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karatecatman · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: Next cargo airline -- Aryan

www.livemint.com/2008/04/03010943/Startup-Aryan-planning-cargo.html

August launch

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HAWK21M · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject:

I thought they were considering ATRs,but A310 Freighters & international ops is surprising.
Time will tell.
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The_Goat · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:54 am Post subject:

The logo is hilarious! Looks like it has been designed by some RSS pracharak.

KCM, have you tired to contact 'Capt Mukut Pathak' to see if this is for real?
Laughing

'Aryan Cargo Expess' huh! There will probably be a 'Dravidian Cargo Express' to follow it up.
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'Aryan Cargo'???

Talk of giving TexDravid a wedgie!!

ANy idea from where the A310's are coming?
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Seems like a fly by night operator just based on their web-site

Have they announced any routes they will operate as yet
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karatecatman · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:04 pm Post subject:

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The logo looks like a "Viking axe"

karatecatman · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject:

Ok. got more info.

Capt. Pathak does exist -- on the mobile number given in the website. Speaks well and very confident.

Was an ex-Navy pilot and then joined Jet/Sahara/Deccan.
Has 4,500 hrs on the A320 and 1,500 on the 737. Total = 6000 hours.
Has 26 years of flying experience.
Those with him in this venture have over 2 decades of experience in aviation.

Capital in the venture is initially 240 crore. Of this 40 crore being out in by Pathak and Mr. Rishi Raj Singh Dungarpur of the Dungarpur royal family.
200 cr from a Dubai-based firm Kellett and Singleton which has links with a Chennai based NRI Rohan Shetty.

Aircraft will be a mix of A310 and A300-600. Refused to say which leasing firm it isbeing got from as both aircraft types are in great demand.
By mid-July 2008, 2 aircraft to be inducted.
By Aug/Sept 2008, MD-11 to be inducted.
Delhi to be the base.
Flights from here to HongKong, Guangzhou, Shanghai, Colombo, Dhaka, KL, Singapore. Tashkent, Bangkok, Japan, Tashkent, Amsterdam --- his words!!!
Domestic network will be Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata, Hyderabad, Chennai, Kochi, Bangalore, Ahmedabad (9 destinations in total)
Domestic operations will be at night.
International during the day --- his words again.

Website will be up and running soon, he says. Supposed to reflect Indian culture with precise delivery!!!! (That's what the logo means). Rolling Eyes

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Links to this company:
http://twaarsh.com/
(Subsidiary of Kellett -- guess is they will be into floriculture cargo as it is supposed to be touching Amsterdam and Dubai.)

www.kellettsingleton.com/
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www.getafreelancer.com/users/366933.html
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haree · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject:

Capt Phatak is for real and was flying buses for Deccan according to my sources until recently.. and yeah his plan of starting Aryan is quite old too

HAWK21M · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject:

Mid July 2008 is around the corner.....Not too sure about the Timeframe qouted.
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bob · Member Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Posts: 103 Location: bom

Aug launch.....very tight ... parking bay is big issue for domestic side for wide body aircraft ... Day operation international sector .. only Dhaka,colombo and bangkok are only station where after day operation aircrfat will be available for night domestic operation ... to fill 40 Ton domestic cargo per day ... big chanllange .. let us see!!
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HAWK21M · Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject:

Interesting Bob.Any Idea on the Source of the A310s.
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Don't Indian Cargo operators have to wait for 5 years before commencing International ops?
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bob · Member Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Posts: 103 Location: bom

two Air macu A300-600F are available for long term lease and one more A300-600RF from leasing company is available for sale ...these are only three freighter are available non A310 in market ... In case some one want a310 to convert l..conversion lead time 6-7 months with slot available in last quater of 2008 .....
let us see and watch ...
btw .. Quikjet is suppose to luach last qtr of 2007 , postponed to April ..still no sign .. they are in serious prepartaion from Jan 07 ....
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HAWK21M · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:31 pm Post subject:

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There is a video giving a brief process flow of a freighter conversion at EFW. The website claims it takes on an avg 4mnths for a conversion. There is another agency with the STC for A300-600 conversions, its called FSI and is presently owned by BOEING Confused

Apparently SIA-Engg or SASCO are the first touch labour MRO to use this off the shelf STC on a Chinese aircraft.

With ref to ARYAN i won't be surprised if they get the 3 EK freighters on lease, considering EK is likely to add the A380s from Aug08 to its fleet the belly payload addition will compensate for any loss from the sale of A310s.

http://www.eads.net/1024/en/businet/aeronaut/efw/publications.html

There was a mention here about a B767 freight ops starting soon, infact i have been asked by agencies here in U.K. if i was interested in working in India, any idea as to who is the operator. The agencies won't divulge the name as yet.

