm Post subject:

Isn't it an interesting point as to why only people from UP and Bihar are targetted? There are hoardes of tamilians, malayalis, tulus, kannadigas, bengalis, and people from other states in Mumbai, all of whom compete with Marathis for jobs. Why don't we see the likes of MNS targetting them?
Don't get me wrong, but I think that the UPites and Biharis suffer from a bad reputation, and that has a lot to do with how most of them behave. A good number of them seem to be assertive, loud and are a bit too willing to pick up a fight. I think some introspection is required on their part.

Again, I have nothing against UPites or Biharis or anyone else for that matter. I have had excellent friends from there and most of them actually agree with me.
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flightgearpilot · Member Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 587 Location: BLR

Can you identify the kannadigas in a Mumbai train? When my to-be wife from Mumbai announced that she would be marrying a kannadiga, it seems more than half her train friends said they were kannadigas; and she had always thought they were locals.. Smile

Apart from the stereotyping (both positive or negative), I think in several sense, what is happening in India is what is happening in an increasingly globalizing world out there. And that is the reason why I believe that solutions to much of the problems that the world in general is going to face -- post globalization -- can be found in India.

I just hope that these regional chavunism does not go to absurd levels. It is good for an immigrant population to learn to assimilate with the local culture. However, it is also impractical to *require* them to do so -- especially if we have a large population of migrant workers (and I'm not just talking about construction labourers here), moving all around the country.

We should learn to see languages only as a means of communication -- not as elements of cultural pride. The words are not significant -- the meaning behind them is. Whether I say, "there is a tsunami headed our way" or "ek bada sa leher hamare oar aa raha hain" -- it does not matter; you'd better be running towards higher ground. If you could not understand either the English or the Hindi sentence, then it is good sense to just follow what others are doing. Smile

tayaramecanici · Member Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Posts: 447

himmat01 · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 904 Location: DEL

@tayara,
You have hit the nail on the head. If it had not been for the Parsis, Gujjus, Brits and Marwaris, Bombay would have remained an obscure Koli village. As for the so called accomodating nature of the local populace, Gujjus, Marwaris and Parsis have been successful every where and not only in Maharashtra.

Maharashtra is not better governed than either UP or Bihar. You just have to travel 100 kms from Bombay and see the rural areas. They are no better than any village in Haryana, UP, Bihar or West Bengal.

Maharashtra accounts for maximum tax revenues simply because the major corporates are head quartered in Bombay.

flightgearpilot · Member Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 587 Location: BLR

^^^ Gosh, never seen this kind of an insensitive stereotyping of a population before. No wonder, there is so much resentment against such "outsiders" in Mumbai.

How is brushing an entire population as "lazy" different from what the locals say about "outsiders" or from say racism?

ssbmat · Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 763

tayaramecanici · Member Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Posts: 447

Spiderguy252 · Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:38 pm Post subject:

On the issue of thackeray vs Sachin, this is an interesting read:

http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/bloggers_chastise_thackeray.php

Just grit your teeth and bear it. In a couple of years, these thackerays and karunanidhis (did I spell it right?) are going to be dead and gone. With their sunglasses. Goodbye.

himmat01 · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 904 Location: DEL

What have the likes of BT and RT done for Maharashtra? The answer is nothing.

I sometimes feel sorry for Udhav. He seems to be a nice guy in a bad company. I have a feeling that he will quit politics and concentrate on photography, his passion after the old man's gone.

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ssbmat · Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 763

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ssbmat · Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 763

Tayara, if you must have noticed, I did not even mention Tilak and Ambedkar in my initial list of luminaries from Maharashtra.

In a sense, Tilak and Ambedkar need not even be mentioned explicitly..if we as Indians do not have these great names engraved in our collective social conscience, then we are a failure as a nation.

sri_bom · Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 861 Location: Singapore

[u]Here is an interesting article that appeared in DNA:[/u]

Maharashtrian youth have moved on; Raj Thackeray hasn't

There was a time when Parsi businessmen and industrialists from Mumbai preferred to employ the 'Marathi manoos' in their offices, for he was hard-working, sincere and honest. He had respect for scholarship, was kind to subordinates and obedient to employers.

