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basheer1211
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 Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:44 am Post subject: India - Southeast Asia Market (seats, frequencies) |
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| iah87 wrote: | | Could you do a similar analysis for SE Asia - SIN, KUL and BKK. It will be interesting to know how Indian carriers fare in this area. |
Singapore
Indian Carriers
I. Air India
7 weekly BOM-SIN (B788)
7 weekly DEL-SIN (B788)
7 weekly MAA-SIN (B788)
Total frequencies to SIN: - 21 weekly
Total seats to SIN: - 21 * 256 = 5376
II. Air India Express
7 weekly MAA-SIN (B738)
7 weekly TRZ-SIN (B738)
4 weekly CCU-SIN (B738)
Total frequencies to SIN: - 7 weekly
Total seats to SIN: - 18 * 186 = 3348
III. Jet Airways
7 weekly MAA-SIN (B738)
7 weekly BLR-SIN (B738)
7 weekly DEL-SIN (A332)
14 weekly BOM-SIN (B77W)
Total frequencies to SIN: - 42 weekly
Total seats to SIN: - 14 * 168 + 7 * 254 + 14 * 346 = 8974
IV. Indigo
14 weekly MAA-SIN (A320)*
*second daily starts from 05MAR
Total frequencies to SIN: - 7 weekly
Total seats to SIN: - 14 * 180 = 2520
Total frequencies to SIN by Indian Carriers: - 88 weekly
Total seats to SIN by Indian Carriers: - 20218
Singapore Carriers
I. Singapore Airlines
a. Delhi
7 weekly SIN-DEL (A388)
7 weekly SIN-DEL (A333)
b. Mumbai
7 weekly SIN-BOM (A388)
7 weekly SIN-BOM (B772)
c. Chennai
7 weekly SIN-MAA (A333)
d. Bengaluru
7 weekly SIN-BLR (B772)
e. Kolkata
3 weekly SIN-CCU (A333)
f. Ahmedabad
3 weekly SIN-AMD (A333)
Total frequencies to India: - 48 weekly
Total seats to India: - 14 * 471 + 20 * 285 + 14* 266 = 16018
II. Silk Air
a. Chennai
3 weekly SIN-MAA (A320)
b. Bengaluru
2 weekly SIN-BLR (A320)
2 weekly SIN-BLR (B738)
c. Hyderabad
7 weekly SIN-HYD (B738)
d. Kolkata
4 weekly SIN-CCU (A320)
e. Coimbatore
2 weekly SIN-CJB (A319)
2 weekly SIN-CJB (A320)
f. Kochi
7 weekly SIN-COK (B738)
g. Trivandrum
2 weekly SIN-TRV (A319)
2 weekly SIN-TRV (A320)
h. Vishakapatnam
3 weekly SIN-VTZ (A319)
Total frequencies to India: - 36 weekly
Total seats to India: - 16 * 162 + 13 * 142 + 7 * 128 = 5334
III. Tiger
a. Chennai
7 weekly SIN-MAA (A320)
b. Bengaluru
7 weekly SIN-BLR (A320)
c. Hyderabad
5 weekly SIN-HYD (A320)
d. Kochi
4 weekly SIN-COK (A320)
e. Tiruchirappalli
12 weekly SIN-TRZ (A320)
Total frequencies to India: - 35 weekly
Total seats to India: - 35 * 180 = 6300
Total frequencies to India by Singapore Carriers: - 119 weekly
Total seats to India by Singapore Carriers: - 27652
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basheer1211
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:52 am Post subject: |
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Malaysia
Indian Carriers
I. Air India Express
4 weekly MAA-KUL (B738)
Total frequencies to KUL: - 4 weekly
Total seats to KUL: - 4 * 186 = 744
Total frequencies to KUL by Indian Carriers: - 4 weekly
Total seats to KUL by Indian Carriers: - 744
Malaysian Carriers
I. Malaysia Airlines
a. Delhi
7 weekly KUL-DEL (A333)
7 weekly KUL-DEL (B738)
b. Mumbai
7 weekly KUL-BOM (B772)
5 weekly KUL-BOM (B738)
c. Chennai
14 weekly KUL-MAA (B738)
d. Bengaluru
12 weekly KUL-BLR (B738)
e. Hyderabad
7 weekly KUL-HYD (B738)
f. Kochi
7 weekly KUL-COK (B738)
Total frequencies to India: - 66 weekly
Total seats to India: - 14 * 282 + 52 * 160 = 12268
II. Air Asia
a. Bengaluru
4 weekly KUL-BLR (A320)
b. Chennai
14 weekly KUL-MAA (A320)
c. Kolkata
7 weekly KUL-CCU (A320)
d. Kochi
10 weekly KUL-COK (A320)
e. Tiruchirappalli
21 weekly KUL-TRZ (A320)
f. Hyderabad (w.e.f Dec 
7 weekly KUL-HYD (A320)
Total frequencies to India: - 63 weekly
Total seats to India: - 63 * 180 = 11340
III. Malindo Air
a. Delhi
7 weekly KUL-DEL (B739)
b. Mumbai
6 weekly KUL-BOM (B739)
c. Kochi
7 weekly KUL-COK (B739)
d. Tiruchirappalli
10 weekly KUL-TRZ (B739)
Total frequencies to India: - 30 weekly
