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avbuff · Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031

Top to bottom order, while % is same, topmost would have more market size and can vary from 0 to 5000 pax

Airline:TOTAL AIRLINE
Origin:BANGALORE
Pos:WORLDWIDE
Document Type:TOTAL
Time:OCT2014

YTD. BKG % MAT. BKG %
WORLDWIDE 100% 100%
        DUBAI 6% 6%
        LONDON 6% 6%
        NEW YORK 5% 4%
        SINGAPORE 4% 4%
        SAN FRANCISCO 4% 4%
        BANGKOK 4% 4%
        COLOMBO 3% 3%
        CHICAGO 3% 3%
        HONG KONG 2% 2%
        JEDDAH 2% 2%
        MUSCAT 2% 2%
        FRANKFURT 2% 2%
        PARIS 2% 2%
        RIYADH 2% 2%
        DOHA 2% 1%
        KUALA LUMPUR 1% 1%
        TOKYO 1% 1%
        SYDNEY 1% 1%
        LOS ANGELES 1% 1%
        WASHINGTON 1% 1%
        MELBOURNE 1% 1%
        ABU DHABI 1% 1%
        DAMMAM 1% 1%
        SHANGHAI 1% 1%
        SEOUL 1% 1%
        DALLAS/FORT WORTH 1% 1%
        BOSTON 1% 1%
        AMSTERDAM 1% 1%
        TORONTO 1% 1%
        KUWAIT 1% 1%
        MALE 1% 1%
        SEATTLE 1% 1%
        ATLANTA 1% 1%
        KATHMANDU 1% 1%
        HOUSTON 1% 1%
        PHUKET 1% 1%
        MANCHESTER 1% 1%
        MANILA 1% 1%
        ZURICH 1% 1%
        MUNICH 1% 1%

avbuff · Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031

BLR SFO MS break up

Pos:WORLDWIDE
Origin:BANGALORE
Destination:SAN FRANCISCO
Document Type:TOTAL
Time:OCT2014

YTD BKG % MAT BKG %
TOTAL AIRLINE 100% 100%
    CATHAY PACIFIC AIRWAYS LTD - CX 29% 30%
    EMIRATES - EK 27% 27%
    SINGAPORE AIRLINES - SQ 12% 11%
    BRITISH AIRWAYS PLC - BA 8% 10%
    DEUTSCHE LUFTHANSA - LH 11% 10%
    UNITED AIRLINES INC. - UA 9% 9%
    AIR FRANCE - AF 3% 2%
    ETIHAD AIRWAYS - EY 0% 0%
    VIRGIN ATLANTIC AIRWAYS - VS 0% 0%
    KLM - ROYAL DUTCH AIRLINES - KL 0% 0%

avbuff · Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031

LH traffic break up ex BLR

Pos:WORLDWIDE
Document Type:TOTAL
Time:OCT2014

YTD.BKG% MAT.BKG%
WORLDWIDE 100% 100%
        FRANKFURT 9% 10%
        CHICAGO 6% 6%
        NEW YORK 6% 5%
        SAN FRANCISCO 5% 4%
        WASHINGTON 5% 4%
        DETROIT 4% 4%
        TORONTO 3% 3%
        STUTTGART 3% 3%
        DALLAS/FORT WORTH 2% 2%
        BOSTON 3% 2%
        ATLANTA 2% 2%
        AMSTERDAM 2% 2%
        STOCKHOLM 2% 2%
        COPENHAGEN 2% 2%
        HOUSTON 2% 2%
        MUNICH 2% 2%
        DENVER 1% 2%
        PHILADELPHIA 1% 1%
        LONDON 2% 1%
        GOTHENBURG 1% 1%

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avbuff · Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031

Yes, you are right. Because of the highly fragmented markets, it is difficult for Indian carriers to make long haul out of BLR work.

Even in terms of absolute numbers the volume isn't that too much to launch further more services like BLR NRT which I have come across in some publications online.

