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 Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:25 am Post subject: Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 pax |
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| Quote: | (Reuters) - A Malaysia Airlines flight carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing lost contact with air traffic controllers early on Saturday, the airline said in a statement, the plane likely missing in Vietnamese airspace.
Flight MH370, operating a Boeing B777-200 aircraft left Kuala Lumpur at 12.21 a.m. (11.21 a.m. ET Friday) and had been expected to land in the Chinese capital at 6.30 a.m. (5.30 p.m. ET) the same day.
"We deeply regret that we have lost all contacts with flight MH370," Malaysia Airlines Chief Executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said in a statement.
"Malaysia Airlines is currently working with the authorities who have activated their search-and-rescue teams to locate the aircraft," it said.
An official at the Civil Aviation Authority of Vietnam (CAAV) said the plane had failed to check in as scheduled at 1721 GMT (12.21 p.m. ET) while it was flying over the sea between Malaysia and Ho Chi Minh city.
"Its code didn't appear in our system," Bui Van Vo, the CAAV's flight control department manager, told Reuters by telephone.
China's official Xinhua news agency also quoted the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) as saying the flight lost contact while flying through Vietnamese airspace.
The CAAC said 158 Chinese nationals were on board the plane. China's aviation regulators said they had not received any signals from the plane and that there had been no reports of any aircraft crashing in Chinese waters.
"We are extremely worried," Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi told reporters in Beijing. "We are doing all we can to get details. The news is very disturbing. We hope everyone on the plane is safe."
Chinese state TV also said there had not been any immediate reports of a plane crashing in Chinese waters.
If the plane is found to have crashed, the loss would mark the second fatal accident involving a Boeing 777 in less than a year, after an unblemished safety record since the jet entered service in 1995.
Last summer, an Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crash-landed in San Francisco, killing three passengers.
Boeing said it was aware of reports that the Malaysia Airlines plane was missing and was monitoring the situation but had no further comment.
Malaysia Airlines said it was contacting the families of those on board flight MH370 and had set up support facilities for those affected.
"Focus of the airline is to work with the emergency responders and authorities and mobilize its full support," the airline statement said.
"Our thoughts and prayers are with all affected passengers and crew and their family members."
Distressed family members of those on board had also begun gathering at Beijing airport on Saturday.
Chang Ken Fei, a Malaysian waiting at Beijing airport for friends to arrive, said: "I got here at seven (a.m.). At first I thought the plane was just delayed as normal, so I came a bit later, I've just been waiting and waiting.
"I asked them what was going on but they just tell us 'we don't know'." |
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/08/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140308
Terrible stuff.
My prayers are with all the families, friends and relatives of the passengers onboard..
This could be the second fatal 777 accident, just under a year after OZ214 in SFO...
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(Posted in Civil Aviation as the OZ214 crash was covered here as well..) |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Official statement from Malaysia Airlines
| Quote: | Ladies and Gentlemen, we are deeply saddened this morning with the news on MH370.
Malaysia Airlines confirms that flight MH370 had lost contact with Subang Air Traffic Control at 2.40am, today. There has been speculation that the aircraft has landed at Nanming. We are working to verify the authenticity of the report and others.
Flight MH370 was operated on a Boeing 777-200 aircraft. It departed Kuala Lumpur at 12.41 am earlier this morning bound for Beijing. The aircraft was scheduled to land at Beijing International Airport at 6.30am local Beijing time.
The flight was carrying a total number of 239 passengers and crew – comprising 227 passengers (including 2 infants), 12 crew members. The passengers were of 14 different nationalities - citizens from:-
1. China – 152 plus 1 infant
2. Malaysia - 38
3. Indonesia - 12
4. Australia - 7
5. France - 3
6. United States of America – 3 pax plus 1 infant
7. New Zealand - 2
8. Ukraine - 2
9. Canada - 2
10. Russia - 1
11. Italy - 1
12. Taiwan - 1
13. Netherlands - 1
14. Austria - 1
This flight was a code share with China Southern Airlines.
We are working with authorities who have activated their Search and Rescue team to locate the aircraft.
Our team is currently calling the next-of-kin of passengers and crew.
The flight was piloted by Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, a Malaysian aged 53. He has a total flying hours of 18,365hours. He joined Malaysia Airlines in 1981. First officer, Fariq Ab.Hamid, a Malaysian, is aged 27. He has a total flying hours of 2,763 hours. He joined Malaysia Airlines in 2007.
