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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:37 am    Post subject: Jet Airways News -- Part 15 Reply with quote

http://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/first-baby-to-be-born-on-jet-airways-flight-gets-free-tickets-for-life-117061800646_1.html

First baby to be born on Jet Airways flight gets free tickets for life

June 19, 2017

He is a born frequent flier — a baby boy, born on Sunday 35,000 feet above sea level on a Jet Airways plane from Saudi Arabia to India, has received a free lifetime pass from the airline as his first birthday gift.

Jet Airways flight 9W 569 took off from Dammam for Kochi at 2.55 am today and when an expectant mother travelling onboard went into premature labour the crew declared a medical emergency and diverted the flight to Mumbai.

While the Boeing 737 with 162 passengers on board was still over the Arabian Sea, the cabin crew requested on the public announcement system for a doctor to come forward. But since there was none a female nurse travelling to Kerala, named Wilson, volunteered to help deliver the child along with the airline staff.

After the plane landed in Mumbai, both the mother and the baby were rushed to a hospital and were said to be doing well, according to the airline.

"Being the first baby to be born in-flight for the airline, Jet Airways is pleased to offer the newly-born a free lifetime pass for all his travel on Jet Airways," the airline said in a statement.

The plane later resumed its onward journey to Kochi and reached its destination at 12.45 pm after a delay of 90 minutes.

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Jet Airways expands KLM European codeshare from June 2017

22 June 2017

Jet Airways on Tuesday (20JUN17) further enlarged European codeshare network, which sees Jet Airways’ 9W-coded flight numbers being placed on KLM operating flights.

Planned new codeshare routes as follow.

Jet Airways operated by KLM
Amsterdam – Athens
Amsterdam – Dublin
Amsterdam – Leeds/Bradford
Amsterdam – London Heathrow
Amsterdam – Lyon
Amsterdam – Nice


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Jet Airways News -- Part 15 Reply with quote

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http://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/first-baby-to-be-born-on-jet-airways-flight-gets-free-tickets-for-life-117061800646_1.html

First baby to be born on Jet Airways flight gets free tickets for life

June 19, 2017

He is a born frequent flier — a baby boy, born on Sunday 35,000 feet above sea level on a Jet Airways plane from Saudi Arabia to India, has received a free lifetime pass from the airline as his first birthday gift.



So all one needs to get a lifetime of free plane tickets is to have a foolish mother who chooses to travel long haul by air when she is near full time pregnant.

What a world!

By the way, Pan Am had this crap as well. If you were born on a Pan Am flight, you got free tickets for life and that's not all. As all Pan Am aircraft irrespective of where they were in the world were considered US territory, you also got a US citizenship by birth.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Jet Airways News -- Part 15 Reply with quote

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747-237 wrote:
http://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/first-baby-to-be-born-on-jet-airways-flight-gets-free-tickets-for-life-117061800646_1.html

First baby to be born on Jet Airways flight gets free tickets for life

June 19, 2017

He is a born frequent flier — a baby boy, born on Sunday 35,000 feet above sea level on a Jet Airways plane from Saudi Arabia to India, has received a free lifetime pass from the airline as his first birthday gift.





So all one needs to get a lifetime of free plane tickets is to have a foolish mother who chooses to travel long haul by air when she is near full time pregnant.

What a world!

By the way, Pan Am had this crap as well. If you were born on a Pan Am flight, you got free tickets for life and that's not all. As all Pan Am aircraft irrespective of where they were in the world were considered US territory, you also got a US citizenship by birth.


This was a pre-mature delivery.So cant really blame the mother.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Jet Airways News -- Part 15 Reply with quote

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This was a pre-mature delivery.So cant really blame the mother.


The baby survived, so it must have been more than 28 weeks. That's the seventh month and it is quite unsafe for a expecting mother to travel after that.

Quite irresponsible on the part of the mother. Even at 28 weeks it would have been touch and go for the poor baby.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Jet Airways News -- Part 15 Reply with quote

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This was a pre-mature delivery.So cant really blame the mother.


The baby survived, so it must have been more than 28 weeks. That's the seventh month and it is quite unsafe for a expecting mother to travel after that.

Quite irresponsible on the part of the mother. Even at 28 weeks it would have been touch and go for the poor baby.


If her gynaec is ok with it, she has every right to travel.

https://www.jetairways.com/EN/IN/TravelInformation/Expectant-Mothers.aspx
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Jet Airways W17 Delhi – Singapore service changes

Jet Airways at the launch of winter 2017/18 season is adjusting operations for Delhi – Singapore route, currently served once a day.

