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Jaysit
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They should dump all their 777s and stick to the 787 for medium and long haul international routes. The 789 has the range and capacity to do India-US nonstop. No paying pax fly First, and all that AI needs are 18-28 J Class seats for even these routes.
Of course, it's not as if the 788 or 789 will make them any money.
AI couldn't make money even if they flew magic airplanes that ran on air and water. |
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sumantra
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| Jaysit wrote: | | ...stick to the 787 for medium and long haul international routes. The 789 has the range and capacity to do India-US nonstop... |
Indeed, this is a part of the thought process going on, from what I have heard. At least, they should start with AI 101/2, the JFK flight, which has not been doing well. Even Y loads are not commensurate with the B77W's capacity, on an average, though my 15 Apr 2015 AI 101 flight shocked me with an unusual 90%+ Y load. My return on 20 Apr 2015 AI 102 was more like (no-)business-as-usual, with a shocking 2/3rd load in Y.
AI actually have possibly the best B788 configuration for todays economy (and their needs, and demand - based on harsh ground realities), and one expects that the B789s will also follow suit. The AI think-tank seems to be seriously pushing for the B789, and the JFK route will at least lose less taxpayers money.
What does one do with the B77Ws, and the B77Ls, then?
To-rejig/not-to-rejig has sent some mixed signals, but the configuration has not been changed. For the B77Ls, one perhaps understands why, if they indeed make money by being leased out to EY, so be it. If they can dispose them off at a fair price, it will be fine. Right now, they are still on fire-fighting duties on a few Dream)liner routes, with 1 or 2 being stored/rested.
The B77W does quite well on AI 127/6: the ORD flight (with some fair demand up front: I have seen some great all-round loads on this sector), and prior to the billboard issue at BOM, even the B77Ls in their front-heavy configuration did well on the AI 191/144 EWR flight, and the B77Ws would also do relatively well. There is some fair-to-good F demand on the latter routes, in addition to the belly cargo loads to offset the lean days.
There is some F demand on the LHR route, which AI uses one of its two daily DEL-LHR flights on the B77W, for. They are also used on the dense Gulf runs, though this may be more for the cargo capacity, and sheer Y demand.
| Jaysit wrote: | | Of course, it's not as if the 788 or 789 will make them any money. AI couldn't make money even if they flew magic airplanes that ran on air and water. |
Given the deep mess down there, I do not think that we can even dream of them breaking even in the next few generations to come. But there have always been some excellent people in the airline even in its darkest days, and the current team's overall efforts and achievements are a good reason for cheer, and do raise hopes!
Cheers, Sumantra. |
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| After they get the 789, I think they only keep the 77W on EWR, ORD, LHR (BOM & DEL) and two aircraft for gulf (with no F) and keep one 77W as a spare (for all flights). I think AI needs to change J to lie flat all wise and add the extra seat per row in Y |
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| Jaysit wrote: | They should dump all their 777s and stick to the 787 for medium and long haul international routes. The 789 has the range and capacity to do India-US nonstop. No paying pax fly First, and all that AI needs are 18-28 J Class seats for even these routes.
Of course, it's not as if the 788 or 789 will make them any money.
AI couldn't make money even if they flew magic airplanes that ran on air and water. |
LOL, so true.
They could simply keep a fleet of B788 and B789 (since they intend to order it) and dump most of the B777s and just keep a handful to high volume routes. |
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It appears that both ORD and EWR are doing fairly well, they are probably breaking even, if not making some money, but both originate from HYD and AMD and this may have something to do with it. However the passengers on the ORD flights have to get off at least at DEL (may be the same for EWR flight) on the outbound, but it is sold as direct flight, no missed connections and immigration and baggage claim at HYD.