His work ethics earned him esteem from those around him. To be Marathi was like an additional qualification in Mumbai and white collar jobs were waiting for migrants from the hinterland of Maharashtra.

Then Mumbai became the dreamland for all Indians and its commercial success created a wide gap between the success and failure, wealth and poverty. Politicians
always have a field day in such situations and so was the case in Mumbai. Extreme successes bred disrespect for law; extreme failures gave birth to discontent. This combined to increase social tensions.

The reaction of the diehard Marathi Mumbaikars to all what was thus happening in the city was one of anger and dissatisfaction, for they had not anticipated a challenge to their future. They had shed blood for the inclusion of Mumbai in

Maharashtra as the state capital after the reorganisation of the bilingual state of Bombay in 1960.

But their dreams turned sour after the initial euphoria of the creation of Samyukta Maharashtra was over. The continuous influx of people from every nook and
corner of the country, made them uneasy and they felt that their hold on the city was being threatened with every wave of migration.

This is proved by how quickly Marathi Mumbaikars unite even at the slightest suggestion of Mumbai being separated from Maharashtra.

Shiv Sena, formed with a single-point programme of safeguarding Marathi interests in Mumbai, met with instant success.

But neither the leaders of Shiv Sena nor its followers noticed that transient success made Marathi Mumbaikars arrogant, insincere, with no respect for learning, instead aspiring for quick rewards and searching for short cuts to prosperity.

Violence in speech soon deteriorated into acceptance of violent means. Invoking the name of Shivaji, founder of the Maratha Empire, came in handy.

Then onwards, non-issues became issues of Marathi asmita. The slightest challenge to their authority became the issue of status. Flippant comments, arrogant repartee, jingoistic public speech, mimicry skills... all these proved 'leadership' qualities in the Sena.

These leaders got undeserving publicity; indecent speeches got reported as they made attractive 'copy'. 'Outsiders' including Bollywood stars buying peace with them inflated the leaders' egos.

Thus grew their image and fortune, but Marathi interests were sacrificed, leaving the younger generation with questions about what went wrong and who was responsible for the attitudinal change. Moot questions these, at once easy and difficult to answer.

It did not take long for younger, talented, professional Marathi Mumbaikars to
realise that they had become suspect in the eyes of others and therefore it was difficult for them to get top-ranking positions unless they proved that they has no allegiance to the Sena.

The turning away of these youngsters made the Sena a regional party, a shouting brigade of disgruntled souls whose leaders made too much noise but did precious little. Sena Chief Bal Thackeray was quick to realise this when, by sheer chance, the Sena-BJP combine came to power in the state in 1994, but it was too late to mend matters. His son

Uddhav quickly created an inclusive policy when he took charge of the party, so that other communities did not feel left out.

In the wake of globalisation and boom in IT and banking sectors, younger Marathis wanted to recover lost ground.

They have shed their inhibitions and inferiority complexes and are coming out of their insular mould with confidence. They are joining American and European universities in greater numbers every year and seeking employment there.

Thus the situation has changed and with that, the paradigms of social behaviour. The Marathi middle class which was the mainstay of the Shiv Sena has come out of its shell, as it were, and is scaling greater heights. The growing middle class is convinced that in the long run only merit pays and hard work benefits.

This younger generation of the Marathis, having tasted the success and rewards of money power, does not want to lose it. It is struggling to obtain the best of higher education, earning scholarships or part time employment, whether in India or abroad to complete education. It is trying to find its own dreamland. The aggressive posture of Shiv Sena no longer attracts it and it shuns the politics of violence.

That Raj Thackeray of the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena failed to notice this significant social change as fast as his cousin Uddhav did is surprising.

http://www.dnaindia.com/opinion/main-article_no-identity-crisis_1149951