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747-237 · Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 1589 Location: SRQ

Thai is to replace 4-6 747-400s with leased 777-300ERs. These are possibly 9W aircraft ! Not yet confirmed, though thats the word on the street.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/11/20/335262/aapa-09-thai-to-replace-4-6-747s-with-leased-777-300ers.html

me111993 · Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 417 Location: AMD

TG leasing B77w's from 9w is very unlikely. There are many reasons...
1 The article clearly states that TG would want the a/c within two years. If they get it within 2yrs, then they would want to operate it for 2-6yrs by the time they get newer aircrafts.
9w would never want their 77w's gone for that long, the ecomony is showing showing signs of recovery and after some 9w will want to expand and add capacities.
2 The interiors of TG are flagship on their LH aircraft. I've mentioned it before aswell that airlines with interiors which they market aggressively rarely go for change, specially for their LH a/c. This causes marketing confusion. This doesnot go to say that 9w's interiors are not as good. Leasing 737's is a completely different story for both sides...
Me111993

behramjee · Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:43 pm Post subject:

when you lease an aircraft you can only change its interiors if that leased aircraft is delivered brand new from the manufacturer to the leasing company who from the start would be delivering it to their airline customer for at least 7-10 years.

TG can easily survive by having either AI or 9Ws B 77Ws in its fleet as the in flight cabin product of both these airlines in all classes are of a high standard.

I would however suggest to TG to try and lease the planes from AI rather than 9W because of the former having more seating capacity available on board i.e. 30 more seats which will come in handy as these planes would be replacing TG's B 744s which seat 375 passengers!
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Manish Soni · Member Joined: 09 Sep 2009 Posts: 71

TG surprises me.

Why not stick to A346's & Rolls-Royce then go for the 77W's & a new engine, well i know the economics but if they see a surge in capacity warranting such large equipment then why not go in for a similar type ?

Yes they have 772, 77E & 773's but they're all RR.

LH has followed this policy by resisting the 77W due to commonality reasons & they're doing just fine.

VS has 1 parked,
Akbar Al Baker has made no qualms about his dislike & urge to dispose QR's 346's
besides IB has 1 or 2 frames parked at TLS.
Plus, 346's would come far cheaper than the more in-demand W's

Although, as behramjee mentioned previously since they have decided to go raked-wingtips then rather rent AI's due to more seating rather than 9W's flamboyant rafts.

Spiderguy252 · Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:49 pm Post subject:

me111993 · Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 417 Location: AMD

Acc to wiki
TG have A300-600's and B737-400's along with B744's which need to be replaced and are pretty old. They have orders for 6 A380's and a few A333's. They plan to buy 20 A321's (yet another new type of a/c) and lease B787-9's from a leasing company (having the a/c delievered straight to them like behramjee mentioned prev). Due to the delay of the 787 programme they are going to lease 777's.

This just adds to the confusion. Firstly there is a vast capacity difference the B77w and the B787-9, secondly, they have 18 B744's with 375 seats, have orders of 6 A380's with 501 seats, they plan to replace the 744's by leased 77w's having 300-350 seats. They also plan to lease 789's to replace A300's.
The problem of the old 734's also seems to be just as confusing. They plan to order A321's again a completeky new type of a/c and a vast difference of capacity. The only possible logical explanation to this that is they are generalising routes. The high capacity B734 routes and low capacity A300 routes will be replaced by A321's and high capacity A300 routes will be replaced by A333's and B789's.
No order for A321's has been placed yet.
Also note-
TG will have both A340's and 777's plus A333's and B789's plus B737's and A321's!!
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d3vski · Member Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 242 Location: LHR T3

I hope not, right now i want Jet to be brave and increase capacity on certain Indian-middle east and SE asia sectors.

DXB could do with an upgrade to A330
Maybe NYC (EWR and JFK can be upgraded to B77W)
Spare A330 from NA routes can be used for BKK upgrade from BOM and DEL.
Maybe even HKG to be upgraded to B77W to differntiate and claw back customers from IT.

Hell they can show a few A330s on the domestic front, that would be great advertising. I have the widest aircraft on the BOM-DEL! or Mines bigger than yours!