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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:20 pm    Post subject: Gulf states to detect Gay travellers Reply with quote

Gulf states to introduce medical testing on travellers to 'detect' gay people and stop them from entering the country

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449051/Gulf-states-introduce-medical-testing-travellers-detect-gay-people-stop-entering-country.html

Lol lol lol this is absolutely hilarious.

What about EK/QR employees? Will they too be barred entry? A lot of their cabin crew are openly gay. So what?

Some countries don't have anything better to do.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd love to know how this 'medical test' works. Most likely it doesn't.

How about the gays among their own citizens? Will they be prevented from entering as well?

What a ridiculous idea!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silly idea indeed.
Like everyone, it will be interesting to know how they find out whose gay and who isn't.
I think there was a different link mentioned in the Airliners.net thread ( Confused ), and there an 'update' was posted - it will be scans only for transsexuals, and not gay people.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard about this a couple of days ago, but didn't bother with details, because it's just laugh out loud retarded.
The_Goat wrote:
I'd love to know how this 'medical test' works. Most likely it doesn't.

Yah I wonder about the test too. Is it oral? Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jasepl wrote:
I heard about this a couple of days ago, but didn't bother with details, because it's just laugh out loud retarded.
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I'd love to know how this 'medical test' works. Most likely it doesn't.

Yah I wonder about the test too. Is it oral? Smile


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh my, and we all know how much Daddy Sheikh Makhtoum of Dubai loves his Emirates trolly dolly boytoys.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Gulf states to detect Gay travellers Reply with quote

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Gulf states to introduce medical testing on travellers to 'detect' gay people and stop them from entering the country

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449051/Gulf-states-introduce-medical-testing-travellers-detect-gay-people-stop-entering-country.html

Lol lol lol this is absolutely hilarious.

What about EK/QR employees? Will they too be barred entry? A lot of their cabin crew are openly gay. So what?

Some countries don't have anything better to do.


Having been in Dubai umpteen number of times over the last 8 years it is hard to miss how many Arabs would be on a look out for some same sex love ....

Its hard to sit through the whole steam and sauna routine at any hotel without being checked out or hinted at .

So clearly the Gulf states need to do the TEST on their own nationals and then maybe all of them can in joint consensus make Homosexuality legal .

Hypocrites ... !!!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like India too will start this soon. The Supreme Court has made Homosexuality illegal in India.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Supreme-Court-makes-homosexuality-a-crime-again/articleshow/27230690.cms


I'm surprised at the number of clueless Indian people who are going on and on about homosexuality being a 'western concept'. They should go to Khajuraho and see the number of sculptures with gay and lesbian themes there - all carved much before the first westerner set foot in India.
Homosexuality has been mentioned even in the Kamasutra and the Puranas. If anything, it looks like India gave it to the World!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

India, 2013.

Now even more backward than India, 2009.

And joining the ranks of the Saudis, the Iranians and the Pakistanis.

Nice company.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like the Supreme Court has left it our parliament to change the statute.

Will our parliament actually have a discussion about being Gay? Sex education in general is an uncomfortable topic, imagine them discussing about gay and lesbians.

Tamil Nadu recently seems to be taking efforts to bring transgenders into the mainstream. They allowed one transgender to choose a gender of choice on an application form, so that the person in question became eligible to take an examination.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do people want SC to do? Make Indian society like this ?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/6-year-old-US-boy-suspended-for-kissing-a-girl/articleshow/27231725.cms

The way our hypersensitive english media is behaving, this might well be the case. The same media has no qualms about posting an extremely provocative and vulgar Cover page poster for the latest edition of India Today. And then they talk about male provocation and lusting.

The point is, everything has to be looked at in balance. One cannot continue to be provocative, even vulgar (e.g Indian film item songs) and feign innocence and victimhood to hide under blatantly one-sided laws.

Specifically to the case, all that SC has said is that the law itself is valid, but Parliament can look at it. They have to look at the balance of laws in context of the society at large. Tomorrow, activists may talk about same-sex marriage, as a life-style option. And who knows what else ?
Somebody may say that having sex with a horse is part of a persons lifestyle.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is wrong in activists asking for same sex folks to get married? Hope they do, and hope our country will allow it.

Btw, Loving someone who is the same gender as oneself and wanting to marry them is not a "life style" option!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What do people want SC to do? Make Indian society like this ?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/6-year-old-US-boy-suspended-for-kissing-a-girl/articleshow/27231725.cms

The way our hypersensitive english media is behaving, this might well be the case. The same media has no qualms about posting an extremely provocative and vulgar Cover page poster for the latest edition of India Today. And then they talk about male provocation and lusting.

The point is, everything has to be looked at in balance. One cannot continue to be provocative, even vulgar (e.g Indian film item songs) and feign innocence and victimhood to hide under blatantly one-sided laws.

Specifically to the case, all that SC has said is that the law itself is valid, but Parliament can look at it. They have to look at the balance of laws in context of the society at large. Tomorrow, activists may talk about same-sex marriage, as a life-style option. And who knows what else ?
Somebody may say that having sex with a horse is part of a persons lifestyle.


