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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:09 am    Post subject: Did you vote? Reply with quote

So I just went and voted (for Milind, if anyone cares) a couple of hours ago.

The actual process - including verification and actual voting - took only about two minutes, so that was great.

But good God what a complete disorganised mess before one finds out and gets to the actual room where one is supposed to vote. Loads of clueless, disinterested officials, with stacks of pointless and chaotic papers and literally hundreds of people who didn't seem to appear on the voter list, though they've voted at the very same place for years. Shockingly poor planning and execution, almost as if done by a JetChild.

And I was totally, completely impressed by the smart, articulate, polished policewoman who was posted at the entrance to the school.

Of course, I got the ink-on-nail thing:


But they also made me stick my thumb on a vile pad and give them a thumb impression on the paper next to my signature:


That's never happened before. Anyone else violated this way?

Add: I just heard from a friend (different constituency) who couldn't decide who to vote for and didn't want to go NOTA, so he voted for Rakhi Sawant. Idiot! Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted from Bangalore on 17th April.

It is appalling to see very low percentage of voting in both metros. People have no rights to crib about Corruption or Communalism, if they don't exercise their voting rights.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, we voted! (wifey and I)

We were fortunate enough to have our names still intact on the electoral rolls! In all, around 6 lakh names were missing from the rolls in Mumbai...

Now the fun part is that many known and vocal BJP supporters had their names deleted - folks like Deepak Parekh (HDFC) and Ram Jethmalani. There is a big conspiracy theory brewing out there, amongst calls for a re-poll!

Lets see how it plays out...
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did not vote. NRIs cannot, unless they are present in their home constituencies.

It has been my demand that NRIs be allowed to vote in Indian missions abroad. Every civilized country allows this.


jasepl wrote:
Add: I just heard from a friend (different constituency) who couldn't decide who to vote for and didn't want to go NOTA, so he voted for Rakhi Sawant. Idiot! Smile


Even SHE is preferable to some of the looters in the Congress, and to assorted idiots in other parties. Rakhi Sawant may be tacky and dumb, but is certainly not a thief or someone who was promoted by a political daddyji. I would choose her over Milind Deora anyday.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It has been my demand that NRIs be allowed to vote in Indian missions abroad. Every civilized country allows this.



"Civilized" is the operative word here.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did not vote as NRIs are not allowed to vote. Some web based system must be developed so that NRI/OCI/PIO card holders could vote even from outside India. After all world is a small village now.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same here. My dad and mom couldn't vote either.

But, I did my part and ensured that my relatives went out to vote. It's no wonder that my constituency has 78% polling!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sabya99 wrote:
I did not vote as NRIs are not allowed to vote. Some web based system must be developed so that NRI/OCI/PIO card holders could vote even from outside India. After all world is a small village now.


Sabya,
As far as I know, OCI/PIO can't vote because they are not Indian Citizens. India doesn't allow dual citizenship. NRIs should be able to vote by visiting nearest embassy/consulate. India is pioneer in IT development, wonder why they can't develop some system to allow millions of NRIs to vote.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We were fortunate enough to have our names still intact on the electoral rolls! In all, around 6 lakh names were missing from the rolls in Mumbai...

Now the fun part is that many known and vocal BJP supporters had their names deleted - folks like Deepak Parekh (HDFC) and Ram Jethmalani. There is a big conspiracy theory brewing out there, amongst calls for a re-poll!

Fun? Hahah! I love how the right see conspiracies everywhere!

Based on my own experience (and others I know) I think it was more a result of changes being made to one's assigned polling station.

People who had voted at the same place for years and years were reassigned to another location for some unknown reason. But they weren't all informed. Also, for some other (probably related) reason, many people did not get the voting reminder slips in the post this time. So they didn't know their location was changed. And once you showed up at your regular place, it was a disaster.

Because it was almost impossible to find your name in the hundreds of pages of printed voting lists for a location. Even if your name was there, those lists were not organised in any coherent order, so all the best.

And if your name wasn't there, then how do you know where to go instead?

I got lucky, because I didn't get a slip and I assumed, like many others, that I had to go to the same place. Luckily my friend lives just two buildings down and we've always gone and voted together. He did get a slip and so I just went to the same place and got lucky.

Delna had to go to Shivaji Park to vote and they had somehow managed to change the location for half the building but not the other half. She didn't get the slips either, but her grandfather - who's been dead nearly 20 years - did.

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It is appalling to see very low percentage of voting in both metros. People have no rights to crib about Corruption or Communalism, if they don't exercise their voting rights.

True. The mindset is disgraceful enough. And combine that with the mess I described above and I guarantee you thousands of SoBo auntie types would have turned away in 2 minutes even after showing up.

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I did not vote. NRIs cannot, unless they are present in their home constituencies.

It has been my demand that NRIs be allowed to vote in Indian missions abroad. Every civilized country allows this.

I'm sorry but I do not support that position.

My view is that the vote should be available to all adult Indian citizens resident (or physically present at the time ) in India. If one chooses to go live elsewhere, well, that's their choice.

I would take that one step further and extend the vote to foreign citizens as well, so long as they're legally resident in India, and only up to the assembly level.

So, basically:

- general elections - all Indian citizens resident in India
- all other elections - all residents of India, regardless of nationality

Non-residents, regardless of nationality, should not have a say in any election at any level.

Katrina Kaif yes, Laxmi Mittal no.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jasepl wrote:

I'm sorry but I do not support that position.

My view is that the vote should be available to all adult Indian citizens resident (or physically present at the time ) in India. If one chooses to go live elsewhere, well, that's their choice.

I would take that one step further and extend the vote to foreign citizens as well, so long as they're legally resident in India, and only up to the assembly level.

So, basically:

- general elections - all Indian citizens resident in India
- all other elections - all residents of India, regardless of nationality

Non-residents, regardless of nationality, should not have a say in any election at any level.

Katrina Kaif yes, Laxmi Mittal no.


NRIS may not live in India, but have bank accounts, own property there and pay taxes in India too. So they have every right to vote for who rules the place. A lot of NRIs are doing more for the Indian economy than some of the Indian residents, thanks to the billions they send home as remittances.

In fact, we have a greater right to vote than some of the India resident, greedy-ass business people and politicians who flout laws and evade taxes with impunity.

But I agree that legally resident foreigners in India should also get the right to vote. They have as much a stake in who rules the place as any Indian.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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jasepl wrote:

I'm sorry but I do not support that position.

My view is that the vote should be available to all adult Indian citizens resident (or physically present at the time ) in India. If one chooses to go live elsewhere, well, that's their choice.

I would take that one step further and extend the vote to foreign citizens as well, so long as they're legally resident in India, and only up to the assembly level.

So, basically:

- general elections - all Indian citizens resident in India
- all other elections - all residents of India, regardless of nationality

Non-residents, regardless of nationality, should not have a say in any election at any level.

Katrina Kaif yes, Laxmi Mittal no.


NRIS may not live in India, but have bank accounts, own property there and pay taxes in India too. So they have every right to vote for who rules the place. A lot of NRIs are doing more for the Indian economy than some of the Indian residents, thanks to the billions they send home as remittances.

In fact, we have a greater right to vote than some of the India resident, greedy-ass business people and politicians who flout laws and evade taxes with impunity.

But I agree that legally resident foreigners in India should also get the right to vote. They have as much a stake in who rules the place as any Indian.


@ The Goat, I totally agree with you. NRIs are more loyal to mother INDIA than some of the desi politicians. They must have some say in running the country.What business the cromagnon men and inner city junkies have in running INDIA .
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NRIS may not live in India, but have bank accounts, own property there and pay taxes in India too. So they have every right to vote for who rules the place. A lot of NRIs are doing more for the Indian economy than some of the Indian residents, thanks to the billions they send home as remittances.

In fact, we have a greater right to vote than some of the India resident, greedy-ass business people and politicians who flout laws and evade taxes with impunity.


I don't mean to deny or belittle those contributions at all. I'm simply saying those aren't - and shouldn't be - the criteria that make anyone eligible to vote.

Overriding those, however, is another fact. That, reasons for doing so being immaterial, a choice was made to leave the country.

(In any event, NRIs are eligible to vote. They just need to come to the motherland to do so. Truth be told, I'm not completely in favour of that either).
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jasepl wrote:
I don't mean to deny or belittle those contributions at all. I'm simply saying those aren't - and shouldn't be - the criteria that make anyone eligible to vote.

I do admit I have never heard that view before- that the idea of voting should be limited solely to Indian citizens residing in India. I had to think about it for a while.
I would agree if you were to say foreigners should be allowed to vote for city council members, a city mayor etc.
The criteria should be citizenship, not where you live or work. Now whether that's a right which can be taken away is a sticky issue (should members of our armed forces or criminals be allowed to vote?) ... that's a deeper issue but denying a citizen voting rights simply because he lives abroad is unfair (firstly you assume he/she chose to but that's not the point). Voting is (among other things) about representation. To deny that based on an address doesn't work in todays world.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stealthpilot wrote:
I would agree if you were to say foreigners should be allowed to vote for city council members, a city mayor etc.

That's pretty much what I did say:
jasepl wrote:

So, basically:

- general elections - all Indian citizens resident in India
- all other elections - all residents of India, regardless of nationality

Non-residents, regardless of nationality, should not have a say in any election at any level.


As for NRIs, they're not denied the vote. Our longstanding rules have been that NRIs are eligible and welcome to vote. They just need to come to the motherland to do it.