May AI should have a different lead in for JFK flight in addition to converting to 789, from either BLR and/or CCU, BOM origination is not working as BOM has 2 flights to the NYC area. BLR could provide some J pax and if they start from CCU, they can claim the only direct flight from CCU to USA. |
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| iah87 wrote: | | It appears that both ORD and EWR are doing fairly well, they are probably breaking even, if not making some money, but both originate from HYD and AMD and this may have something to do with it. |
Exactly. HYD and AMD, and the cargo loads.
| iah87 wrote: | | However the passengers on the ORD flights have to get off at least at DEL...but it is sold as direct flight, no missed connections and immigration and baggage claim at HYD. |
I am not aware of AI advertising AI 127/126 as a `direct' flight, having taken it (and enjoyed the experience thoroughly as well!) numerous times, both on DEL-ORD-DEL and DEL-HYD-DEL. The getting off is often to rotate the wide-bodies through AI 101/102 on the BOM-DEL and DEL-BOM segments, via AI's heavy Engineering base at BOM. Remember that both the US flights reach at around the same time, a part of AI's efficient and well-planned DEL hubbing.
| iah87 wrote: | | May AI should have a different lead in for JFK flight in addition to converting to 789, from either BLR and/or CCU, BOM origination is not working as BOM has 2 flights to the NYC area. BLR could provide some J pax and if they start from CCU, they can claim the only direct flight from CCU to USA. |
No way, these are as different as chalk and cheese. As I mentioned before, AI uses the BOM-DEL-BOM rotation of AI 101/2 to rotate wide-bodies via their heavy Engineering base at BOM.
AI's 101/102 headache is not the domestic legs, but the inbound and outbound traffic with regard to JFK, with poor loads and poor returns. EWR is a completely different kettle of fish altogether. The short AMD-BOM-AMD leg does well with pax and cargo.
The domestic legs of AI 127/126 do well for a different reason. AI have balanced the international ORD demand from HYD, well with the domestic demand on the HYD-DEL-HYD legs, plus the great cargo loads. In addition to heavy Govt traffic on this segment, AI is popular with other passengers as well, with good timings, (may I add, great food) and good connections via their main hub at DEL.
There is no way BLR/CCU can see even enough Y traffic (forget J/F) to justify a domestic widebody leg to add onto the JFK flight, at least as of now, and the near future. CCU's connectivity has 6E as perhaps the most popular for domestic ops, followed by AI. CCU sees International connectors (some on wide-bodies as well: such as the regular Dream)liner AI 020 link for the ex-LHR traffic combining with good domestic demand at that time) for the JFK/ORD/LHR flights. BLR does not even have an international connector: the loads just are not there to justify the convenience.
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As a regular traveler from JFK area to DEL, I would say forget about wide body connecting flights from DEL hub to CCU. There is no need for it as long as there are hourly flights from DEL to CCU. DEL T3 is so well organized that once you reach this terminal a few hours waiting will be no problem. Rather AI should think of starting a EWR to DEL daily flight. Many NJ /Philadelphia passengers don’t like to travel to JFK . With such flights one could reach DEL and then easily connect to CCU or any other state capital. I think wide body direct or multi stop air connectivity between CCU and NYC/LHR will not happen any time soon. Most passengers are economy class and very few business class. AI could not absorb this kind of expenditure. Let ME airlines with their A380 take care of large economy class passenger load from CCU for the time being. In the meantime other airlines should think of changing their business plan.
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Well said, Sir. However, a few points:
| sabya99 wrote: | | Rather AI should think of starting a EWR to DEL daily flight. Many NJ /Philadelphia passengers don’t like to travel to JFK |
Sir, the pax numbers are too small to warrant even a JFK-like money-down-the-drain. EWR-BOM-AMD on the other hand, has made money for AI even in its darkest days, when the flight used to go via CDG. I have seen chock-a-block B744s.
| sabya99 wrote: | | Let ME airlines with their A380 take care of large economy class passenger load from CCU for the time being. |
Sir, the ME3 do not see the numbers here, even for Y pax. With the front going quite empty, even a B772 is a bit of an overkill for CCU. An A332-type load currently is what makes sense: at least by today's numbers. Else, EK (which almost rules CCU's international traffic numbers) would have consistently sent at least a B772 here.
Cheers, Sumantra. |
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@Sumantra I strongly believe EWR-DEL flight will be a success and many desi folks are waiting for this to happen. Just because there are large Gujarati population does not mean EWR should be connected only with BOM. After all immigration from India took place all across the subcontinent even Nepal and Bangladesh. Many desis are not happy with the inflight service of US airlines hence AI will not have any problem. The demand for US east coast –India seats are almost endless! Again yield may be poor.
I have no information about load factor of recently introduced B777 flight of EK with first class config.
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iah87
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Many times we have commented that very few pay for the international first class on AI. And AI has pulled first class from many flights in response. Apparently other airlines like United have the same problem.
