Airliners-India Flickr Group    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Nobel Peace Prize          Airliners-India Forum Index -> Non Aviation View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message ssbmat Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 691 Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:29 am    Post subject: Nobel Peace Prize http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Surprised-humbled-Obama-accepts-Nobel-Peace-Prize/articleshow/5107692.cms This is just about as ridiculous as rookie Ranbir Kapoor winning the National Award for "Wake Up Sid". In fact, its a shame. Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 4358 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:41 am    Post subject: Quite unexpected and uncalled for. There are surely more candidates more deserving of this prize in the world than Obama - In fact if I remember right, Gandhi's yet to get one (and yes - I'm talking about the father of our nation). _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top Spiderguy252 Member Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 1091 Location: Chennai/Bangalore Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:04 am    Post subject: Not surprising. In fact, fresh after the invasion of Iraq, George Bush and Kofi Annan ended up with the Peace Prize. I mean, what????????? _________________ Windows 7. Get it now. Back to top karatecatman Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 8350 Location: Chennai -- INDIA Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:59 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: Quite unexpected and uncalled for. There are surely more candidates more deserving of this prize in the world than Obama - In fact if I remember right, Gandhi's yet to get one (and yes - I'm talking about the father of our nation). There's an interesting essay on this. "The slight" to the Mahatma. Maybe Obama should have declined to accept it. Strange that Obama looks up to Gandhiji, yet Gandhiji never got the Prize. _________________ एअर इंडिया AIR INDIA Fly DVD --- Desh VIDESH Desh Back to top ssbmat Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 691 Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:02 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: Quite unexpected and uncalled for. There are surely more candidates more deserving of this prize in the world than Obama - In fact if I remember right, Gandhi's yet to get one (and yes - I'm talking about the father of our nation). Actually, I am not quite sure why people think Mohandas Gandhi should get the Peace Prize. If anything, his efforts to bring about peace between Hindus and Muslims ended up in utter failure and I need not elaborate what was the aftermath, including Gandhi's own not-so-peaceful end. Back to top HAWK21M Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 5833 Location: Mumbai, INDIA Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:00 pm    Post subject: surprising choice.......The criteria should be that the award goes to a person that "has achieved world peace" & not one that has the potential to achieve world peace. regds MEL. _________________ Think of the Brighter side !!! Back to top flightgearpilot Member Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 547 Location: BLR Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:59 pm    Post subject: Er.. can someone please explain what makes someone an apostle of peace? All along, we've been brought up with the idea that peace entails bringing about a non-violent society, and this usually took the form of massive preachings, ashrams, spirituality, etc. We live in peace if we learn the importance of empathy, love, understand human relationships, etc. But after having lived abroad, I've learnt another definition of peace -- two players A and B are in peace, if neither A can afford to dominate B, nor B can afford to dominate A. So, a peace-maker is essentially someone who brings about this equilibrium. Strange are the ways of this world indeed.. Back to top rhumbline Member Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 439 Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:27 pm    Post subject: karatecatman wrote: Nimish wrote: Quite unexpected and uncalled for. There are surely more candidates more deserving of this prize in the world than Obama - In fact if I remember right, Gandhi's yet to get one (and yes - I'm talking about the father of our nation). There's an interesting essay on this. "The slight" to the Mahatma. Maybe Obama should have declined to accept it. Strange that Obama looks up to Gandhiji, yet Gandhiji never got the Prize. The nobel is not awarded posthumously, but why they didn't award him while still alive is beyond me. Obama getting the award is an overkill more like the nobel committee could not find enough candidates ? What has he achieved, most of his speeches have been a just a lot of hot air and little else. He has been pandering to the corporates like never before with bailouts and what not Paying lip service to nuclear reforms does not equal reforms. America has still not pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan and there are civilian casualties every day It's like awarding wall street for its financial prudence absolute disgrace. _________________ Learning is not compulsory. Neither is survival Back to top avbuff Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 2550 Location: FL,USA Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:43 pm    Post subject: I think with Obama winning the Nobel Peace prize, Film awards in India have got competition. Next in line ... L. K Advani, Mayawati to demand the Nobel peace prize! Back to top vivekman Member Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 1186 Location: BOM Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:20 pm    Post subject: avbuff wrote: I think with Obama winning the Nobel Peace prize, Film awards in India have got competition. One viewer comment on CNN-IBN last evening: If Obama can get the Nobel Peace Prize, every Indian PM should have won the Nobel Peace Prize for not attacking Pakistan in spite of Pak