From 29OCT17, the airline will introduce 2nd daily rotation, however operational aircraft will switch from 777-300ER to 737-800 aircraft.

9W020 DEL0105 – 0925SIN 73H D
9W018 DEL0955 – 1815SIN 73H D

9W019 SIN1110 – 1445DEL 73H D
9W017 SIN1940 – 2300DEL 73H D



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:38 am    Post subject: Prep for SkyTeam entry ?? Reply with quote

Prep for SkyTeam entry ??

From email today

"Discontinuation of earn and burn with American Airlines, Austrian Airlines, Lufthansa Airlines, Swiss International Airlines and Turkish Airlines

Jet Airways will cease its Frequent Flyer Partnership arrangements with American Airlines, Austrian Airlines, Lufthansa Airlines, Swiss International Airlines and Turkish Airlines. Jet Privilege members will not be eligible to accrue miles on or after partnership discontinuation date mentioned below. Claims for travel on these Airlines prior to the discontinuation date will however be accepted for retro-credit up until six months from the discontinuation date; original boarding pass and copy of e-ticket will be required to process these claims. Award tickets that have already been issued prior to discontinuation date, will continue to remain valid for travel as per the booked dates, however no voluntary date or itinerary changes can be made to these tickets.

• Austrian Airlines: 30th September 2017
• Swiss Airlines: 30th September 2017
• Turkish Airlines: 31st October 2017
• American Airlines: 31st December 2017
• Lufthansa Airlines: 31st December 2017"
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:47 am    Post subject: Re: Prep for SkyTeam entry ?? Reply with quote

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Prep for SkyTeam entry ??

From email today

"Discontinuation of earn and burn with American Airlines, Austrian Airlines, Lufthansa Airlines, Swiss International Airlines and Turkish Airlines

Jet Airways will cease its Frequent Flyer Partnership arrangements with American Airlines, Austrian Airlines, Lufthansa Airlines, Swiss International Airlines and Turkish Airlines. Jet Privilege members will not be eligible to accrue miles on or after partnership discontinuation date mentioned below. Claims for travel on these Airlines prior to the discontinuation date will however be accepted for retro-credit up until six months from the discontinuation date; original boarding pass and copy of e-ticket will be required to process these claims. Award tickets that have already been issued prior to discontinuation date, will continue to remain valid for travel as per the booked dates, however no voluntary date or itinerary changes can be made to these tickets.

• Austrian Airlines: 30th September 2017
• Swiss Airlines: 30th September 2017
• Turkish Airlines: 31st October 2017
• American Airlines: 31st December 2017
• Lufthansa Airlines: 31st December 2017"


Is this ab indication of 9W moving towards Skyteam?!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Prep for SkyTeam entry ?? Reply with quote

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Sandy29 wrote:
Prep for SkyTeam entry ??

From email today

"Discontinuation of earn and burn with American Airlines, Austrian Airlines, Lufthansa Airlines, Swiss International Airlines and Turkish Airlines

Jet Airways will cease its Frequent Flyer Partnership arrangements with American Airlines, Austrian Airlines, Lufthansa Airlines, Swiss International Airlines and Turkish Airlines. Jet Privilege members will not be eligible to accrue miles on or after partnership discontinuation date mentioned below. Claims for travel on these Airlines prior to the discontinuation date will however be accepted for retro-credit up until six months from the discontinuation date; original boarding pass and copy of e-ticket will be required to process these claims. Award tickets that have already been issued prior to discontinuation date, will continue to remain valid for travel as per the booked dates, however no voluntary date or itinerary changes can be made to these tickets.

• Austrian Airlines: 30th September 2017
• Swiss Airlines: 30th September 2017
• Turkish Airlines: 31st October 2017
• American Airlines: 31st December 2017
• Lufthansa Airlines: 31st December 2017"


Is this ab indication of 9W moving towards Skyteam?!


Could be or at a min DL/AF/KL's pound of flesh for giving 9W cheap connecting seats between the EU and the US. That said it makes sense. 9W needs a partner invested in its growth / making it better. Partnering with everyone just makes you .... with no one really looking out for you. I know a formal JV requires open skies and what not (but who knows about the exact rules the US / Indian govt will place), but I would imagine a real JV with antitrust immunity and which is metal neutral will happen before Skyteam (very much like VS).
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess DL/AF/KL informed 9W that you can't whore around with everyone for the rest of your life.
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Jet Airways to commence Delhi-Riyadh daily effective W17

9W216 DEL2300 - 0135+1RUH 73H D

9W215 RUH0310 - 0945DEL 73H D

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https://defenceaviationpost.com/jet-airways-may-lease-atrs-trujet/

Jet Airways May Lease Out ATRs To Trujet

July 19, 2017

Jet Airways has decided to sublease out its fleet of ATR planes to regional carrier TrueJet.

