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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They should focus on providing feed from markets outside DEL and BOM to AC's Canada nonstops. Isn't that what Star Alliance is all about?
Perhaps yes. I can only speculate on the reasons. One is that the spares issue was quite serious, as the Government delay in releasing funds are considerable, and this hampered operations. This is only temporary. The other reason: are we sure that the fault is at the AI end, and not AC's? Yes, perhaps. AI's code-shares with AC have been quite extensive, but they are all via LHR/HKG and even NRT, with the `major' leg being on AI metal. However, one cannot really be that sure. UA continues to avoid AI code-shares, and from what I hear from the inside, their snootiness towards AI over the years has been a moot point. Both UA and AI would gain from respective code-shares.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They should focus on providing feed from markets outside DEL and BOM to AC's Canada nonstops. Isn't that what Star Alliance is all about?
Perhaps yes. I can only speculate on the reasons. One is that the spares issue was quite serious, as the Government delay in releasing funds are considerable, and this hampered operations. This is only temporary. The other reason: are we sure that the fault is at the AI end, and not AC's? Yes, perhaps. AI's code-shares with AC have been quite extensive, but they are all via LHR/HKG and even NRT, with the `major' leg being on AI metal. However, one cannot really be that sure. UA continues to avoid AI code-shares, and from what I hear from the inside, their snootiness towards AI over the years has been a moot point. Both UA and AI would gain from respective code-shares.
Cheers, Sumantra.


So what's the point of being in Star Alliance if they don't code share or interline?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So what's the point of being in Star Alliance if they don't code share or interline?
One gets *A points, nevertheless Smile
AI's code-shares are increasing by the day, which is nice. And that is bringing a good amount of revenue to the beleaguered airline. For the record, UA and AI have always inter-lined, even in AI's darkest days. I have travelled on these inter-lines.
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/air-india-utilising-just-21-of-27-dreamliners-for-daily-ops/articleshow/65772806.cms

Air India utilising just 21 of 27 Dreamliners for daily ops

Sep 11, 2018

Air India is underutilising its flagship Boeing Dreamliner fleet due to flight crew shortage as well as technical issues with only 21 planes being deployed for operations every day, an airline source said.

Air India has 27 Boeing 787-800 (Dreamliner) aircraft in its fleet at present.

The 256-seater Boeing 787 is majorly used for carrying out airline's European operations besides catering its services to Singapore, Japan, Australia, China, Thailand, Israel, South Korea and Dubai.

Besides, some of the flights on key domestic trunk routes like Delhi-Mumbai, Delhi-Chennai and Delhi-Kolkata are also operated by the Dreamliner.

"Of the 27 planes, three are on the ground due to want of spares, while three are being used on a rotational basis. So effectively, only 21 aircraft are in service on any given day," the source said, alleging that the under utilisation was due to a scarcity of commanders.

When contacted, an Air India official said that only three aircraft were on the ground, while the rest 24 planes are servicing the various international and domestic routes.

Airline's Airbus fleet pilots body, ICPA, had last month alleged that as many as 19 aircraft, including nine Airbus A321s, were not in service due to non-availability of spares and that it was resulting in a significant loss of revenue to the carrier besides flight cancellations.

"Almost 23 per cent of the Air India fleet is grounded for lack of spares. To put this into perspective, aircraft worth approximately USD 3.6 billion or approximately Rs 25,000 crore (at today's list price) are lying idle in the hangars," the Indian Commercial Pilots Association (ICPA) had alleged in a letter to airline chairman and managing director Pradeep Singh Kharola.

Air India had, however, termed the grounding of planes for maintenance a common practice.

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Incident: Air India B773 at New York on Sep 11th 2018, multiple instruments including localizer receivers lost

Sep 11th 2018

An Air India Boeing 777-300, registration VT-ALQ performing flight AI-101 from Delhi (India) to New York JFK,NY (USA) with 370 people on board, was on final approach to JFK's runway 04R descending through about 300 feet AGL in reduced visibility (RVR reported at 3500 feet) when the crew initiated a go around reporting an unstable approach. The aircraft climbed to 2000 feet, back on approach frequency the crew advised they had lost multiple instruments on final approach including localizer, radio altimeters, two altimeters (with only one altimeter remaining), TCAS etc., they requested a longer final while being vectored for another ILS approach to runway 04R. After working the checklists the crew advised they could not perform an ILS approach and inquired for weather information of airports around the New York area permitting a non-precision approach, due to the ceiling at New York they weren't able to approach to JFK, ATC inquired whether they had autoland available which the crew stated they had lost auto-land too due to the multiple system failure. They needed an airport with a cloud ceiling of 600+ feet permitting a non-precision approach, their primary planned alternate had been Newark,NJ and their secondary alternate Stewart,NY. ATC reported the next airport available with 600+ feet ceiling was Albany,NY, the crew asked to also check Boston,MA advising they were getting low on fuel and needed to decide quickly. ATC suggested Bradley,CT would be the best option with 500 feet overcast with a forecast slight improvement. The crew queried the current ceiling at JFK considering a quick LNAV/VNAV approach into JFK might be an option. ATC advised Newark had just released a new METAR indicating 400 feet overcast ceiling, better than before, the crew decided to divert to Newark. The aircraft climbed to 5000 feet and diverted to Newark, the crew advised they would need to perform a LNAV/VNAV approach to Newark's runway, again stating they were unable to fly an ILS due to the instrument failures. ATC advised they would get cleared for an ILS approach runway 04R at Newark, however, the crew would then fly the VNAV procedure. The crew agreed and reported they had 7200 kg of fuel remaining at that point, when JFK approach inquired again whether at least one LOC receiver was available, the crew stated both localizer receivers were failed and unpredictable, they needed to do an LNAV/VNAV approach. On hand off to Newark Tower tower advised emergency equipment was standing by for the arrival. On final approach tower advised they were getting low on the approach and advised altimeter was 30.12. The aircraft continued for a safe landing on Newark's runway 04R about 90 seconds after the low altitude alert and about 38 minutes after the go around at JFK. The crew advised no further assistance was needed.



