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IAF retires the MiG-21 FL, it's first supersonic jet

 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:49 am    Post subject: IAF retires the MiG-21 FL, it's first supersonic jet Reply with quote

http://indianairforce.nic.in/show_pressrelease.php?pg_id=107&news_id=802

IAF'S FIRST SUPERSONIC JET TO BE AVIATION FOLKLORE

07-12-2013
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The deafening roar of the Mikoyan-Gurevich Mig-21 FL afterburner, an iconic delta-wing fighter aircraft that heralded the 'supersonic era' in Indian Air Force (IAF) will no longer be heard after December 11, 2013, the day it is set to fly into the annals of military aviation history.

Four Mig-21 FL aircraft flown by pilots from the Operational Conversion Unit (OCU), last abode of the venerable jets, will fly a 'box formation' as Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal NAK Browne takes salute at the ceremonial parade to bid them adieu.

Formations of Mig-27 ML and Sukhoi-30 MKI will also flypast the parade square in reverence to the legend of a fighter jet that remains the most widely exploited platform in IAF history. It also saw action in the Indo-Pak wars of 1965 and 1971.

Being limited in numbers, the Mig-21s played a restricted role in the 1965 war. They, however, played a crucial role in the 1971 war giving IAF the air superiority over vital points and areas in the western theatre.

In the first ever supersonic air combat that ensued over the sub-continent in 1971, an Indian Mig-21 FL claimed a PAF F-104 Starfighter with its internal twin-barrelled guns alone.

By end of the hostilities the IAF Mig-21s had claimed four Pakistani F-104s, two F-6s, one F-86 Sabre and a Lockheed C-130 Hercules.

The pin-point accurate attack on the Governor`s House at Dhaka by IAF pilots flying the Mig-21s proved to be a turning point in the war forcing the adversary to negotiate an eventual surrender.

The Mig-21 was also fielded in the Kargil war. It was often the first choice of commanders as it provided unmatched flexibility due its unique attributes of high agility, fast acceleration and quick turn-around.

The versatility of all the Mig-21 variants have immensely shaped the IAF operational philosophy for decades. The pilots, engineers and technicians who flew and maintained the Mig-21 have been strong proponents of its exceptional combat worthiness.

Besides accomplishing major operational feats, the Mig-21 also ushered a revolutionary enhancement in the technological and manufacturing capabilities of our indigenous aerospace industry.

With the phasing out of the Mig-21 FL, an era of relentless performance, precision deliverance and intimidating performance will also come to an end.

(Release ID :101098)

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where is this OCU; Kalaikunda?

If I remember correctly attack on Governor's house in Dhaka was carried over by Hunter squadron temporarily relocated to Jessore airbase from Kalaikunda!!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Where is this OCU; Kalaikunda?


Yes.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Air force’s ‘flying coffin’ laid to rest
- MiG-21 decommissioned after 50 chequered years

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1131212/jsp/nation/story_17671855.jsp
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Air force’s ‘flying coffin’ laid to rest
- MiG-21 decommissioned after 50 chequered years


Not quite - only the FL variant has been retired. The MiG-21 will continue with the IAF for another 10 years.

Approximately 260 MiG-21s remain in operational service in India, with the air force's Bis-model examples scheduled for retirement in 2016. However, its upgraded MiG-21 Bisons are due to be flown for another decade.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pictures-india-retires-last-mig-21fl-fighters-393999/
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pictures-india-retires-last-mig-21fl-fighters-393999/
This article has two beautiful pictures. Of course, the Mig-21 FL stars in both, but in the first one, behind the FL is one of the extremely rare Mig-25 twin-cockpit trainers. The IAF may have had just one of this rare variant; the other 7 being the conventional Mig-25 `Foxbat' recee planes from the Trisonics squadron. If the above picture is indeed from Kalaikonda, it will mark the point - the only instance when I have seen an IAF Mig-25 in flight: over IIT Kharagpur, on 12 Dec, 1995: that is exactly - yes, exactly 18 years back. The Bisons with uprated avionics, instrumentation and weapons are good fourth-generation planes. With the Hawks as the primary jet trainers, most of the Mig-21 Fishbed/Mongol trainer crashes in the hands of inexperienced pilots, would go away. I wish the HAL spares issue also goes away as soon as possible.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, this is the first time I am seeing a photo of a twin seater Mig-25! I never knew it had a "split" type cockpit.

The only place where I have seen an IAF Mig-25 is at the IAF Museum at Delhi.