Our focus now is to work with the emergency responders and authorities and mobilize its full support. Our thoughts and prayers are with all affected passengers and crew and their family members.
The airline will provide regular updates on the situation. The public may contact +603 7884 1234. For media queries, kindly contact +603 8777 5698/ +603 8787 1276.
Next-of-kin may head to the Support Facility Building at KLIA’s South Support Zone. For directions, call 03 8787 1269. |
http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/dark-site.html |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| basheer1211 wrote: | There has been speculation that the aircraft has landed at Nanming. We are working to verify the authenticity of the report and others.
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| ELT signals picked up in South Vietnam/Thailand border area |
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thats been denied by Vietnam.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| me111993 wrote: | | thats been denied by Vietnam. |
Tuoi Tre, a leading daily in Vietnam, reports that the Vietnamese Navy has confirmed the plane crashed into the ocean. According to Navy Admiral Ngo Van Phat, Commander of the Region 5, military radar recorded that the plane crashed into the sea at a location 153 miles South of Phu Quoc island.
http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraft-goes-missing--says-airline-023820132.html
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Echoes of AF447 ??
Its a bit scary that airplanes are lost while in cruise phase in a snap. I wonder how many such cases have happened during cruise that the pilots did not have time to signal emergency..
AF447 , EgyptAir 990, AI 182 and am not sure about the SilkAir flight.
Apart, of course, from the Comet-1s back in the 50s. |
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RIP !
Wonder what the cause could have been. Very sad, in any case.
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Some more info from the press here in Singapore
Most likely another case of impossible black box retrieval
UPDATE [7:20pm]:Highlights from MH370 press conference, attended by PM Najib Razak:
1. Vietnam navy confirms no evidence of wreckage.
2. 15 aircraft, close to 10 ships in search and rescue operations.
3. Search area expanded within South China Sea. Help from USA, China, Singapore & Vietnam.
4. Najib says satelite imagery cannot be used as it cannot detect anything below water surface.
5. Aircraft manufacturers and FAA have offered help.
6. Najib says rescue operations will continue for as long as it takes.
7. Najib spoke to Chinese Premier Li Keqiang and sent his condolences as 153 passengers were Chinese nationals. The Premier says China will help in rescue operations.
8. MAS will arrange flights for family members to Beijing if requested, and for Chinese nationals to Kuala Lumpur.
9. Najib requests that the public do not indulge in speculation. "We can't make conclusions, we are investigating all theories".
10. Dept of Civil Aviation received a call when MH370 went missing at 2.40am; Vietnam airport authorities acknowledged the plane entered its airspace at 1.30am before subsequently losing contact. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Is it confirmed that there were 5 Indian nationals as well in this flight?
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| G-BYGB wrote: | Is it confirmed that there were 5 Indian nationals as well in this flight?
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Yeah it is confirmed. Below is the statement from MH.
| Quote: | | Please take note that the earlier statement did not include the number of Indian nationals. This was due to confusion between the country code of Indonesia and India |
They also released passenger manifest. Indians are
1. Chetana Kolekar (55)
2. Swanand Kolekar (23)
3. Vinod Kolekar (59)
4. Chandrikams Sharma (51)
5. Kranti Shirsath (44) |
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This has brought back the terrorist angle to the list of possible causes, something that was ruled out earlier.
I remember that even in the Charkhi Dadri incident, quite a few of the people on the Saudia plane had been carrying fake passports.
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As of now, there is no report interms of whether there was any technical glitches or bad weather over the gulf of Thailand, that might have caused this incident.
So terrorist attack cannot be ruled out. Looking at the recent attack in a train station in China, there could be a possibility of this attack targeted against China.
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| The_Goat wrote: | | I remember that even in the Charkhi Dadri incident, quite a few of the people on the Saudia plane had been carrying fake passports. |
Sir, do you suggest some other reason for the Charkhi Dadri disaster, or is it that you are just mentioning fake passports as something that happens almost everywhere? |
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| sumantra wrote: | | Sir, do you suggest some other reason for the Charkhi Dadri disaster, or is it that you are just mentioning fake passports as something that happens almost everywhere? |
Mentioning fake passports as something that happens everywhere, particularly in Asia.