Here is a quote from UA's VP. Apparently less than 10% pay for the first class product.
| Quote: | Why are we degrading our product by flying 2-class instead of 3-class?
While nobody disputes that customers like first-class service, unfortunately very few (it's in the single-digit percentages) actually pay for first-class service. Any given first-class cabin consists mostly of upgrades, federal air marshals and employees flying for free. That's not worth the money we invest in a first-class cabin on our aircraft. We've found our RASM is higher with 2-class service (and we have the perfect test product flying both two- and three-class airplanes), our product delivery is simplified, and we offer seats that people actually pay for. Other airlines are going in this direction, too. In addition, with all-aisle access seats, you start to see less and less distinction between first and business.
That said, you'll see three-class airplanes in our fleet for a long time. Reconfiguring to two-class is very expensive, and we won't do that on all of our current three-class aircraft before they retire |
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Also, First Class on UA and AI is rubbish in comparison with the likes of LH, SQ, CX, etc.
In fact, J on AI is pretty rubbish too.
They need to have 2-class products with a better J product that people are actually willing to pay for. |
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| Jaysit wrote: | Also, First Class on UA and AI is rubbish in comparison with the likes of LH, SQ, CX, etc.
In fact, J on AI is pretty rubbish too.
They need to have 2-class products with a better J product that people are actually willing to pay for. |
I totally agree with you. AI could even have only cattle class flights between JFK and DEL.
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Air India suspends 17 senior cabin crew members for 'delaying' several international flights
http://www.firstpost.com/india/air-india-suspends-17-senior-cabin-crew-membersfor-delaying-several-international-flights-2267340.html
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New Delhi: Air India has suspended 17 of its cabin crew members including some senior air hostesses, pending enquiry, apparently for "delaying" several of the national carrier's international flights citing "inadequate" rest period.
The orders issued last Friday signed by an assistant general manager of the in-flight services, however, did not assign any reason for the suspension, sources said on Thursday.
"You are placed under suspension pending enquiry with immediate effect.... A detailed charge sheet will follow in terms of the provisions of the certified standing orders," the order issued on May 22 said.
Air India officials said that action was taken against these employees for "delaying" flights after citing "inadequate" rest period, but cabin crew sources claimed that these air hostesses were only "adhering" to regulations.
According to aviation regulator DGCA's rest period norms, "No air carrier may schedule a cabin crew to perform duty in an aeroplane for more than 11 hours of flight time during any 24 consecutive hours without a rest period.
"Before a cabin crew is detailed for an international flight, his or her rest period since the last flight shall not be less than 22 hours. The rest of 22 hours will be either at home base or at another station from where the international flight shall originate."
The flights which were allegedly delayed because of these 17 air-hostesses include services to Delhi from London, Milan and Rome as well as from Jeddah to Calicut and Kochi, sources said.
Flights to Rome, Milan and London from Delhi and vice versa are generally of nine to nine-and-a-half hours duration. Services to Jeddah from Mumbai and south are of about five- hour duration.
"Air India deploys the cabin crew, who are on such flights, for a new flight citing another regulation. However, as per the DGCA, the 22-hour rest period norm cannot be over-ruled in any case," the sources claimed. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:24 pm Post subject: Air India shelves plan to acquire Boeing 787-9 aircraft |
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Air-India-shelves-plan-to-acquire-Boeing-787-9-aircraft/articleshow/47530374.cms
National carrier Air India has shelved its plan to acquire five Boeing 787-9, the higher range variant of Boeing Dreamliner (787-800) aircraft, after failing to secure the nod of its board and would stick to the original model.
Air India currently has 20 Dreamliners in its fleet. The carrier had signed a deal with the American aircraft maker Boeing Co in 2005 to acquire 68 planes, of which 27 are the Boeing 787-800s. The rest 41 are Boeing 777s (23) and 737-800 ( 18 )
Of the remaining seven planes, which are to be delivered to the Air India by mid-2016, the carrier had late last year proposed to replace five of them with Boeing 787-9. "Air India had put across its proposal to acquire five Boeing 787-9 in lieu of Boeing 787-800s to its Board recently. But the board did not accept it (the proposal)," an official source said. The airline was looking at inducting the higher range variant of the aircraft, which has more seating capacity than the existing model for its ultra long-haul routes such as the US and Canada.