Of course, the museum also has a Mig-21 FL on display


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The only place where I have seen an IAF Mig-25 is at the IAF Museum at Delhi.
Completely off-topic, but Vivek: you too have been to the IAF museum fairly recently. The An-12 wing gives it away, in the foreground. Many of us are unlucky to have missed the rarest-of-the-rare Tu-124K when it was right there! There were very few `K' models constructed, and the IAF had three - reduced to two, after the unfortunate Jorhat crash, with Morarji on board, and the crew led by the highly skilled Sq Ldr Clarence D'Lima, who made the supreme sacrifice to protect the dignitaries on board.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Air force’s ‘flying coffin’ laid to rest
- MiG-21 decommissioned after 50 chequered years

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1131212/jsp/nation/story_17671855.jsp

People from AF background can correct me, but I dont think the pilots of the Mig21 feel its a flying coffin.
Atleast publicly, they acknowledge this plane like their "elder brother" because they learnt the basics of combat flying on it, and always praised its handling and dogfighting characteristics.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The IAF may have had just one of this rare variant

vivekman wrote:
I never knew it had a "split" type cockpit.


The IAF had 2 actually, I believe they are MiG-25Us.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The IAF had 2 actually, I believe they are MiG-25Us.
My source of knowledge was one of the Jane's All The World's aircraft, which had speculated on the number (7+1), at a time when India was trying to acquire these unique planes from the erstwhile Soviet Union. I think it was the 1977-78 edition, IIRC - the planes would have come in to Bareilly in the very early 1980s. Jane's often had speculative figures as well, since much of the erstwhile Soviet Union's projects were shrouded in complete secrecy, and I used to love the Jane's editions for a sneak peak into this. There was just the one Trisonics Squadron, at Bareilly. The total of 8 I knew from defence analyst Bharath Karnad's article, which had appeared in the Illustrated Weekly of India, IIRC. A Mig-25 at Kalaikonda on 12 Dec 1995: this was confirmed by a friend who was in the IAF at that time: a visitor. You may be correct about the 6+2 number: I had not believed the Wikipedia numbers before your post above, correcting my incorrect knowledge of the same. All said and done, the Mig-25 was a sight to see in the air!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The IAF had 2 actually, I believe they are MiG-25Us.
My source of knowledge was one of the Jane's All The World's aircraft, which had speculated on the number (7+1), at a time when India was trying to acquire these unique planes from the erstwhile Soviet Union. I think it was the 1977-78 edition, IIRC - the planes would have come in to Bareilly in the very early 1980s. Jane's often had speculative figures as well, since much of the erstwhile Soviet Union's projects were shrouded in complete secrecy, and I used to love the Jane's editions for a sneak peak into this. There was just the one Trisonics Squadron, at Bareilly. The total of 8 I knew from defence analyst Bharath Karnad's article, which had appeared in the Illustrated Weekly of India, IIRC. A Mig-25 at Kalaikonda on 12 Dec 1995: this was confirmed by a friend who was in the IAF at that time: a visitor. You may be correct about the 6+2 number: I had not believed the Wikipedia numbers before your post above, correcting my incorrect knowledge of the same. All said and done, the Mig-25 was a sight to see in the air!
Cheers, Sumantra.


India originally bought 10 of the MiGs from the Soviet Union
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4892524.stm


Eight MiG-25R variants and two MiG-25U for conversion training made the Trisonics squadron a “strategic reconnaissance” unit.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/farewell-the-mignificent-flying-machine/2537/
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks for updating my incomplete information on this, Deb. So it was 8+2, after all. I would love to read the Indian Express article you have given a pointer to: unfortunately, I cannot get through on my Internet account. Can you please PM me the article? Thanks, Sumantra.
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Can you please PM me the article? Thanks, Sumantra.

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Tejas to replace MiG-21: Air Chief
http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/tejas-to-replace-mig-21-air-chief_896233.html

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Shillong: Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal NAK Browne on Thursday said that light combat aircraft 'Tejas' will replace the iconic MiG-21.

The Tejas is India's first indigenously-designed and developed Light Combat Aircraft (LCA).

"One major phase has passed over and now we look toward the new induction into the force. The LCA will replace the MiG-21," Browne told reporters at the headquarter of Eastern Air Command here.

"We will get 40 aircraft and that will be the Mark-I type. Tejas will be battle ready by end of 2014," he said.

Defence Minister AK Antony would officially hand over initiation of acceptance of the Tejas into the force at its birthplace in Bengaluru on December 20, the IAF Chief said.

Browne, accompanied by his wife Kiran, was here on a two-day farewell visit and also attended a Commanders' Conference of the Eastern Air Command.