Total seats to India: - 30 * 180 = 5400
Total frequencies to India by Malaysian Carriers: - 159 weekly
Total seats to India by Malaysian Carriers: - 29008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| Nice analysis! |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:47 am Post subject: |
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Malaysia is just embarassing in terms of frequencies.
And Singapore is atleast face saving, but definitely not great.
Thanks for the analysis!
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Once again, a great analysis Abhijith! Hardly any growth during the last 10 years for AI on the SIN sector. The capacity has remained more or less the same.
Considering the number of tourists visiting Malaysia, it is shocking that we have only 4 weekly flights to KUL.
Waiting for your BKK analysis. 
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| himmat01 wrote: | Once again, a great analysis Abhijith! Hardly any growth during the last 10 years for AI on the SIN sector. The capacity has remained more or less the same.
Considering the number of tourists visiting Malaysia, it is shocking that we have only 4 weekly flights to KUL.
Waiting for your BKK analysis. |
Sir, check again! NOT ME.
The author deserves all the credit!
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:39 am Post subject: |
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KUL could certainly do with more flights from India. 9W had a daily MAA-KUL until a few years ago but pulled out, and I assume AI too had a service dating back to their A310 era but seem to have pulled out in the years since.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| Spiderguy252 wrote: | | KUL could certainly do with more flights from India. 9W had a daily MAA-KUL until a few years ago but pulled out, and I assume AI too had a service dating back to their A310 era but seem to have pulled out in the years since. |
This is the most opportune time to resume KUL. With a weak MH, the prospects should be great.
I also hear that there is a cap on the number of flights between MAA and KUL. I wonder if this is affecting any new services,
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:54 am Post subject: |
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Sorry Mr. Basheer for the oversight. Full credits to you for the excellent analysis. Would certainly like to see a few more of these.
Cheers!
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Great Analysis. KUL indeed has great opportunity now with people option airlines other than MAS, AI could make connections work on its hub via DEL or 9W via BOM.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:40 am Post subject: |
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Thank you, Basheer. Nice analysis.
You haven't included Thailand in your analysis. Was that deliberate? Sorry for nit picking 
I wonder why SG have not looked at SIN?
and also wonder why Indian carriers seem hell bent on giving Malaysia a miss. The country with the largest Indian diaspora in SE Asia and no Indian carrier wants to fly there. Isn't that weird?
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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Nice Analysis Basheer.
If I am right, the SIN-TRV MI flight is on a 319 or has that changed?
As a feel good factor do include Vietnam in your analysis, probably the only country where Indian carriers outshine in this region. |
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| justbala wrote: | | As a feel good factor do include Vietnam in your analysis, probably the only country where Indian carriers outshine in this region. |
Myanmar too, if we can stretch out the region a bit.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| The_Goat wrote: | | I wonder why SG have not looked at SIN? |
Even stranger considering the strong connections between Tamil Nadu to SIN/ Malaysia.