You can always migrate to Saudi Arabia. You would be safe from such "provocations".

Banning and hiding stuff is not the solution. The more forbidden something is, the more lucrative it seems.

You are happy with way you live, eat and have sex.. good. But do not try to impose that on everyone else. These are personal choices.

LGBT is not a foreign or "western" creation as you would like to believe. If you think this is a sin and unnatural, I am sure you would stop worshipping Lord Shiva and Vishnu. After all they were in a same-sex relationship (or a transgender one at best) before begetting Lord Ayyappa. Hinduism has traditionally been tolerant of alternate genders and sexuality. You can find a lot of examples of this (like Shikhandi, Brihandalla or in ancient temple sculptures). Well we worship a penis and vagina for heavensake!!

What you are supporting right now is a prudish Victorian mentality that has been chucked in its native country itself. For someone who is known to virulent abt patriotism, it is strange that you are all for English morals over Indian tradition.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For someone who is known to virulent abt patriotism

hi there Bala !!,
well, not quite virulent, but I get it Wink

I'd like to know, what indeed constitutes a lifestyle choice ?
Where does it end? Someone might say that watching/downloading sex movies involving minors is not a crime as long as they dont indulge in the act themselves. But there are lines drawn to all sorts of freedom.

Today there are cases in India where people , particularly children are getting depressed if they do not receive "likes" on FB.
And this is not the odd case I am talking about.
I suppose getting children hooked on FB constitutes a lifestyle choice.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Life style choice is when one chooses out of many options the one that they prefer. Like being a Vegan or a Vegetarian. No one is forcing one to be either a vegan or a vegetarian, it is a choice they make and choose to live that way.

Being gay is where one is biologically attracted to someone of the same gender. A gay person does not pick the gender that sexually attracts them! So it is not a choice, but how they are born.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssbmat wrote:
What do people want SC to do? Make Indian society like this ?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/6-year-old-US-boy-suspended-for-kissing-a-girl/articleshow/27231725.cms

The way our hypersensitive english media is behaving, this might well be the case. The same media has no qualms about posting an extremely provocative and vulgar Cover page poster for the latest edition of India Today. And then they talk about male provocation and lusting.

The point is, everything has to be looked at in balance. One cannot continue to be provocative, even vulgar (e.g Indian film item songs) and feign innocence and victimhood to hide under blatantly one-sided laws.

Specifically to the case, all that SC has said is that the law itself is valid, but Parliament can look at it. They have to look at the balance of laws in context of the society at large. Tomorrow, activists may talk about same-sex marriage, as a life-style option. And who knows what else ?
Somebody may say that having sex with a horse is part of a persons lifestyle.


Only imbeciles bring up bestiality in this context.

You, Sir, are an imbecile.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssbmat wrote:
What do people want SC to do? Make Indian society like this ?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/6-year-old-US-boy-suspended-for-kissing-a-girl/articleshow/27231725.cms



Indian society is already far worse than that , thank you. At least the kid was only suspended.

In parts of India he would have been lynched, more often than not, by other jealous losers who didn't have the gumption to kiss the girl. Then the SC or the other subordinate courts would take decades to come to an agreement.

But coming back to the discussion , who are the SC/Govt to dictate what sort of relationships consenting adults should have with each other, or which mature adult is to marry whom, in a democratic state?

If the SC is ok with consanguineous marriages (very common in India and far more harmful than any Gay marriage will ever be, IMO), they should not have any problem with Gay marriages or homosexuality. If they are using their heads , that is.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jaysit wrote:
Only imbeciles bring up bestiality in this context.

You, Sir, are an imbecile.


Heartily seconded.

Our friend outdoes himself by mentioning both bestiality and child pornography in his rebuttal. I shall take it as a valuable early warning of contagious stupidity.
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Jaysit wrote:
ssbmat wrote:
What do people want SC to do? Make Indian society like this ?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/6-year-old-US-boy-suspended-for-kissing-a-girl/articleshow/27231725.cms

The way our hypersensitive english media is behaving, this might well be the case. The same media has no qualms about posting an extremely provocative and vulgar Cover page poster for the latest edition of India Today. And then they talk about male provocation and lusting.

The point is, everything has to be looked at in balance. One cannot continue to be provocative, even vulgar (e.g Indian film item songs) and feign innocence and victimhood to hide under blatantly one-sided laws.

Specifically to the case, all that SC has said is that the law itself is valid, but Parliament can look at it. They have to look at the balance of laws in context of the society at large. Tomorrow, activists may talk about same-sex marriage, as a life-style option. And who knows what else ?
Somebody may say that having sex with a horse is part of a persons lifestyle.


Only imbeciles bring up bestiality in this context.

You, Sir, are an imbecile.


Just because I dont support a largely minority oriented issue, doesnt give you the right to make personal comments. Please keep your response dignified. If you have to make a comment on a general proposition, your comment should be appropriately addressed.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For someone who is known to virulent abt patriotism

hi there Bala !!,
well, not quite virulent, but I get it Wink

I'd like to know, what indeed constitutes a lifestyle choice ?
Where does it end? Someone might say that watching/downloading sex movies involving minors is not a crime as long as they dont indulge in the act themselves. But there are lines drawn to all sorts of freedom.