The deal, which is taking a final shape, could be announced in two months, said people aware of the development. Jet has 15 ATR 72-500s and three ATR 72-600s which are leased from foreign lessors.
The deal may see Jet Airways leasing out the planes in a phased manner, starting with six planes in the first phase.

The move is likely to help the company earn money at a time when it is looking for funds for its fleet induction and expansion plans.

A TrueJet executive confirmed that the airline is in discussion to lease the planes from Jet Airways.

“The talks are for dry leases of planes in a phased manner,” he said.

It had been reported earlier that Jet Airways was planning to phase out its ATR fleet. Officials say that the airline felt, given a larger focus on international routes, ATRs did not fit in the present scheme of things. Add to that, a scarcity of pilots to fly smaller planes and high maintenance costs. At present, expat pilots operate most ATRs for the airline, which leads to higher costs. For an airline, the cost of an expat pilot is at least four times that of an Indian pilot.

“ATRs no more suit our strategy. Their maintenance costs are higher, getting pilots for them is difficult, and for the management, it was becoming too difficult as the network strategy of operating an ATR is very different from that of a Boeing 737 or Airbus A330,” a person aware of the development said.

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China Eastern / Jet Airways begins codeshare service from late-July 2017

China Eastern and Jet Airways starting next week will commence reciprocal codeshare partnership, covering service between China and India, as well as selected domestic service.

From 24JUL17, planned codeshare routes as follow.

China Eastern operated by Jet Airways
Delhi – Bangalore
Delhi – Kolkata
Delhi – Mumbai

Jet Airways operated by China Eastern
Delhi – Shanghai Pu Dong
Kolkata – Kunming


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http://www.timesnownews.com/business-economy/video/merger-in-the-skies-jet-likely-to-join-mega-deal-of-klm-virgin-delta-announced-on-july-27/67296

Jet, KLM-Air France virtual merger on the cards

Jul 28, 2017

Within 24 hours of KLM-Air France, Virgin Atlantic and Delta announcing a blockbuster deal globally, ET NOW exclusively learns the Indian skies may also soon be a part of this grand global alliance. Sources tell ET NOW that Jet Airways is in advanced talks with KLM-Air France for a strategic cooperation that could function as a virtual merger of the two airlines.

The talks are said to be at an advanced stage between Jet Airways and KLM. It is commercial pact which is called metal neutrality in the aviation space.

Metal neutrality or virtual merger basically means a total indifference to whose plane is ferrying the passengers, but revenue will accrue to both sides. In this the airlines share flights, flight scheduled, parking lots for airplanes. Sources say the strategic pact may virtually be a merger.

This is the way consolidation has taken place in the US. If there is a similar agreement being signed, it would be a first for an Indian carrier.

On July 27, a mega deal was announced in the aviation space with Delta buying 10 per cent stake in KLM and KLM buying 31 per cent in Virgin Atlantic. According to sources, Jet is going to be a part of this blockbuster deal.

Sources say talks are stuck on valuations between the principles in Delta and Jet and one can see the strategic co-operation in the deal—the virtual merger between KLM and Jet -- close prior to that.

However, there is also a regulatory challenge likely to take place on the strict FEMA guidelines

Earlier, there were reports indicating that Jet is looking to expand its commercial ties and that other airlines have evinced interest. Jet has a nice 17-18% domestic market share plus people are interested in the international routes, because after Air India, it is clearly the best airline in that segment.

Responding to ET query, Jet Airways said the company continues to develop code share pacts with KLM Royal Dutch Airlines, Air France. “Code share partnership with KLM over its European gateways in Amsterdam & Paris. Code share pacts will cater to growing traffic flows to and from Europe and North America. As a policy, the airline does not comment on speculation.”

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The talks are said to be at an advanced stage between Jet Airways and KLM. It is commercial pact which is called metal neutrality in the aviation space.

Metal neutrality or virtual merger basically means a total indifference to whose plane is ferrying the passengers, but revenue will accrue to both sides. In this the airlines share flights, flight scheduled, parking lots for airplanes. Sources say the strategic pact may virtually be a merger.