provoking and attacking India numerous times. Lets see how much peace he can achieve before his term is up. As far as India is concerned, he has only antagonized and alienated us so far. - Vivek _________________ Boeing makes planes. Airbus makes videogames! Back to top HAWK21M Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 5833 Location: Mumbai, INDIA Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:18 am    Post subject: vivekman wrote: avbuff wrote: I think with Obama winning the Nobel Peace prize, Film awards in India have got competition. One viewer comment on CNN-IBN last evening: If Obama can get the Nobel Peace Prize, every Indian PM should have won the Nobel Peace Prize for not attacking Pakistan in spite of Pak provoking and attacking India numerous times. - Vivek Amazing......Fully agree with that Viewer. regds MEL. _________________ Think of the Brighter side !!! Back to top haree Member Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 353 Location: Gurgaon, India Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:45 pm    Post subject: ssbmat wrote: Nimish wrote: Quite unexpected and uncalled for. There are surely more candidates more deserving of this prize in the world than Obama - In fact if I remember right, Gandhi's yet to get one (and yes - I'm talking about the father of our nation). Actually, I am not quite sure why people think Mohandas Gandhi should get the Peace Prize. If anything, his efforts to bring about peace between Hindus and Muslims ended up in utter failure and I need not elaborate what was the aftermath, including Gandhi's own not-so-peaceful end. I concur to ssbmat's statement Back to top The_Goat Member Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 524 Location: South of France Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:46 pm    Post subject: The Nobel Peace prize has become a joke ever since it was awarded to the likes of Henry Kissinger and Yasser Arafat. Barack Obama should show the world how much of an intelligent statesman he is by refusing it. It will also teach the Nobel Committee a thing or two about what exactly constitutes 'peace'! _________________ "If I, taking care of everyone's interests, also take care of my own, you can't talk about a conflict of interest." - Silvio Berlusconi Back to top flightgearpilot Member Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 547 Location: BLR Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:59 pm    Post subject: haree wrote: ssbmat wrote: Actually, I am not quite sure why people think Mohandas Gandhi should get the Peace Prize. If anything, his efforts to bring about peace between Hindus and Muslims ended up in utter failure and I need not elaborate what was the aftermath, including Gandhi's own not-so-peaceful end. I concur to ssbmat's statement I'm not sure whether Gandhi deserved the Nobel peace prize or not; but I find it strange that people like to latch on to the one failure (of post-partition Hindu-Muslim riots) that is attributed to Gandhi and to his unnatural attitudes towards sex, to deconstruct the entire person. I mean, what about the stuff he did achieve? And Gandhi is human just like anyone else -- should be not be allowed his latitude in making failures? Does it mean to say that everyone who received the Nobel peace prize absolutely made no mistakes, or no one dies because of their decisions? Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 4358 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:50 pm    Post subject: haree wrote: ssbmat wrote: Nimish wrote: Quite unexpected and uncalled for. There are surely more candidates more deserving of this prize in the world than Obama - In fact if I remember right, Gandhi's yet to get one (and yes - I'm talking about the father of our nation). Actually, I am not quite sure why people think Mohandas Gandhi should get the Peace Prize. If anything, his efforts to bring about peace between Hindus and Muslims ended up in utter failure and I need not elaborate what was the aftermath, including Gandhi's own not-so-peaceful end. I concur to ssbmat's statement IMO if the word "peace" can be attributed to one person - then it's Gandhi. His methods of non-violence and satyagraha IMO are the most powerful concepts for a "peaceful" change, rather than the current interpretation of "peaceful change" by having the biggest bombs and biggest army which has no hesitation to enter your country and press the trigger. "Liberating" India from the British rule through non-violent means and peaceful protests was a momentous task - and again entirely attributable to Gandhi. If the Nobel can change to grant it based on potential (like now), surely they can change and grant it posthumously as well. _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top ssbmat Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 691 Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:08 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: IMO if the word "peace" can be attributed to one person - then it's Gandhi. His methods of non-violence and satyagraha IMO are the most powerful concepts for a "peaceful" change, rather than the current interpretation of "peaceful change" by having the biggest bombs and biggest army which has no hesitation to enter your country and press the trigger. "Liberating" India from the British rule through non-violent means and peaceful protests was a momentous task - and again entirely attributable to Gandhi. If the Nobel can change to grant it based on potential (like now), surely they can change and grant it posthumously as well. At the risk of digressing, let me state 1) Gandhi never really liberated India- the British liberated themselves (after the hardships of WW2) and not without driving the wedge by helping creating Pakistan and potentially mini-pakistans such as Hyderabad state-only intervention by Sardar Patel reversed this situation. 