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| The_Goat wrote: | | Mentioning fake passports as something that happens everywhere, particularly in Asia. |
Thanks, Sir. |
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| G-BYGB wrote: | As of now, there is no report interms of whether there was any technical glitches or bad weather over the gulf of Thailand, that might have caused this incident.
So terrorist attack cannot be ruled out. Looking at the recent attack in a train station in China, there could be a possibility of this attack targeted against China. |
bad weather shouldn't be the issue as plane was flying over the clouds.
Moreover, the Charkhi Dadri incident was because Boeing was in metric system and Russian plane was in English system..
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bad weather shouldn't be the issue as plane was flying over the clouds.
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Sir, tell that to the front office of AF447!
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| Quote: | | Sir, tell that to the front office of AF447! |
It seems from the accident report that the Front office staff of AF447 flew a perfectly flyable airplane into the ocean because of their inability to deal with stick-and-rudder principles.
The weather was really not such a big issue at all. |
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The thing that is really shocking is as to why it is taking them so long to locate the wreckage. This was also the case with AF447.
Isn't it weird that with all the technologies available in the form of ELTs, we still have to rely on the WWII style manual surveillance using planes, boats, helicopters and visual reports?
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What if they never find the plane??
Unless MS and Chinese authorities are already on to something and have taken the rest of the searching countries into confidence before declaring stuff, there exists a possibility that they never may find anything. Has happened in couple of the Bermuda triangle cases where the aircraft was never found. |
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| ssbmat wrote: | | Quote: | | Sir, tell that to the front office of AF447! |
It seems from the accident report that the Front office staff of AF447 flew a perfectly flyable airplane into the ocean because of their inability to deal with stick-and-rudder principles.
The weather was really not such a big issue at all. |
Perfectly flyable airplane 
Pitot Tubes froze over  Total Loss Of Airspeed Info. Dark Featureless Terrain in the middle of the night A Doldrum-Thunderstorm of gigantic proportions
Now try to discount weather from the picture!
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In many ways, this incident does indeed have a lot of parallels with the AF 447 mishap from 2009, at least during its initial stages of investigation.
Then again, I suppose you can't completely write off the terror angle either.
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| Optimus.Prime wrote: | | ssbmat wrote: | | Quote: | | Sir, tell that to the front office of AF447! |
It seems from the accident report that the Front office staff of AF447 flew a perfectly flyable airplane into the ocean because of their inability to deal with stick-and-rudder principles.
The weather was really not such a big issue at all. |
Perfectly flyable airplane
Pitot Tubes froze over Total Loss Of Airspeed Info. Dark Featureless Terrain in the middle of the night A Doldrum-Thunderstorm of gigantic proportions
Now try to discount weather from the picture! |
We are digressing, but I believe the airspeed indications had come back on after the initial phase of the descent/dive. The PIC simply did not let go of the stick that he had pulled back. And when he did relinquish the control, it was too late.
The thunderstorm could have been navigated had they kept the plane on an even keel. |
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| Optimus.Prime wrote: | | ssbmat wrote: | | Quote: | | Sir, tell that to the front office of AF447! |
It seems from the accident report that the Front office staff of AF447 flew a perfectly flyable airplane into the ocean because of their inability to deal with stick-and-rudder principles.
The weather was really not such a big issue at all. |
Perfectly flyable airplane
Pitot Tubes froze over Total Loss Of Airspeed Info. Dark Featureless Terrain in the middle of the night A Doldrum-Thunderstorm of gigantic proportions
Now try to discount weather from the picture! |
Vinish, sir, there was something off about the AF crash too, right?
The stick priority was towards the second officer who kept on pulling back with out any knowledge of the first officer. The pulling up, for such a long period itself is questionable? no? without pushing the throttles up?
I dont want to divert and ofcourse im purely speculating, but would love your (Nikhil?, and saurabh?)s views on this.
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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-passengers-mobile-phones-ring-not-answered-1439560
| Quote: | | The mystery surrounding the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has deepened with the Chinese media reporting that several of the passengers' mobile phones were connecting when called by relatives, but the calls were not picked up. |
Did this happen in the case of AF447? I find it strange that mobile phones are picking up a signal if the plane had indeed, crashed into the sea.
Is it possible for this to happen?