This is the way consolidation has taken place in the US. If there is a similar agreement being signed, it would be a first for an Indian carrier.



Earliest example of metal neutrality in recent memory would be KLM-NorthWest before NW was gobbled up by Delta.

Here, Delta already holds a stake in Virgin Atlantic. Wondering if ET too will join considering it holds a stake in 9W.

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Jet Airways is going to park the BLR flight at CMB for 20 hours

http://airsrilanka.org/showthread.php?t=313&p=16160&viewfull=1#post16160
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Jet Airways is going to park the BLR flight at CMB for 20 hours

http://airsrilanka.org/showthread.php?t=313&p=16160&viewfull=1#post16160


It will provide seamless connection to AMS both ways. They might probably restart DEL-CMB with the same a/c.
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Jet Airways is going to park the BLR flight at CMB for 20 hours

http://airsrilanka.org/showthread.php?t=313&p=16160&viewfull=1#post16160


It will provide seamless connection to AMS both ways. They might probably restart DEL-CMB with the same a/c.


I think they will obviously find somewhere to fly it in the down time. But this is actually great for them. My understanding is that BLR has trouble filling Y but is good in J class. CMB can provide the Y needed plus this should be one of the best sky team connections to CMB from both CDG (the AF flight) and AMS (the 9W flight).
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justbala wrote:
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Jet Airways is going to park the BLR flight at CMB for 20 hours

http://airsrilanka.org/showthread.php?t=313&p=16160&viewfull=1#post16160


It will provide seamless connection to AMS both ways. They might probably restart DEL-CMB with the same a/c.


Are they hoping to get so much of feed for the AMS flight from CMB that they can offset the loss of making an aircraft sit on the ground for 20 hours?
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Banuthev wrote:
Jet Airways is going to park the BLR flight at CMB for 20 hours

http://airsrilanka.org/showthread.php?t=313&p=16160&viewfull=1#post16160


It will provide seamless connection to AMS both ways. They might probably restart DEL-CMB with the same a/c.


Are they hoping to get so much of feed for the AMS flight from CMB that they can offset the loss of making an aircraft sit on the ground for 20 hours?


The proposed BLR flight also sits neatly between the two existing BOM flights. Is'nt there a possibility of a plane doing BOM-CMB-BLR-CMB-BOM + a second, re-timed BOM-BLR-BOM?
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/jet-follows-air-india-curtails-menu-on-domestic-flights/articleshow/59907574.cms

Jet follows Air India, curtails menu on domestic flights

Aug 4, 2017

Jet Airways recently narrowed down its list of meal preferences on offer for domestic passengers from 23 to a meagre seven. That makes it the only full-service airline in India to leave slim pickings for passengers who suffer from food allergies.

A Jet Airways spokesperson said: "Going by trends we have seen certain special meal options have a higher consumption pattern than others on our domestic flights. While finalising our list of special meals available to our domestic flyers, we have ensured meal options like the fruit platter to be included to serve guests requesting bland food or gluten free meals. The special meals served on board Jet Airways' domestic flights are Child Meal/Baby Meal/ Jain Meal/Diabetic Meal/Fruit Platter, and all- time popular vegetarian and non-vegetarian Indian meals.''


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Jet Airways schedules one-time Mauritius charter in Aug 2017

Jet Airways this week plans to operate one-time charter service to Mauritius, on board Airbus A330-300 aircraft.
Operational schedule is filed in the GDS and OAG Schedules Analyser, displaying nonstop Hyderabad – Mauritius flight, departing India on 09AUG17, Mauritius on 12AUG17.

9W9901 HYD0800 – 1250MRU 333 09AUG17
9W9904 MRU2000 – 0345+1HYD 333 12AUG17


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Jet Airways adds Delhi – Riyadh service in W17

Jet Airways at the launch of winter 2017/18 schedule continues to expand Middle East flight, including new offering of Delhi – Riyadh flight.

From 29OCT17 (DEL departure), the airline’s Boeing 737-800 aircraft will operate this route on daily basis.

9W216 DEL2300 – 0135+1RUH 73H D
9W215 RUH0310 – 0945DEL 73H D


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Jet Airways may stop first class in Boeing 777

August 12, 2017

It was the first airline to offer a first class suite in the sky. But a decade later, poor demand has prompted Jet Airways to plan a reconfiguration of its Boeing 777-300ER aircraft.