2) After Jinnah's call for Direct Action, the 'freedom struggle' was especially violent- so the situation was practically out of Gandhi's control. Gandhi's methods may have been non-violent, but never achieved 'peace'. Perhaps the greatest paradox being his own assassination. Back to top sshank Member Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 184 Location: PHL Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:32 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: haree wrote: ssbmat wrote: Nimish wrote: Quite unexpected and uncalled for. There are surely more candidates more deserving of this prize in the world than Obama - In fact if I remember right, Gandhi's yet to get one (and yes - I'm talking about the father of our nation). Actually, I am not quite sure why people think Mohandas Gandhi should get the Peace Prize. If anything, his efforts to bring about peace between Hindus and Muslims ended up in utter failure and I need not elaborate what was the aftermath, including Gandhi's own not-so-peaceful end. I concur to ssbmat's statement IMO if the word "peace" can be attributed to one person - then it's Gandhi. His methods of non-violence and satyagraha IMO are the most powerful concepts for a "peaceful" change, rather than the current interpretation of "peaceful change" by having the biggest bombs and biggest army which has no hesitation to enter your country and press the trigger. "Liberating" India from the British rule through non-violent means and peaceful protests was a momentous task - and again entirely attributable to Gandhi. If the Nobel can change to grant it based on potential (like now), surely they can change and grant it posthumously as well. While Gandhi undoubtedly was one of the greatest humans to walk the earth (and his ability to inspire millions of people is perhaps without peer), attributing the Indian independence "entirely" to him is a gross distortion of history and trivializes the contribution of numerous others starting from Pandey to Bhagat Singh, and Tilak to Bose (who played a very significant and often misunderstood role). And its also generally accepted that WWII contributed immensely in accelerating the change that was underway - it weakened the colonial powers to such an extent that controlling far flung colonies were no longer possible, leaving a peaceful withdrawal the only option. Back to top ssbmat Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 691 Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:13 pm    Post subject: sshank wrote: While Gandhi undoubtedly was one of the greatest humans to walk the earth (and his ability to inspire millions of people is perhaps without peer), attributing the Indian independence "entirely" to him is a gross distortion of history and trivializes the contribution of numerous others starting from Pandey to Bhagat Singh, and Tilak to Bose (who played a very significant and often misunderstood role). And its also generally accepted that WWII contributed immensely in accelerating the change that was underway - it weakened the colonial powers to such an extent that controlling far flung colonies were no longer possible, leaving a peaceful withdrawal the only option. If anything, Gandhi was a Politician par excellence. He used all the strategies possible to garner support for himself, the party and constantly engaged in a battle of political wits against the British. We may have all sorts of cunning politicians today, but none can beat the original. To Gandhi's credit, he did not make personal financial profit out of the process-but perhaps there was none to make. Back to top flightgearpilot Member Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 547 Location: BLR Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:01 pm    Post subject: ssbmat wrote: If anything, Gandhi was a Politician par excellence. He used all the strategies possible to garner support for himself, the party and constantly engaged in a battle of political wits against the British. We may have all sorts of cunning politicians today, but none can beat the original. To Gandhi's credit, he did not make personal financial profit out of the process-but perhaps there was none to make. Political cunning and a lack of personal stake, is what makes great leaders. And it is not there was nothing to make. The British could have easily bought Gandhi -- if he were up for sale.. Back to top ssbmat Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 691 Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:16 am    Post subject: flightgearpilot wrote: ssbmat wrote: If anything, Gandhi was a Politician par excellence. He used all the strategies possible to garner support for himself, the party and constantly engaged in a battle of political wits against the British. We may have all sorts of cunning politicians today, but none can beat the original. To Gandhi's credit, he did not make personal financial profit out of the process-but perhaps there was none to make. Political cunning and a lack of personal stake, is what makes great leaders. And it is not there was nothing to make. The British could have easily bought Gandhi -- if he were up for sale.. Well , not atleast while Churchill was Prime Minister. Back to top flightgearpilot Member Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 547 Location: BLR Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:21 am    Post subject: ssbmat wrote: Well , not atleast while Churchill was Prime Minister. I'm sure Churchill would have been smart enough to have first tried to buy off Gandhi and only having failed at it, makes the "naked fakir" and the "nation of scoundrels" remarks in frustration. Whether Gandhi was responsible for India's independence or not, I don't know. Besides, a huge event like this will not have a single root cause. It is naive to believe that any one event -- let alone any one *person* -- was solely responsible for bringing this about.. Instead of looking at events and personalities in isolation, I would say that the Indian and other freedom movements against colonization were very much an intrinsic part of the global chaos called the World War II. So I find this hair-splitting about Gandhi the person, very strange. I mean, he was a mere mortal and fallible like anyone else, like Henry Kissinger or Yasser Arafat or Barack Obama. So what? That does not take away the significance of what he did do. 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