Sadly though, as pointed out I too don't think that there is much hope for the safe return of the souls on board MH370.
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So four days and still absolutely nothing, even with groups from a dozen different countries (including - finally! - India, even if it's as an afterthought) involved in the search.
That leads me to believe it's one big CIA plot. The Americans have threatened/bullied/coerced/"convinced" some poor country in the region to let the plane land and keep shut about it. Meanwhile they planted all this Iranian business. They get to piss off the Chinese too.
And they can now use this as a pretext to bomb Angola (little micro state's getting too uppity and saying they're going to restrict oil supplies).
It's been a while since the last invasion anyway and the F16s are getting rusty.
Of course, all the while they will keep demanding that Russia exit the Ukraine immédiatement.
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| jasepl wrote: | So four days and still absolutely nothing, even with groups from a dozen different countries (including - finally! - India, even if it's as an afterthought) involved in the search.
That leads me to believe it's one big CIA plot. The Americans have threatened/bullied/coerced/"convinced" some poor country in the region to let the plane land and keep shut about it. Meanwhile they planted all this Iranian business. They get to piss off the Chinese too.
And they can now use this as a pretext to bomb Angola (little micro state's getting too uppity and saying they're going to restrict oil supplies).
It's been a while since the last invasion anyway and the F16s are getting rusty.
Of course, all the while they will keep demanding that Russia exit the Ukraine immédiatement. |
High on Valium, are we? Or is it a cocktail?
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hehhee... A cocktail. But not high.
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The latest information that has come from CNN is the the flight MH370 made a turn around as it was heading to the Vietnam air space. One of the senior Malaysian Air Force official, told the reporter that the transponder stopped working and as a result the pilot took a U-turn and headed towards Malaysia.
So based on this input, at the moment, terrorism is ruled out. Although, it is still not clear whether the transponder stopped functioning because of those 2 Iranians on board or it was a power failure.
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Most convincing explanation so far
| Quote: | Darby, for one, believes purely mechanical issues remain the most valid possibility now. His main point is: "Everything is electrical." In other words, if there's some sort of "catastrophic failure" for whatever reason, that could knock out systems like the transponder.
If that would happen, the plane could fly for some time without electricity but not indefinitely. Any attempts to steer it would be harder in the dark without functioning flight instruments said Darby, a retired United captain. |
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Still no plane. CIA conspiracy theory a little bit more believable?
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please remind me what is that mechanism called where the plane sends periodic signal to the airlines company.. in case of AF447, the knew right away what happened....
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Malaysia Airlines changes Kuala Lumpur-Beijing flight codes
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Malaysia Airlines changed (13-Mar-2014) the flight codes for Kuala Lumpur-Beijing service from MH370/371 to MH318/319, effective 14-Mar-2014. |
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After the latest press conference today at 1500 IST, we are back to square one-OR SO the Malaysian authorities want us to believe.
It seems every new lead that is being put on offer is rejected by Malaysian authorities as false and misleading- and that " Malaysia has nothing to hide" remark from their Minister doesnt help- in fact it indicates to the contrary.
Surely there is something known to the Malaysians and/or the Chinese, the disclosure of which , will bring considerable disrepute to Malaysia at this time. |
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| Aseem wrote: | please remind me what is that mechanism called where the plane sends periodic signal to the airlines company.. in case of AF447, the knew right away what happened....
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That was ACARS - used to automate sending of plane status.
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| jasepl wrote: | | Still no plane. CIA conspiracy theory a little bit more believable? |
or maybe the unthinkable conspiracy theory that is travelling around some of the news networks, that is Alien Invasion.  
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| G-BYGB wrote: | | jasepl wrote: | | Still no plane. CIA conspiracy theory a little bit more believable? |
or maybe the unthinkable conspiracy theory that is travelling around some of the news networks, that is Alien Invasion. |
Oh dear... THat sounds like a Trash Now exclusive.
I don't even have TV... and every day I realise I'm not missing anything.
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G-BYGB
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It is unbelievable that none of the people on ground could see a flight crash land near the Gulf of Thailand.
Even if an aircraft has disintegrated in the air or falls into deep ocean, you can still find some parts of the aircraft floating in the ocean bed.
It is very agonising for all their loved ones. I pray to GOD to provide their family and friends with strength and blessings in this difficult time.
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