Whilst my opinion on NRIs having the vote is somewhat undecided, I am quite certain of my opinion on arrangements being made for them to vote at foreign missions : no. They made the choice.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voted in chennai on 24th. Painless process. Got wifes name registered a few months ago all completely online. 5 min to submit forms - someone came home to verify in 45 days - card delivered another month later.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Voted in chennai on 24th. Painless process. Got wifes name registered a few months ago all completely online. 5 min to submit forms - someone came home to verify in 45 days - card delivered another month later.

Seamless


So if you don't mind telling, whom did you vote for? Amma's Kazahagam or Thatha's kutumbam ? Wink

You don't have much of a choice in Chennai, do you?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually always vote amma. This time voted bjp. Directly.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You don't have much of a choice in Chennai, do you?

There's always a choice, wherever you are. Goonda #1 or Goonda #2 Smile
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As an OCI card holder, the item on top of my wish list from the next government will be for all those who qualify for OCI cards be given full indian citizenship including the right to hold an Indian Passport.

But I also agree that those permanently abroad (those who are no longer registered on Ration book) should NOT have the right to vote. If you want to vote, come back to India, pay taxes and earn the right to vote.

The rights of a citizen includes the right to vote but I believe it needs to earned by a sense of doing your duty by being resident and paying taxes etc etc

Full dual citizenship would be welcomed by many people in my shoes. It would bring future ethnic Indians closer to the motherland. every civilised country has a 'right of return' type citizenship laws.

here's to an aspirationL corruption free India!!! (Time to wake up now!!!)
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2014 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jasepl wrote:
That's pretty much what I did say:

Yea got it- no idea why I asked that question Confused

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The rights of a citizen includes the right to vote but I believe it needs to earned by a sense of doing your duty by being resident and paying taxes etc etc

Duty means being a resident? That may have been the case in the 18th century but in todays world to link home/work/resident/citizenship is a bit dated.
Someone shouldn't lose the right to vote simply by moving. Heck ideally an Indian should be able to vote anywhere in India, not just where they registered. Technology makes that possible but that's a different issue.

What about the workers in the Gulf or anyone else who left (still Indian mind you)? They cant vote because they chose to leave? To say everyone who left India and now live abroad (but remain Indian citizens) should be denied the vote because they chose to is completely illogical to me. They've remained Indian citizens, their vote counts.

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As an OCI card holder, the item on top of my wish list from the next government will be for all those who qualify for OCI cards be given full indian citizenship including the right to hold an Indian Passport.

You also mentioned dual citizenship? Would dual citizens be allowed to vote? How can they if they don't live in the country, unless they live in both?
Don't get me wrong, I support the idea but what you said seems contradictory.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2014 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't vote, mainly because I was an NRI until recently and haven't bothered getting a voter ID card and the such in the interim.

The names missing in Mumbai sounds more than the typical occurrence though. Somebody's dropped the ball if folks like the HDFC top honcho and Ram Jethmalani can't vote.
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stealthpilot wrote:
jasepl wrote:
That's pretty much what I did say:

Yea got it- no idea why I asked that question Confused

d3vski wrote:
The rights of a citizen includes the right to vote but I believe it needs to earned by a sense of doing your duty by being resident and paying taxes etc etc

Duty means being a resident? That may have been the case in the 18th century but in todays world to link home/work/resident/citizenship is a bit dated.
Someone shouldn't lose the right to vote simply by moving. Heck ideally an Indian should be able to vote anywhere in India, not just where they registered. Technology makes that possible but that's a different issue.

What about the workers in the Gulf or anyone else who left (still Indian mind you)? They cant vote because they chose to leave? To say everyone who left India and now live abroad (but remain Indian citizens) should be denied the vote because they chose to is completely illogical to me. They've remained Indian citizens, their vote counts.

d3vski wrote:
As an OCI card holder, the item on top of my wish list from the next government will be for all those who qualify for OCI cards be given full indian citizenship including the right to hold an Indian Passport.

You also mentioned dual citizenship? Would dual citizens be allowed to vote? How can they if they don't live in the country, unless they live in both?
Don't get me wrong, I support the idea but what you said seems contradictory.


My initial thoughts were that only Indian residents should vote but having considered it more thoroughly. I'm now of the opinion that every Indian citizen anywhere in the world should vote.

Hell, it might even mean that educated NRI types abroad can add some vital votes to counter balance vote bank politics
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Usually always vote amma. This time voted bjp. Directly.

Speaking of, did she buy the front page of every newspaper in other cities as well? Or was that only Bombay? The front page of every single one of the Sunday papers in Bombay today was basically a giant picture of Amma, with a few words of self-congratulations.

How many juicers would that fetch? Smile
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jasepl wrote:
abhigopal wrote:
Usually always vote amma. This time voted bjp. Directly.

Speaking of, did she buy the front page of every newspaper in other cities as well? Or was that only Bombay? The front page of every single one of the Sunday papers in Bombay today was basically a giant picture of Amma, with a few words of self-congratulations.

How many juicers would that fetch? Smile


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