Today there are cases in India where people , particularly children are getting depressed if they do not receive "likes" on FB.
And this is not the odd case I am talking about.
I suppose getting children hooked on FB constitutes a lifestyle choice.


The operational words here are - "Consenting" , "Adults" and "Humans". Where do u see a problem in that? If two adult human beings, capable of taking decisions, consent to love each other irrespective of gender - how is it an infringement of freedom?! As they say.

Being gay is not a matter of choice. I dont think you wake up morning and decide you are gay - it is a natural tendency.

What is indeed a choice - is whether you wish to accept that natural trait of yours or conform to societal norms and suppress your natural basic instincts ruthlessly and turn up on forums spewing homophobic venom.

BTW I havent heard anyone speak abt this - Sec 377 actually criminalizes oral sex even if it happens between a straight as an arrow legally wedded husband and wife. So married folks beware Smile
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[quote=]BTW I havent heard anyone speak abt this - Sec 377 actually criminalizes oral sex even if it happens between a straight as an arrow legally wedded husband and wife. So married folks beware Smile[/quote]

If I am not wrong Sec 377 criminalizes any sexual activity that is "unnatural" and not intended for procreation. So according to one of my friends who studied at NLSIU, if we go by the exact definition any sexual act where contraceptives are used can be deemed criminal on technicality. Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssbmat wrote:
Specifically to the case, all that SC has said is that the law itself is valid, but Parliament can look at it. They have to look at the balance of laws in context of the society at large. Tomorrow, activists may talk about same-sex marriage, as a life-style option. And who knows what else ?
Somebody may say that having sex with a horse is part of a persons lifestyle.

O god you're not one of those who thinks legalizing gay sex (woman or man) will lead to legalising bestiality are you Rolling Eyes

Exactly, the SC has said the law is valid which is a huge let down.

justbala wrote:
BTW I havent heard anyone speak abt this - Sec 377 actually criminalizes oral sex even if it happens between a straight as an arrow legally wedded husband and wife. So married folks beware Smile

The way I read it .... 377 criminalises anything but penal-vaginal intercourse. Which technically probably means oral sex is a criminal offence.
Good thing im not a lawyer ......
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What is indeed a choice - is whether you wish to accept that natural trait of yours or conform to societal norms and suppress your natural basic instincts ruthlessly and turn up on forums spewing homophobic venom.


Ok, so agreeing with SC verdict is akin to spewing venom ?? It looks like people want to just join the bandwagon here simply because it is cool and pc to support rights of alternatively oriented people. They simply wont accept a contrarian view.
Its the same in the TV media. There was this one person who was agreeing with the SC verdict and another, who had the appearance of a woman and the voice of a man , who in a blatant display of bad manners, started to shout " shut up, keep quiet"..totally unprovoked.
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Alternatively oriented? Alternative lifestyle?

This is getting a bit ridiculous...
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Grim to be Gay:

India is there along with most of Africa and the middle east! Nice Company!

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2013/12/daily-chart-15
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What is indeed a choice - is whether you wish to accept that natural trait of yours or conform to societal norms and suppress your natural basic instincts ruthlessly and turn up on forums spewing homophobic venom.


Ok, so agreeing with SC verdict is akin to spewing venom ??


Equating love between two consenting adults to child pornography and bestiality is not just akin to, but actually spewing venom.
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ssbmat wrote:
justbala wrote:


What is indeed a choice - is whether you wish to accept that natural trait of yours or conform to societal norms and suppress your natural basic instincts ruthlessly and turn up on forums spewing homophobic venom.


Ok, so agreeing with SC verdict is akin to spewing venom ?? It looks like people want to just join the bandwagon here simply because it is cool and pc to support rights of alternatively oriented people. They simply wont accept a contrarian view.
Its the same in the TV media. There was this one person who was agreeing with the SC verdict and another, who had the appearance of a woman and the voice of a man , who in a blatant display of bad manners, started to shout " shut up, keep quiet"..totally unprovoked.


It's not a matter of being cool or pc. Only a person who's completely childish and unworldly would perceive the issue through that lens. It's a matter of people's basic civil rights, their privacy, and who they choose to love, all issues that honestly are none of your goddamned business.

And, no, your views are NOT contrarian. Homophobia and bigotry based on homophobia isn't a respected contrarian view. It's a view that's been relegated to the dustbin of history, much like those that are based in sexism, misogyny and racism.

I am glad that your views - at least on this board - are in the minority. It gives me hope that the young in India will eventually sweep away the cobwebs of primitive, unexamined thinking that's keeping the country behind in so many ways.
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Jaysit wrote:
It gives me hope that the young in India will eventually sweep away the cobwebs of primitive, unexamined thinking that's keeping the country behind in so many ways.

Just adding to this .... I'm glad (and surprised) at how much support this issue is getting. There's a lot more urban support than I figured--- and not just from the Facebook posting social media types...
A few big shot politicians have spoken out against the supreme court verdict as well. Too little too late but there's hope.
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