The Boeing 787-800 has 256 seats, of which 18 are in business class and remaining 238 in economy class. Currently, these aircraft caters to Air India's European and some Asian routes besides servicing some domestic destinations.
Government had early last month said that Air India was evaluating switching its order for Dreamliner aircraft from Boeing 787-8 to the larger version 787-9.
Model substitution rights is available for Air India under the purchase agreement for the B787-8 aircraft signed by it with Boeing.
The national carrier has set up a committee, comprising representatives from finance, commercial, engineering and strategy & planning departments, to evaluate the option to exercise the model substitution rights, minister of state for civil aviation Mahesh Sharma had said. Boeing had provided four interior layout options for the B787-9 in two class (executive + economy) configuration, Sharma had said. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:12 am Post subject: Re: Air India shelves plan to acquire Boeing 787-9 aircraft |
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| GF1011 wrote: | | http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Air-India-shelves-plan-to-acquire-Boeing-787-9-aircraft/articleshow/47530374.cms |
To the armchair enthusiast in me, this news is completely deflating. Can I request Ojas or Ameya, to do an analysis of the background leading to this decision, and what the possible repercussions will be, apart from what we envisage (reduced revenue with the B77Ws)?
Thanks, Sumantra. |
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| Why would the board do this??? Makes no sense. AI will always have some presence in NA and the 789 let's them fly those routes cheaper than the 77W. |
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The national carrier is also setting up an aviation museum spread over 9,200 sq ft on the ground floor of the sea-facing property at Nariman Point and will host a range of artifacts collected and owned by the airlines since its inception.
“We also hope the aviation museum, which will be housed on the ground floor of the building, to be ready in the next three-four months. It will house paintings, artifacts and other historical souvenirs that will give a lot of insight to youngsters about the country’s rich aviation history,” the official added.
http://www.financialexpress.com/article/industry/companies/coffee-shop-museum-to-adorn-ais-former-hq/81920/
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| 747-237 wrote: | The national carrier is also setting up an aviation museum spread over 9,200 sq ft on the ground floor of the sea-facing property at Nariman Point and will host a range of artifacts collected and owned by the airlines since its inception.
“We also hope the aviation museum, which will be housed on the ground floor of the building, to be ready in the next three-four months. It will house paintings, artifacts and other historical souvenirs that will give a lot of insight to youngsters about the country’s rich aviation history,” the official added.
http://www.financialexpress.com/article/industry/companies/coffee-shop-museum-to-adorn-ais-former-hq/81920/ |
Great Idea!
The IAF still has a couple of ex-AI L-1049s stored somewhere. They should get one of these and paint it in the old Air India International livery. It would make a fantastic exhibit.
Another idea is to give a new life to ex-IC VT-DXH, presently rotting away in DEL. They should paint it in the former IC livery and exhibit it there.
I don't know if the museum is going to have space to exhibit larger jets.
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| The_Goat wrote: | | 747-237 wrote: | The national carrier is also setting up an aviation museum spread over 9,200 sq ft on the ground floor of the sea-facing property at Nariman Point and will host a range of artifacts collected and owned by the airlines since its inception.
“We also hope the aviation museum, which will be housed on the ground floor of the building, to be ready in the next three-four months. It will house paintings, artifacts and other historical souvenirs that will give a lot of insight to youngsters about the country’s rich aviation history,” the official added.
http://www.financialexpress.com/article/industry/companies/coffee-shop-museum-to-adorn-ais-former-hq/81920/ |
Great Idea!
The IAF still has a couple of ex-AI L-1049s stored somewhere. They should get one of these and paint it in the old Air India International livery. It would make a fantastic exhibit.
Another idea is to give a new life to ex-IC VT-DXH, presently rotting away in DEL. They should paint it in the former IC livery and exhibit it there.
I don't know if the museum is going to have space to exhibit larger jets. |
Nope! The Nariman Point property is just one tall building with no open space of any practical use to a museum. No chance of displaying a Connie or Avro there, unfortunately. Unless they choose to plonk those on a barge off Marine Drive during the "non-monsoon months". THAT would be neat!  |
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http://finchannel.com/index.php/business/travel-news/item/44930-air-new-zealand-and-air-india-announce-codeshare-agreement
Air New Zealand and Air India announce codeshare agreement
09 June 2015
Air New Zealand and Air India have signed a codeshare agreement on services between New Zealand and India providing greater access and choice to travellers in both directions.
The deal will see Air New Zealand codeshare into several Indian cities over multiple gateways. Fellow Star Alliance carrier Air India will also be able to access the New Zealand market on Air New Zealand services, including over the Tasman, connecting its current Sydney and Melbourne services, according to Air New Zealand.
Air New Zealand Chief Executive Officer Christopher Luxon and Air India Chairman and Managing Director Rohit Nandan signed the agreement at the International Air Transport Association (IATA) Annual General Meeting in Miami today.
Mr Luxon says, “The sheer size of India and its growing middle class make it an aviation force that will positively impact international traffic flows. Close to 90,000 people currently travel between India and New Zealand every year and this number is growing. This codeshare agreement will provide greater choice and convenience for those travelling between our two countries in both directions.”
Codeshare services are expected to go on sale in the coming months.
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Air India to temporarily clear 'overweight' cabin crew for service due to cabin crew shortage
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Air India said its “overweight” cabin crew will be cleared for flying for three months, in time for the carrier to recruit and train new cabin crew (Bangalore Mirror Bureau, 07-Jun-2015). GM (medical) and head of medical services PC Tripathi, in a circular, said that ”In view of acute shortage of cabin crew, it has been decided that cabin crew with a Body Mass Index (BMI) in the range of 'overweight' are to be cleared for flying for three months at a time, provided they have got no other medical problems." The carrier has 37 'overweight' cabin crew in Mumbai and about 20 in Delhi. All these crew members have not been flying in batches since May 2014 after a medical examination. A DGCA guideline issued on 05-May-2015 states that who are overweight will be declared temporarily unfit for six months. If they fail to improve in 18 months, they will be declared as permanently unfit. |
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http://indianexpress.com/article/trending/picture-of-lizard-in-flyers-meal-tray-goes-viral-air-india-denies/
A picture of a lizard in the meal tray of a flyer purportedly on one of Air India’s flights was doing the rounds on social media and also left the Civil Aviation Minister fuming but the airline strongly denied any such incident saying it was “baseless”. The incident reportedly took place last Thursday when in the Air India flight from Delhi to London -
“This has reference to a report in the media, including on the social media, that a passenger had found a lizard in the meal tray on board AI-111 (Delhi-London) of 11 June, with photograph attached,” the airline said. Air India has investigated the “incident” and has found it to be false and baseless, the airline said in a statement. No such complaint by any passenger has been received on board the flight or at the Air India office in London, it said.
However, before Air India issued a denial, Civil Aviation Minister Ashok Gajapathi Raju said the “issue” is serious and Air India was not expected to serve lizard to its passengers. “That’s also a serious thing. Air India is not expected to serve lizard neither the cooks are expected to cook lizards,” Raju told a TV channel.
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Unless the passenger has made a written complaint and also identified himself/herself, there may be an element of truth in the "fabrication version". Social media, when in the wrong , can do more harm than good.
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.....the national carrier, which is to take delivery of its 21st Boeing 787 aircraft at the end of the month, is planning to place two such aircraft exclusively for domestic operations.
The deployment of the Boeing 787 exclusively for domestic operations will help the airline offer more capacity in the domestic market. At the moment, Air India primarily uses the Airbus A320 series of aircraft to operate domestic flights. While the Boeing 787 seats 256 passengers, the Airbus aircraft seats anything between 122 to 172 passengers on each flight.
The deployment of two Boeing 787 aircraft exclusively for domestic operations could see the airline increase the number of cities to which it operates the Boeing 787 aircraft as Mumbai will also be added to the aircraft’s flight schedule. At the moment, the Boeing 787 aircraft only flies from Delhi to Kolkata, Chennai and Bengaluru.
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/logistics/ai-to-get-1200-cr-from-defence-ministry/article7342969.ece?ref=wl_industry-and-economy
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Question is.......which will those routes be.???