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basheer1211
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks all
| Spiderguy252 wrote: | | KUL could certainly do with more flights from India. |
| The_Goat wrote: | I wonder why SG have not looked at SIN?
and also wonder why Indian carriers seem hell bent on giving Malaysia a miss. The country with the largest Indian diaspora in SE Asia and no Indian carrier wants to fly there. Isn't that weird? |
| Nimish wrote: | | Even stranger considering the strong connections between Tamil Nadu to SIN/ Malaysia. |
Actually 6E got approval on TRZ-KUL and TRZ-SIN long back. So did SG on IXM-KUL and IXM-SIN. SG ran into rough weather after that. 6E decided not to fly those routes for unknown reason. |
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basheer1211
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| justbala wrote: | | If I am right, the SIN-TRV MI flight is on a 319 or has that changed? |
MI operates 2x A319 and 2x A320. Edited the total seats accordingly.
| justbala wrote: | | As a feel good factor do include Vietnam in your analysis, probably the only country where Indian carriers outshine in this region. |
Working on it. |
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basheer1211
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| himmat01 wrote: | | Waiting for your BKK analysis. |
| The_Goat wrote: | | You haven't included Thailand in your analysis. Was that deliberate? Sorry for nit picking |
That was not deliberate. Didn't have time for that. Made it ready now.
Thailand
Indian Carriers
I. Air India
7 weekly BOM-BKK (B788)
7 weekly DEL-BKK (B788)
Total frequencies to BKK: - 14 weekly
Total seats to BKK: - 14 * 256 = 3584
II. Jet Airways
7 weekly DEL-BKK-SGN (B738)
21 weekly BOM-BKK (B738)
Total frequencies to BKK: - 28 weekly
Total seats to BKK: - 28 * 168 = 4704
III. Indigo
14 weekly CCU-BKK (A320)
Total frequencies to BKK: - 14 weekly
Total seats to BKK: - 14 * 180 = 2520
IV. Spice Jet
7 weekly CCU-BKK (B738)
Total frequencies to BKK: - 7 weekly
Total seats to BKK: - 7 * 186 = 1302
Total frequencies to BKK by Indian Carriers: - 63 weekly
Total seats to BKK by Indian Carriers: - 12110
Thailand Carriers
I. Thai Airways / Thai Smile
a. Delhi
7 weekly BKK-DEL (A333)
7 weekly BKK-DEL (B773)
b. Mumbai
7 weekly BKK-BOM (B772/A333)
c. Chennai
7 weekly BKK-MAA (A333)
d. Bengaluru
7 weekly BKK-BLR (A333)
e. Kolkata
7 weekly BKK-CCU (A333)
f. Hyderabad
6 weekly BKK-HYD (A320)
Total frequencies to India: - 48 weekly
Total seats to India: - 35 * 305 + 7 * 364 + 6* 174 = 14267
II. Bangkok Airways
a. Bombay
7 weekly BKK-BOM (A320)
Total frequencies to India: - 7 weekly
Total seats to India: - 7 * 162 = 1134
III. Thai Airasia
a. Chennai
5 weekly DMK-MAA (A320)
Total frequencies to India: - 7 weekly
Total seats to India: - 7 * 180 = 1260
Total frequencies to India by Thailand Carriers: - 60 weekly
Total seats to India by Thailand Carriers: - 16661
Thai Airways operates seasonal flight on BKK-GAY-VNS-BKK.
