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karatecatman · Guest

After the storm raised over the late arrival of the heroes, the National Security Guards into Mumbai, the GoI has now decided that they are to get a new fleet of aircraft.

Reports are that they will be Lockheeds, but there is also another report that, in addition to these, it will include 2 777s.

rutvij · Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject:

Jaagore!

HAWK21M · Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject:

Why B777s.
I would have thought Military transport type & some Helicopters.
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ssbmat · Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 1710

They should get the C-130J Hercules..thats one helluva design thats weathered over the past 50 years!!

And they actually need planes with STOL capabilities so that the commandoes can land on unpaved runways/highways if need be.

Also, having some additional Mi-26 Helicopters wudnt be a bad idea (the largest in the world)-can carry upto 70 troops.

karatecatman · Guest

Clarification: The GoI now says that an IL-76 and two large aircraft (= 777) will be bought new for the NSA and paramilitary forces.

(State police forces now are a bit upset that the NSA will be located in 3 additional centres. There are certain voices that now say the purpose and discipline that surrounds the NSA being in a central location will get diluted if it is expanded.)

777 must be for commonality and ease of maintenance with Air India.

shivendrashukla · Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject:

The 6 C-130J's that were ordered recently are for NSG. They will be based in Hindan Air Base near Delhi.

Btw there were reports that IL-76 that took NSG to Mumbai was flown from Chandigarh. It has been denied by NSG DG himself. The aircraft was in Delhi and was refulled.

Cheers
Shivendra

ssbmat · Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 1710

There you go, now you have our States fighting for their own "SG"s.

This reinforces the need to have a Central command and control which can "take" over any state response at a time of a national crisis.

rutvij · Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:12 am Post subject:

D-ABTH · Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:24 am Post subject:

the C130's are not as fast as they'd like. the C17 Globemasters would prolly make more sense. A civillian design as a 777 would restrict its suitability as a multipurpose equipment transport unlike a C17. In that respect i would hope they consider a C17 Globemaster
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karatecatman · Guest

Negotiations are starting with Boeing.

shivendrashukla · Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject:

shivendrashukla · Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject:

ssbmat · Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 1710

IIRC C130 can also act as a maritime Recce plane.

D-ABTH · Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject:

the_380 · Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject:

777?

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HAWK21M · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:35 am Post subject:

I'd go for C-130 fixed wing aircraft & A365 Dauphin helicopters.
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sammyk · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:01 am Post subject:

Would be interesting to see a 777F in military garb.

karatecatman · Guest

Update after clarification (Many thanks to source for this)
The plan is to buy 6 of Boeing's C-130J Hercules (as mentioned in a much earlier posting, and by Shivendra as well). These will be primarily for the army and special operations. One of these will be placed at the Palam base for use by NSG, Army, etc.

It will take two to three years for the first plane to come. As this was decided much earlier, negotiations are on right now to speed this up.

About dedicated aircraft, there are two options:
To buy two more C-130 J outright or go in for upto 2 modified Boeing 777s
or
wait for three years for the Indo-Russian Military Transport Aircraft project to bear fruit.
(Boeing is willing to work out some modifications for a 777 plan).

Till either of these options comes into force, the plan is now to place a RAW or IAF owned IL-76 on permanent standby at Delhi. These are currently at Chandigarh, Agra and Nagpur.

D-ABTH · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject:

If speed of travel was the primary concern then the C130's are obviously not gonna help for rapid deployment and movement.
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shivendrashukla · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject:

karatecatman · Guest

Update (Many thanks to source for this input)
The equipment being bought for the special forces.

- 6 Lockheed Martin C-130J United States Air Force (USAF) baseline aircraft including USAF baseline equipment
- 4 Rolls Royce AE 2100D3 spare engines
- 8 AAR-47 Missile Warning Systems (two of them spares)
- 8 AN/ALR-56M Advanced Radar Warning Receivers (two of them spares)
- 8 AN/ALE-47 Counter-Measures Dispensing Systems (two of them spares)
- 8 AAQ-22 Star SAFIRE III Special Operations Suites (two of them spares)
- 8 ALQ-211 Suite of Integrated Radio Frequency Countermeasures (two of them spares)
- 2 spare AN/ARC-210 Single Channel Ground and Airborne Radio Systems (SINCGARS)
- 8 spare Secure Voice Very High Frequency/Ultra High Frequency Radios -- 4 spare Secure Voice High Frequency Radios
- 3 spare AN/AAR-222 SINCGARS and Key Gen (KV-10) Systems
- 1 KIV-119 Non-standard Communication/COMSEC equipment
- 2 ARC-210 Non-standard Communication/COMSEC

The estimated cost is $1,059 million and is to strengthen the U.S.-India strategic relationship.
It will also ensure interoperability with U.S. forces in coalition operations.

The principal contractors will be: Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, Texas and Rolls-Royce Corporation in Indianapolis, Indiana.

D-ABTH · Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject:

This must be my fourth post about the lack of sense this makes when they were all complaining about speed of response.. the C130J's are just not fast!
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stealthpilot · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 2325 Location: BLR, DXB

777s

What a moronic purchase that would be.
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shivendrashukla · Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject:

Aseem · Member Joined: 15 Dec 2006 Posts: 2841 Location: YYZ

if C130J can land at DED, then it can land anywhere and I agree with Shivendra that we need and a/c that can land almost anywhere. In fact the idea of B777 was bizzare!
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D-ABTH · Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:08 am Post subject:

shivendrashukla · Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:26 am Post subject:

IL 76 has a cruise speed of .82 Mach which is comparable to any fast, big jetliners. So the question that IL76 is slow does not arise. I am not sure from where you got the information that IL76 is a slow aircraft.

Cheers
Shivendra

karatecatman · Guest