Jet Airways may remove the eight first-class seats and instead add economy and business class seats in its wide-body Boeing planes. The objective seems to be to improve revenue and reduce unit costs. Unit costs refer to cost incurred in transporting a passenger per kilometre.

Jet Airways has 10 Boeing 777 planes, which it inducted during 2007-08, and it flies them to Amsterdam, Hong Kong and London. The aircraft has 346 seats in a three-class configuration (eight first class, 30 business class and 308 economy class).

Plans for reconfiguration are being evaluated as the airline is due to pay off aircraft loan next year. The move is expected to bring down the ownership costs.

“The idea is to make the aircraft more dense but there is no decision yet on how many seats to add and whether those should be in economy or business,” said an airline source familiar with the matter.

“As a policy, Jet Airways does not comment on speculation or on matters internal to its business,” an airline spokesperson said.

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Jet Airways may stop first class in Boeing 777

August 12, 2017
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“The idea is to make the aircraft more dense but there is no decision yet on how many seats to add and whether those should be in economy or business,” said an airline source familiar with the matter.

“As a policy, Jet Airways does not comment on speculation or on matters internal to its business,” an airline spokesperson said.


Time they tried Premium Economy too..
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Agreed. They should (1) take out first, (2) add premium economy and (3) add a few rows of extra legroom economy comfort. If they keep first it should just be 4 seats like AI.
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Agreed. They should (1) take out first, (2) add premium economy and (3) add a few rows of extra legroom economy comfort. If they keep first it should just be 4 seats like AI.


If I understand this correctly, you imply -

J + PY + Y-Comfort + Y or alternatively,

4F + J + PY + Y-Comfort + Y ?
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Agreed. They should (1) take out first, (2) add premium economy and (3) add a few rows of extra legroom economy comfort. If they keep first it should just be 4 seats like AI.


If I understand this correctly, you imply -

J + PY + Y-Comfort + Y or alternatively,

4F + J + PY + Y-Comfort + Y ?


I really do not think they need F. Just get F out of the aircraft. Introduce a PY. May be offer a little more leg room in Y as well Laughing
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How is Jet doing on BOM/DEL-HKG/SIN? When I flew to HKG in June, I noticed that hardly anyone had boarded the 9W flight to HKG while my CX flight was totally full. I guess most of them might be transit passengers flying onward to other destinations, but I wonder if 9W are able to cope with CX on the HKG route and SQ's double daily to SIN?

It might get tougher for them when CX replace their A333 with the 77W.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

me111993 wrote:
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Agreed. They should (1) take out first, (2) add premium economy and (3) add a few rows of extra legroom economy comfort. If they keep first it should just be 4 seats like AI.


If I understand this correctly, you imply -

J + PY + Y-Comfort + Y or alternatively,

4F + J + PY + Y-Comfort + Y ?


Yes. The only reason I can think they should keep 4 F seats is really for upgrades. Meaning take J class corp account travelers who have status with hem and upgrade them to F. AA does this. It really keeps people loyal. Even say it must be in the higher J class fares (meaning discount J not available for free upgrade). 9W needs to counter the ME3. I think the FF program is a great way to do it (and then change when you get stronger - like the US3 did). That said, probably 2 frames should get rid of F and be shifted to a low J seat count with 2 rows of Y+ and 3 rows of extra leg room. They can fly these to the gulf (assuming they don't have need for 2 frames going to EU/US).
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caliguy wrote:
me111993 wrote:
Caliguy wrote:
Agreed. They should (1) take out first, (2) add premium economy and (3) add a few rows of extra legroom economy comfort. If they keep first it should just be 4 seats like AI.


If I understand this correctly, you imply -

J + PY + Y-Comfort + Y or alternatively,

4F + J + PY + Y-Comfort + Y ?


Yes. The only reason I can think they should keep 4 F seats is really for upgrades. Meaning take J class corp account travelers who have status with hem and upgrade them to F. AA does this. It really keeps people loyal. Even say it must be in the higher J class fares (meaning discount J not available for free upgrade). 9W needs to counter the ME3. I think the FF program is a great way to do it (and then change when you get stronger - like the US3 did). That said, probably 2 frames should get rid of F and be shifted to a low J seat count with 2 rows of Y+ and 3 rows of extra leg room. They can fly these to the gulf (assuming they don't have need for 2 frames going to EU/US).


Maybe it's just time for a new J Class hard product standardized across the wide-bodied fleet with this product as the flagship product. Other than BOM-LHR, few routes can sustain First anymore.
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