Apart from this, few foreign carriers operate on the same route
I. Air Austral
2 weekly RUN-MAA-BKK (B738 152 seats)
II. Druk Air
1 weekly GAY-BKK (A319 118 seats)
2 weekly IXB-BKK (A319 118 seats)
2 weekly GAU-BKK (A319 118 seats)
III. Bhutan Airlines (Tashi Air)
7 weekly CCU-BKK (A320)
Dont know whether Bhutan Airlines is still operational or not.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| While the gap between ME, SEA carriers and Indian ones isn't as large as I thought. Non Indian carriers seem to have 50% more seats than Indian ones. I think this really speaks to the main issue. We have given non Indian carriers enough seats to play in BOTH the O&D and 5th freedom markets. This way the foreign carriers can keep O&D fares low and undercut Indian ones and still have extra space to price 5th freedom low. This was really the mistake by the GOI. Its the perfect storm that allowed the foreign carriers to get rights but still make it look like the Indian carriers needed more seats. Going forward the GOI should freeze ME and SEA seats and allow fares to rise and/or partnerships to develop between foreign and Indian carriers. This should be the path forward. But its almost like the foreign airlines demand at least a 50% differential between what Indian carriers can use and their allocation (thus perpetuating the pricing situation - I think we can all figure out why this 50% differential needs to exist). Aside for stunted airline job growth the policy of the GOI has almost encouraged Indian tourists to travel abroad for cheap family trips rather than in india. Another big fail. Domestic tourism can be a big driver of economic growth (see the US). But sadly neither the GOI, the Indian tourism industry, indian airlines or aviation enthusiasts feel this is important - just as long as EK brings the A380 to India, then we are golden. |
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| Great analysis. Malaysia is severely underserved by Indian carriers, they have allowed the Malaysian LCCs to take over. There is no sector so lopsided in favor of foreign carriers. I am sure the Indian LCC's can serve profitably from MAA, TRZ and other cities. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| basheer1211 wrote: | Malaysia
Malaysian Carriers
II. Air Asia
a. Bengaluru
4 weekly KUL-BLR (A320)
b. Chennai
14 weekly KUL-MAA (A320)
c. Kolkata
7 weekly KUL-CCU (A320)
d. Kochi
10 weekly KUL-COK (A320)
e. Tiruchirappalli
21 weekly KUL-TRZ (A320)
Total frequencies to India: - 56 weekly
Total seats to India: - 56 * 180 = 10080
Total frequencies to India by Malaysian Carriers: - 152 weekly
Total seats to India by Malaysian Carriers: - 27748 |
Adding to that, AK will operate 7x HYD from Dec 8. That will increase the frequency to 159 and seats to 29008.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:06 am Post subject: |
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This is a great compilation, thank you so much for sharing!
Wow, Indian carriers are surely embarrassed here 
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: India - Southeast Asia Market (seats, frequencies) |
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| basheer1211 wrote: | II. Silk Air
a. Chennai
3 weekly SIN-MAA (A320)
b. Bengaluru
2 weekly SIN-BLR (A320)
2 weekly SIN-BLR (B738)
c. Hyderabad
7 weekly SIN-HYD (B738)
d. Kolkata
4 weekly SIN-CCU (A320)
e. Coimbatore
2 weekly SIN-CJB (A319)
2 weekly SIN-CJB (A320)
f. Kochi
7 weekly SIN-COK (B738)
g. Trivandrum
2 weekly SIN-TRZ (A319)
2 weekly SIN-TRV (A320)
Total frequencies to India: - 33 weekly
Total seats to India: - 16 * 162 + 13 * 142 + 4 * 128 = 4950
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Silk Air also flies to Visakhapatnam, at least 3 times a week. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: India - Southeast Asia Market (seats, frequencies) |
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| iah87 wrote: | | Silk Air also flies to Visakhapatnam, at least 3 times a week. |
It is updated now.
| Quote: | Air India Begins Boeing 787 Bangkok Service from late-Oct 2014
Air India from 26OCT14 begins Boeing 787 service to Thailand, which sees daily Delhi Bangkok and Mumbai Bangkok operation. Both routes are currently operated by Airbus A321 aircraft.
Delhi Bangkok
AI332 DEL1325 1920BKK 788 D
AI333 BKK0850 1205DEL 788 D
Mumbai Bangkok
AI330 BOM0135 0720BKK 788 D
AI331 BKK2030 2305BOM 788 D
Source: Airlineroute.net |
The same has been updated also
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