Jaysit · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346

It's interesting that Europe accounts for only about 23% of LH's traffic out of BLR. The rest is all headed to the US.

abhijith16 · Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:18 am Post subject:

Is it just me or does anyone think that CX should takeover ops from KA at BLR? Might improve their premium offering on that route.

They could takeover KA's HKG-BLR in exchange for HKG-CMB/MLE....
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justbala · Member Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 1898 Location: Bangalore

Thanks for the figures ex-BLR.I think these are stats that we kinda already suspected Smile

Ojas- how would u account for passengers from BLR travelling via BOM/DEL on say AI/9W? Are they considered under O&D under BLR or under BOM/DEL?

For e.g. - BLR-BOM-BRU-EWR on 9W or BLR-DEL-ORD on AI.

avbuff · Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031

justbala · Member Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 1898 Location: Bangalore

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avbuff · Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031

This is for the month of April to October '14

* MAT % is the MS for last 12 months .... Oct'13 to Oct'14

* Regret unable to disclose absolute numbers

* Details of the start and end are on top stating originating in BLR and ending in SFO and originating in BLR and top 40 destinations originating in BLR.

The_Goat · Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:20 pm Post subject:

iah87 · Member Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 2567

It is interesting to note that LH carries more traffic to Chicago and New York than SFO from BLR.

UA has 9% of SFO traffic - is this on LH metal using UA codeshare or connecting flights from BOM or DEL. If it is on LH metal, then LH share will be much higher.

Caliguy · Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:51 pm Post subject:

avbuff · Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031

Data analysed is from Oct'13 to Oct'14

* Of the total traffic between BLR and SFO; 88% is in Y class, 11% is in J class and 1% in F class.

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* Of the total Y class traffic between BLR and SFO .... LH carries 9% of the traffic; EK carries 25% and CX carries 32% of the traffic

* Of the total J class traffic between BLR and SFO .... LH carries 13% of the traffic EK carries 43% of the traffic and CX carries 17%

* Of the total F class traffic between BLR and SFO.... LH carries 59% of the traffic, EK carries 20% and CX carries 4%

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Just in case you feel that how come CX gets F ... its basically a F class fare basis and J seating on BLR HKG but with all the perks of F class passengers.

Karan69 · Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 1334

Nice information there Ojas, contradicts something i read on another website about LH and the BLR SFO express,

EK certainly has the lion share of the premium traffic, and this should only improve with a380 services starting on the sector

Not to mention multiple daily departures and chauffer service would be one of the biggest advantages EK has over LH

Thanks for the numbers

Karan

justbala · Member Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 1898 Location: Bangalore

I am guessing the lions share of the premium traffic between BLR and SFO is J ad F is miniscule.

If the traffic is mostly corporate, the senior management in most companies are eligible for J (and this is becoming an exception rather than the norm). Not sure who travels F (Maybe Narayana Murthy's grandkid's nanny - yep she flew F class from BLR to LAX on BA, when his daughter had a kid. The travel agent at Infy was enthusiastic abt booking that rare First class ticket,before he had to hunt for ultra cheapo deep discounted Y fares for my travel!!)

Caliguy · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:45 pm Post subject:

OK so just curious could you run the BLR-SFO analysis for US origin pax (i.e. tickets that were purchased in america). I am curious to see what hold EK has on US origin pax especially in J class given how premium pax in the US need their miles.

Thanks,

avbuff · Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031

Nimish · Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:50 pm Post subject:

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Nimish · Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:05 pm Post subject:

justbala · Member Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 1898 Location: Bangalore

Nimish · Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:16 pm Post subject:

B-HOX · Member Joined: 10 Dec 2014 Posts: 7

With these intriguing stats, can we further have Cathay / Dragon's top markets from BLR & the top Indian markets to / from SFO PLEASE?

I'm finding it tough to justify how folks are signing up for CX over even the luxurious whale jets on EK - is this better fares or better FFP on CX or something else? EK's timing is slightly shorter than CX, so it can't be that. Cathay's economy service is not something highly raved about (that would be SQ)...