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without more details, nice job by the crew for getting down safely.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Without more details, nice job by the crew for getting down safely.


I agree. Cockpit crew needs to be complimented for a fine job. But how does a failure like this happen in the first place? Is anyone engaged in sabotage activities? Are parked AI airplanes monitored by Airport security in Indian airports and airports in other countries where they fly to? Who pays for all expenses relating to landing in a different airport? Were the passengers taken to JFK by bus?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ryder1650 wrote:
Without more details, nice job by the crew for getting down safely.


I agree. Cockpit crew needs to be complimented for a fine job. But how does a failure like this happen in the first place? Is anyone engaged in sabotage activities? Are parked AI airplanes monitored by Airport security in Indian airports and airports in other countries where they fly to? Who pays for all expenses relating to landing in a different airport? Were the passengers taken to JFK by bus?


Nice job indeed by the crew.

If the equipment were lost during flight, sabotage by someone on ground can be ruled out. A case of bad maintenance maybe.
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The public sector carrier has got four engines to power the grounded aircraft and expects to put all its planes in operation in two-and-a-half months. The grounded aircraft include A320s and B787 Dreamliners. With these planes joining back the fleet the airline is planning to put part of its additional capacity on international routes to Europe and the US.

It is studying the demand trends before deciding to mount additional frequency. Talking about performance of some its key international flights, the official said that the newly-introduced flight to Tel Aviv was doing well.

"Our flights to Milan and Rome are currently doing average. The occupancy on these flights could be improved further. The flight to Copenhagen has completed one year and we are analysing its performance. We are doing our best to increase aircraft utilisation and plan to add some flights to Europe. London is definitely an option for increasing frequency," he said.


http://www.asianage.com/business/companies/130918/air-india-to-sell-land-flats-worth-rs-300-crore.html
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

747-237 wrote:
The public sector carrier has got four engines to power the grounded aircraft and expects to put all its planes in operation in two-and-a-half months. The grounded aircraft include A320s and B787 Dreamliners. With these planes joining back the fleet the airline is planning to put part of its additional capacity on international routes to Europe and the US.

It is studying the demand trends before deciding to mount additional frequency. Talking about performance of some its key international flights, the official said that the newly-introduced flight to Tel Aviv was doing well.

"Our flights to Milan and Rome are currently doing average. The occupancy on these flights could be improved further. The flight to Copenhagen has completed one year and we are analysing its performance. We are doing our best to increase aircraft utilisation and plan to add some flights to Europe. London is definitely an option for increasing frequency," he said.


http://www.asianage.com/business/companies/130918/air-india-to-sell-land-flats-worth-rs-300-crore.html


While I am all for aircraft utilization going up, the above makes it seem like AI is just adding flights to "use" aircraft rather than make money. Seems like they should move some wide bodies to domestic or the gulf.
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747-237 wrote:
With these planes joining back the fleet the airline is planning to put part of its additional capacity on international routes to Europe and the US.

"Our flights to Milan and Rome are currently doing average. The occupancy on these flights could be improved further. The flight to Copenhagen has completed one year and we are analysing its performance. We are doing our best to increase aircraft utilisation and plan to add some flights to Europe. London is definitely an option for increasing frequency," he said.


http://www.asianage.com/business/companies/130918/air-india-to-sell-land-flats-worth-rs-300-crore.html


While I am all for aircraft utilization going up, the above makes it seem like AI is just adding flights to "use" aircraft rather than make money. Seems like they should move some wide bodies to domestic or the gulf.


If the flights to Italy are only doing average, which means in AI terminology break even, then with the new additional arilines on India-Italy market, the long term outlook looks cloudy for all airlines in the market.

They should have introduced more flights to the gulf, recently Indigo has started flights to several gulf destinations.
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iah87 wrote:
Caliguy wrote:
747-237 wrote:
With these planes joining back the fleet the airline is planning to put part of its additional capacity on international routes to Europe and the US.

"Our flights to Milan and Rome are currently doing average. The occupancy on these flights could be improved further. The flight to Copenhagen has completed one year and we are analysing its performance. We are doing our best to increase aircraft utilisation and plan to add some flights to Europe. London is definitely an option for increasing frequency," he said.


http://www.asianage.com/business/companies/130918/air-india-to-sell-land-flats-worth-rs-300-crore.html


While I am all for aircraft utilization going up, the above makes it seem like AI is just adding flights to "use" aircraft rather than make money. Seems like they should move some wide bodies to domestic or the gulf.


If the flights to Italy are only doing average, which means in AI terminology break even, then with the new additional arilines on India-Italy market, the long term outlook looks cloudy for all airlines in the market.

They should have introduced more flights to the gulf, recently Indigo has started flights to several gulf destinations.


The Air Italy flights are aimed at more than just the India-Italy market, or in other words they're a way for QR to break away from the India-Qatar bilatarals and get more pax to the US and Europe.
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The Air Italy flights are aimed at more than just the India-Italy market, or in other words they're a way for QR to break away from the India-Qatar bilatarals and get more pax to the US and Europe.
Well said, Sanjay. Indeed, it will benefit QR. AI may not do too badly here in the India-Itlay O&D, since they have a better aircraft for medium haul (the B788) , and the DEL hub is a reasonably well-oiled machine right now. Caliguy and iah87: On AI's `expansion', the planners are doing a reasonable job. Increasing capacity in the Gulf may not be in AI's favour right now. Shorter lower-yield flights on tighter LCCs eat into AI's numbers. Domestically, with Government's money for spare parts coming in, the narrow-bodies are filling in for the capacity needed. The domestic capacity dumping may not be needed right now, with the barrel prices the way they are.
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If anywhere between 3-6 expensive AC like the 788 are sitting on the ground hatching eggs at any time, it doesn't bode well for the airline.

Daily they need 4 for their UK terminator flights, 1 for the AMD-LHR-EWR flight, 5 for their EU operations. That's just 10.

Then 2 for their Oz flights, 1 each for PVG and NRT, 2 for their HKG-KIX/SEL ops. 1 for DEL-BKK and BOM-BKK, 2 for their SIN ops, and 1 for DEL-DXB and other domestic ops. That's 10.

That's 20 AC. Let's say you have 2 for rotational spares and what have you (no well oiled operation would have AC just sitting around in the hangars). So, you have at least 5 doing nothing.
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If anywhere between 3-6 expensive AC like the 788 are sitting on the ground hatching eggs at any time, it doesn't bode well for the airline.
It doesn't, indeed. There is little AI can do if the Government does not release money for spares well in time. The request had been put quite proactively, but there was a long-standing hiatus on this, which brought matters to a standstill when the ICPA flagged the issue of NBs and B788s sitting idle for want of spares.
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If anywhere between 3-6 expensive AC like the 788 are sitting on the ground hatching eggs at any time, it doesn't bode well for the airline.
It doesn't, indeed. There is little AI can do if the Government does not release money for spares well in time. The request had been put quite proactively, but there was a long-standing hiatus on this, which brought matters to a standstill when the ICPA flagged the issue of NBs and B788s sitting idle for want of spares.
Cheers, Sumantra.


There's always an excuse for this bunch. The MoCA need to approve technical spares for AC? WTF?
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There's always an excuse for this bunch. The MoCA need to approve technical spares for AC? WTF?
Well, there is not much which can be done if a few Babus sit on the files, not doing much. AI has some some good days starting under Team Nandan, and then perhaps the best of late, with Team Lohani. We can only hope that Team Kharola keeps the good work on the earlier team, and does some good, imaginative work. Governments should not run airlines, and if they do, it takes some really good people at all level to make it competitive.
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There's always an excuse for this bunch. The MoCA need to approve technical spares for AC? WTF?


AI runs on government money - it doesn't generate much on itself.
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Air India Express has added a new 737-800 to the fleet today, as VT-GHK.
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There's always an excuse for this bunch. The MoCA need to approve technical spares for AC? WTF?


Yes absolutely!

Don't you realize how important it is for the babus to get their 10% from the spares suppliers?

Do you know how much the babus have invested to get their jobs? Arre, they even had to sell their gaai-bhains and do bigha zameen in Begusarai to generate enough money to bribe their local MP for a sifarish!

Ab vasool bhi to karna hai na!
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Do you know how much the babus have invested to get their jobs? Arre, they even had to sell their gaai-bhains and do bigha zameen in Begusarai to generate enough money to bribe their local MP for a sifarish!

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Without more details, nice job by the crew for getting down safely.


https://goo.gl/vhwUDj


here would be the detailed report... didn't go into the details but it seems they managed with visual approach at an airport where clouds were sufficiently high to allow that.

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