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karatecatman · Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:03 am Post subject:

www.livemint.com/2008/08/05230605/Aryan-Cargo-to-begin-operation.html

Aryan Cargo to begin operations by October, eyes high-traffic routes -- with 747Fs!!!
The carrier intends to connect cities such as Tashkent, Amsterdam and Shanghai from New Delhi

In the wings: A Boeing 747-400 freighter plane at the final stage of assembly in Seattle, US. Aryan Cargo Express, which plans to start global cargo operations by October, has secured permission from the civil aviation ministry to lease two Boeing 747-400F aircraft.

Tarun Shukla

New Delhi: Cargo airline start-up Aryan Cargo Express Pvt. Ltd plans to start global operations by October even as most other aspirants in the segment say they are still putting their logistics systems in place.

India currently has just two dedicated cargo carriers—National Aviation Co. of India Ltd‘s Air India Cargo and Blue Dart Express Ltd’s Blue Dart, with a combined fleet of just over 24 dedicated aircraft— though the civil aviation ministry has given out at least five more air cargo licences in the past 18 months to various firms.

New Delhi-based Aryan Cargo said it was choosing its international routes carefully. The carrier intends to connect cities such as Tashkent, Amsterdam and Shanghai from New Delhi. Amsterdam and Shanghai are ranked the world’s fifth and 14th biggest cargo hubs, respectively, by industry grouping International Air Transport Association, or Iata. The airline will be fed by cargo forwarding and handling firms that include Malaysia’s Abda Aviation Sdn BHd and Düsseldorf, Germany-based Leisure Cargo GmbH.

“One of the biggest threats as a new start-up for us is the predatory pricing by established players on routes which we will operate,” said Aryan Cargo’s managing director Mukut Pathak, referring to the launch of a new international service even as Iata announced on Monday a decline of 0.8% in international freight traffic in June—the first such decline since May 2005.

But it’s not all bad news. “In a situation where the industry is down and yields are under pressure, especially across Atlantic and across Pacific, due to American economic slowdown, the air cargo segment is growing in Asia,” Pathak said.

“We expect the established players will be seriously constrained to resort to any kind of predatory pricing on our routes without taking a massive hit themselves,” he added.

Pathak said the civil aviation ministry has granted import permissions for two leased Boeing 747-400F aircraft from Iceland-based Avion Aircraft Trading—the largest Boeing Co.’s freighter series used by the likes of China’s Great Wall Airlines Co. Ltd—to ply long-haul routes.

A senior ministry official, who did not want to be identified, confirmed the approvals were granted in July.

Aryan will face challenges in the short term, an industry expert said. “It is better for players to use existing and untapped capacity unless the new cargo can differentiate its offering with reliability or pricing,” said Kapil Arora, partner, risk advisory services, at audit and consulting firm Ernst and Young. “It’s not going to be easy, and profitability would be a challenge.”

International air freight to and from India stood at nearly 1.02 million tonnes for 2006-07, the latest year for which data is available, up from 920,150 tonnes in 2005-06, according to airports regulator Airports Authority of India. The domestic freight business is roughly half that at 529,640 tonnes in 2006-07.

Others Indian air cargo operators that have received government approvals including Flyington Freighters Ltd, Avicore Aviation Pvt. Ltd’s Avicore, Aviation Consultancy Services Pvt. Ltd’s QuikJet and Deccan Cargo Pvt. Ltd are yet to take wing.
One firm said there were mutliple reasons for the delay. “We may start a little later but it makes sense to do it,” said Avicore’s chief executive Shankar Devarajan, referring to a delay in the August launch date by at least three-four months. It plans to acquire and convert old Boeing 737-300 aircraft. More than 400 of these planes are being parked or retired by US and European carriers due to high fuel costs and an industry slowdown.

Shocked

Phew!

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First goes to this link: http://www.acex.in/
... then this!

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sammyk · Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:13 am Post subject:

A 744 in final assembly? I don't think there are any 744s on order by lessors at the moment.

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HAWK21M · Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject:

Many folks starting an Airline realise only later....That procuring an aircraft is not everything Smile

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karatecatman · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:04 am Post subject:

Aryan most probably wet leasing 2 A310s from Air India Cargo.
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haree · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:51 am Post subject:

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HAWK21M · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:16 pm Post subject:

I hope they do well for the sake of Aviation business in India.
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