Kolkata Delhi already sees two dreamliner flights while the other such routes to DEL see a wide body operating along with a dreamliner,
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| For more than a week, air india's VT-ALF has been doing round trips from delhi to an unknown destination somewhere in the African continent as flight nos 3710-3717. Does any one have an idea as to where these planes are going almost everyday and why? Also with AI selling 2 77Ws, would their schedule change? |
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| sri_bom wrote: | Air India to temporarily clear 'overweight' cabin crew for service due to cabin crew shortage
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Air India said its “overweight” cabin crew will be cleared for flying for three months, in time for the carrier to recruit and train new cabin crew (Bangalore Mirror Bureau, 07-Jun-2015). GM (medical) and head of medical services PC Tripathi, in a circular, said that ”In view of acute shortage of cabin crew, it has been decided that cabin crew with a Body Mass Index (BMI) in the range of 'overweight' are to be cleared for flying for three months at a time, provided they have got no other medical problems." The carrier has 37 'overweight' cabin crew in Mumbai and about 20 in Delhi. All these crew members have not been flying in batches since May 2014 after a medical examination. A DGCA guideline issued on 05-May-2015 states that who are overweight will be declared temporarily unfit for six months. If they fail to improve in 18 months, they will be declared as permanently unfit. |
The Importance of ahead planning.....if the crew could still be rostered in case of shortage, it defeats the purpose of grounding in the 1st place.Irrespective of the reason.Then dont ground.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: AI 77L doing multiple flights to an unknown destination |
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| yashkhullar wrote: | | For more than a week, air india's VT-ALF has been doing round trips from delhi to an unknown destination somewhere in the African continent as flight nos 3710-3717. Does any one have an idea as to where these planes are going almost everyday and why? Also with AI selling 2 77Ws, would their schedule change? |
Fascinating. What is AI doing in sub-Saharan Africa west of Tanzania? And that too thrice the past week. According to the incomplete flight path shown on FR24 and the purported departure from DEL at 01:05 and arrival back in Delhi at 18:23 the same day, I doubt it flew much further than Rwanda or Burundi (~8 hours each way). I wonder if AI is supporting a peace-keeping mission in Burundi, or perhaps getting our consular staff out - there's a major political crisis there right now.
Map for reference - the aircraft was last tracked over north-western Tanzania:
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Which AIRPORT and what time.
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If you look at the last tracked location on this link, and given the heading and the other flight info and the problems in Burundi right now, it might be headed towards Bujumbura, Burundi. Just an educated guess, though. http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/vt-alf/#69eff09 |
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| Jeh wrote: | | HAWK21M wrote: | | Which AIRPORT and what time. |
If you look at the last tracked location on this link, and given the heading and the other flight info and the problems in Burundi right now, it might be headed towards Bujumbura, Burundi. Just an educated guess, though. http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/vt-alf/#69eff09 |
It could also be a troop transport for the UN Peacekeeping mission in Congo which is mostly being done by the Indian Army.
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| The_Goat wrote: | | Jeh wrote: | | HAWK21M wrote: | | Which AIRPORT and what time. |
If you look at the last tracked location on this link, and given the heading and the other flight info and the problems in Burundi right now, it might be headed towards Bujumbura, Burundi. Just an educated guess, though. http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/vt-alf/#69eff09 |
It could also be a troop transport for the UN Peacekeeping mission in Congo which is mostly being done by the Indian Army. |
That is quite possible, too, although you'd think they would use the IAF transport fleet for that. Then again, I can't think why India would want to get involved in Burundi, except to evacuate consular staff, but even that shouldn't take two-three flights over a week to accomplish! So maybe the Congo explanation is correct. |
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Air India and Air India Express to implement stricter hand luggage rules from UAE
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Air India and Air India Express will restrict the weight of hand luggage carried by passengers from the UAE from 01-Jul-2015 (PTI/Khaleej Times, 29-Jun-2015). The free allowance for hand luggage will be strictly restricted to 8kg for Air India and 7kg for Air India Express inclusive of duty free items. Carry-on bags will be weighed at the gates before boarding. Air India and Air India Express manager in Dubai and Sharjah Prem Sagar explained: “If the baggage weighs more than the free allowance, a fee of 60 Dirhams (USD 16) per excess kilo would be charged at the gate". This is introduced at the peak time of summer travel from the UAE, Mr Sagar said, adding: “The baggage weighing at the gates policy will begin with flights from Sharjah on July 1. There could be a delay of a few more days to start it in Dubai". |
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