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World gets first peek at Boeing '797'

 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:34 pm    Post subject: World gets first peek at Boeing '797' Reply with quote

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http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/20/news/companies/boeing-797-paris-first-peek/


World gets first peek at Boeing '797'

June 20, 2017

Boeing (BA) released the first image of its new "middle-market airplane" at the Paris Air Show on Tuesday as a teaser for what will be the company's first new airliner since its 787 Dreamliner.

It's been nearly six years since the Dreamliner first went into service after a decade in development. And the new Boeing jet has become the most anticipated airplane in commercial aviation.

Industry leaders have started calling it the 797, the next in the 60 year series that started with the Boeing 707.

The jet will be tailored to offer relief to congested airports on routes such as New York to Los Angeles, but should also be efficient enough to serve medium-range flights connecting the U.S. to smaller European cities, for example.

It would seat between 220 and 270 passengers for flights of up to 5,200 nautical miles, or just over 10 hours.

Boeing believes there could be a market for more than 4,000 such aircraft over 20 years starting around 2025 when the 797 would first fly with airlines.

The jet would fill a gap between Boeing's single-aisle 737 workhorse and its advanced long range 787.

A new airliner is worth many hundreds of billions of dollars to the global economy. U.S. states will woo Boeing for new factories, and suppliers around the world will vie to build a part of the jet.

Details are still few and far between, but Boeing has talked to 57 potential customers.

One such airline, Indian low-cost operator SpiceJet, said it was very interested in the new jet to relieve airport congestion and open new routes from South Asia.

"We have 1.3 billion people in our country, they need to travel to different parts of the world and they don't necessarily need to travel through the hubs that have been created by several airlines on both sides of our country," said SpiceJet CEO Ajay Singh.

Boeing has started to make firm decisions about the jet's design.

The wings and fuselage will be built primarily from carbon fiber composite material like the larger 787 Dreamliner, said Mike Delaney, Boeing's vice president of airplane development.

Airbus, Boeing's big global rival, says it already has jets that can serve the market the 797 would target.

Delaney challenged that claim, saying that one airline had estimated that Boeing's new airliner could cut flying costs by as much as 45% compared to Airbus' A330neo jet.




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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard to tell looking at the figure but it looks like a 767-300 or 400 with a 787 nose.

So a 767 MAX of sorts.

I am assuming a lot of US carriers whose 767s are close to retirement will be interested.

But if it is a 767 with the economics of a 787 it will sell well for sure.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Goat wrote:
I am assuming a lot of US carriers whose 767s are close to retirement will be interested.


nope! this is B757 replacement. News had been doing rounds that many US airlines have been looking for something along the lines of B757. I mean a medium sized plane that can do trans-Atlantic

http://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-757-airline-demand-la-compagnie-2016-5

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the 737-10 can cram in 225 pax in an all Y configuration, one wonders why a 797 is needed for the Indian market. The 737-10 is almost as large as the Boeing 707 was in terms of length, and has a longer cabin with more usable revenue space than Boeing's original jet!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The proposed 797 is more like 767, twin aisle which is a comfortable plane. But the fact is that it is not required for the domestic Indian market or even for nearby countries. But it is ideal for India-Europe/China/Hong Kong/Japan markets.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iah87 wrote:
The proposed 797 is more like 767, twin aisle which is a comfortable plane. But the fact is that it is not required for the domestic Indian market or even for nearby countries. But it is ideal for India-Europe/China/Hong Kong/Japan markets.


Maybe they are positioning it with A330Neo...not sure how they compare.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aseem wrote:
Maybe they are positioning it with A330Neo...



The A321Neo, apparently :

http://www.investors.com/news/more-details-on-boeings-797-mid-market-plane-expected-tuesday/

Boeing Stays Mysterious As Details Set To Emerge On Airbus A321 Killer

After months of secrecy, Boeing (BA) will provide an update at the Paris Air Show Tuesday on a completely new midmarket plane that's meant to counter Airbus' (EADSY) A321neo.


Still, Boeing has indicated it is in no hurry to finalize details, despite suffering market-share losses in recent years to the A321neo, which has allowed airlines to open new routes that aren't accessible with smaller planes and aren't profitable with larger ones.


The interest in the midrange market has soared in recent years as carriers shy away from widebody jets. Boeing's new 737 Max 10, which was officially unveiled Monday, is seen as a stopgap to keep the A321neo at bay until the 797 is ready.

Boeing has spent three years talking to United Airlines (UAL), Air Lease (AL) and other potential customers about the 797 as it looks to take back market share from the A321neo.

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