According to Browne, works are on for developing Mark-II type 'Tejas' with improvement in radar system and other add-ons and it will be inducted into the force at a later stage.

Asked on air defence scenario in the Northeast region, Browne said, "North East area is important to us. We have plans for induction of radars for the hilly terrain. We have a series of systems that ensure that the air defence is impregnable."

He said one squadron of Sukhoi would be based in Tezpur by next year, adding that the latest squadron was being formed at Sirsa in Punjab.

On the MiG-21 FL which was phased out after 50-years of service, at a function at Kalaikunda Air base in West Bengal yesterday, Browne said, "It's been a memorable moment for the Air Force and also a watershed moment as the aircraft which trained all the fighter pilots including myself and generations of pilots."

"It has done its job. It has done well," he added.

Tejas has been developed by Defence Research and Development Organisation with Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), Bangalore, as the lead laboratory and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited as the production partner.

The MiG-21 FL -- a variant in the MiG-21 series of fighter aircraft -- that heralded the dawn of the supersonic jet era for the Indian Air Force half a century ago, on Wednesday passed into military aviation history at an emotional fly past and parade at an air base in West Bengal.

Two pairs of MiG-21 FLs took off with a deafening roar from the runway of the Kalaikunda air base at 9.45 am for one last time on Wednesday, ending a 50-year-long association with the IAF.

The jet -- that has been flown by nearly three out of every four fighter pilots of the IAF since its induction in 1963 and dealt telling blows to the Pakistan Air Force during the 1971 war -- made its final pass in a four-aircraft box formation over the tarmac area.

It was a nostalgic moment for Air Chief Marshal NAK Browne and many other weather-beaten IAF veterans who had flown the jet and experienced the distinct "kick" of its reheat, regarded by aviation experts as quite unlike any other fighter jet's "reheat" experience.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The second MiG25 U is at Air Force Academy, Dundigal near Hyderabad.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The second MiG25 U is at Air Force Academy, Dundigal near Hyderabad.
Oh Sir...a tremendous disappointment. These are all out of bounds for enthusiastic civilians like us!
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Oh Sir...a tremendous disappointment. These are all out of bounds for enthusiastic civilians like us!


I believe people at AFA are not that strict and would certainly consider your request favorably if you approach them Sir Smile
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I believe people at AFA are not that strict and would certainly consider your request favorably if you approach them Sir Smile
I'll quote you, Sir Smile However, it is not easy for a civilian to get access to even take pictures of old IAF planes even in relatively not-so-heavily-guarded installations. My moment of truth with a Mig-21FL and the Hunter island at Subroto Park came only when a Group Captain was with me. Ditto for the Mig-23BN at AFTC Jalahalli. I wish I had better light and better weather, to take pictures of the other beauties right there.
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shivendrashukla wrote:
I believe people at AFA are not that strict and would certainly consider your request favorably if you approach them Sir Smile
I'll quote you, Sir Smile However, it is not easy for a civilian to get access to even take pictures of old IAF planes even in relatively not-so-heavily-guarded installations. My moment of truth with a Mig-21FL and the Hunter island at Subroto Park came only when a Group Captain was with me. Ditto for the Mig-23BN at AFTC Jalahalli. I wish I had better light and better weather, to take pictures of the other beauties right there.
Cheers, Sumantra.


Sumantra, where is this Subroto Park? New Delhi?
It reminds me many old stories of a very young talented IAF leader lost forever too early!
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Sumantra, where is this Subroto Park? New Delhi? It reminds me many old stories of a very young talented IAF leader lost forever too early
Yes, New Delhi. Yes, it is named after the the same Air Marshall Subroto Mukherjee, who choked on a fish-bone, if the rumours are to be believed. I do not know how far this is true. The `Father of the IAF', whom we lost very early.
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Sumantra, where is this Subroto Park? New Delhi? It reminds me many old stories of a very young talented IAF leader lost forever too early
Yes, New Delhi. Yes, it is named after the the same Air Marshall Subroto Mukherjee, who choked on a fish-bone, if the rumours are to be believed. I do not know how far this is true. The `Father of the IAF', whom we lost very early.


I heard the same story from my dad as early as 1962. May be there are some truth in it. But Subroto along with Air marshal Engineer were the architect of modern jet age IAF. The transition of Spitfires to Gnat/Mystere/Hunter/Canberra's took place during his tenure. I feel proud of this Kolkata boy!
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Air Marshall Mukerjee was the first Indian Air Chief of the IAF. He and some brilliant minds were instrumental in bringing up IAF and making it such a potent force, it is today.

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