I've seen many times when most of the plane from KA153 disembark, transit & walk straight to CX870 & this is not exaggerated. Fares must be.

Clearly Bangalore Express is long gone and replaced by the Silk Route via HKG.

It was long anecdotal, going by the numbers. Did LH sponsor the mercury news article?

Will be interesting to see what traffic EY steals away - will it be the UA/ LH combo that loses, or their neighbor EK who loses pax share?

EK will have to share, but LH will further let go its current stronghold with EY's discounted F/J fares.

star*gold · Member Joined: 29 Jan 2009 Posts: 187

Cathay does seem to have some good prices.

While this is not to SFO...I am headed to Chicago in January and they were the cheapest on the dates I was looking for.

MAA to ORD, with just a 2 hour transit time in HKG on the way there and I think an euqally short transit time on the way back.

Caliguy · Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:36 pm Post subject:

avbuff · Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031

Nimish,

Are you looking for LH UA numbers ex- BLR to top 20 destinations?

If so give me sometime I'll post it over the weekend.

B-HOX · Member Joined: 10 Dec 2014 Posts: 7

Sorry, may we please have Dragonair's top destinations from BLR & SFO's top indian originators? Please take your time, no hurries.

Nimish · Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:50 pm Post subject:

Nimish · Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:05 am Post subject:

B-HOX · Member Joined: 10 Dec 2014 Posts: 7

Nimish · Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 6:40 pm Post subject:

avbuff · Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031

Ok here goes

I. Top destinations from BLR on United Airlines

Mind you the absoulte numbers are very less and UA carries less than 20 PDEW overall ex BLR

Airline:UNITED AIRLINES INC. - UA
Origin:BANGALORE
Pos:WORLDWIDE
Document Type:TOTAL
Time:NOV2014

YTD.BKG MS% MAT. BKG %
WORLDWIDE 100% 100%
SAN FRANCISCO44% 44%
        NEW YORK 32% 32%
        HOUSTON 7% 6%
        WASHINGTON 2% 2%
        CHICAGO 2% 1%
        LOS ANGELES 1% 1%
        DENVER 1% 1%
        LONDON 1% 1%
        TORONTO 1% 1%
        PHOENIX 0% 1%

II. Top markets ex BLR on CX

well CX is clearly the new BLR SFO express . Of the total traffic carried by CX, 51% is to SFO.

Pos:WORLDWIDE
Document Type:TOTAL
Time:NOV2014

YTD.MS% MAT.MS%
WORLDWIDE 100% 100%
        SAN FRANCISCO 50% 51%
        LOS ANGELES 18% 17%
        CHICAGO 8% 7%
        MELBOURNE 5% 4%
        VANCOUVER 3% 3%
        SYDNEY 2% 3%
        NEW YORK 2% 2%
        BRISBANE 1% 1%
        HONG KONG 1% 1%
        SAN DIEGO 1% 1%
        TORONTO 1% 1%
        AUCKLAND 0% 1%
        DALLAS/FORT WORTH 0% 0%
        PERTH 0% 0%
        SAN JOSE 0% 0%
        PORTLAND 0% 0%
        LAS VEGAS 0% 0%
        PHOENIX 0% 0%
        GUADALAJARA 0% 0%
        ST LOUIS 0% 0

B-HOX · Member Joined: 10 Dec 2014 Posts: 7

Thanx a ton, was just wondering if SFO features in the top 5 ports for EK ex BLR.

as stated, Ive clearly seen on many instances close to 90% of the BLR dragonair flight connecting to the CX SFO flight.

avbuff · Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031

Well of the traffic EK carries, 33% is to DXB; 7% to LON; 6% to SFO; 5% to NYC and 3 % each to SEA and LAX.

Nimish · Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 12:46 pm Post subject:

^^ Thanks for all the updates Ojas - this is truly eye-opening.

I wonder if UA could have launched a tag on from it's SFO-HKG flights - they could have have had a much better showing than right now!
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me111993 · Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD