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sanil.shah · Member Joined: 26 Nov 2012 Posts: 44

I feel that Iberia should start BOM-MAD and offer good connections to South America.

Also, Delta should restart BOM-JFK or BOM-ATL and give KLM the chance to re-start BOM-AMS

Garuda Indonesia should begin with BOM-Jakarta and offer good connections in South East Asia.

Finnair can begin with BOM - HEL again with good timings to Scandinavia and North America

Air Canada can also begin the BOM-YYZ seasonal sector.

China Airlines, China Eastern Airlines for direct flights to Shanghai, Shenzen and Beijing

Since Austrian Airlines and Alitalia have dropped, other European Airlines should aslo consider.

Emirates also needs to add a 6th or 7th flight daily to connect to flights at 4am and 5 am from Dubai.

Etihad Airways and Qatar Airways need to add flights conveniently connecting to European Cities.

What do u think ?

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ssbmat · Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 1710

3 short answers:

1) BOM no longer serves as a major catchment area, thanks to the Gulf carriers spreading their wings to HYD, BLR, AMD etc..

2) BOM does not have adequate airport slots and is operating under horribly cramped conditions, unlike DEL with its swanky T3. and Runway 11/29 (along with the 2 other runways)

3) BOM continues to be treated like a wh@@@ while DEL is pampered with Central Govt largesse.. MMS wants to make it into a Shanghai, but does not find time nor funds to expedite the development of the greater Mumbai infrastructure, inspite of his own party's state govt..

(sorry, I had to say this Mad

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jasepl · Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay

But if the Sena were in power, BOM would already be better than HKG and Bombay better than Singapore, right?

As for BOM's limited growth, as mentioned above
- Nearly everywhere else in the traditional catchment area has an international airport now. DEL, on the other hand, is still more or less the only option from Srinagar to Shillong. Actual increase in demand from the city itself may well be higher from BOM, who knows?
- Tourism and government/UN types are a big source of traffic and they're all headed towards DEL. Nothing to see in Bombay anyway.
- AI packed up and moved north.
- Scarcity of space / slots / gates / capacity / common sense / capability.

Whilst airlines such as Air Canada don't really have any business flying to Bombay, I can see a couple more European airlines giving it a shot down the line. But none one of us should be surprised if future growth will be largely from the east.
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Nimish · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:33 am Post subject:

I would hope that 9W capitalizes on the BOM high-yielding-loyal-FFP type customer base and does some major expansion from there - hopefully making BOM their hub to compete with AI's DEL hub.
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shivendrashukla · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:13 am Post subject:

The main hurdle in BOM's path according to me is infrastructure. The airport cannot expand due to the slums around it and existing infrastructure is already over its maximums. Somehow I wonder why Juhu is not being redeveloped and charter and small aircraft operations could be moved there. As far as airlines operations are concerned, if an airline has good connections to probably every part of the world in general and US in particular, they are doing fairly well. Except for our own Jet airways, which seems to be in a regression mode of late. All major European airlines are flying into BOM.

jasepl · Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay

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Jaysit · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346

Existing carriers can always increase capacity to BOM if it's warranted.

BA has already planned for double daily 744s in winter.

I assume that AF could bump up their A332 to a daily 77W if needed, VS could always bring in a 744 and arguably even DL could add capacity by adding a second daily from AMS (unlikely though). But right now, the Indian economy isn't exactly attracting foreign investments like it did a few years ago, and so high yield business traffic is down.

Of course, if the idiotic Indian carriers knew how to attract pax away from EK, QR, etc., they could well put their hibernating 77Ws on routes to the US and open up new routes to Europe. But they're useless, and so they don't.

ssbmat · Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 1710

iah87 · Member Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 2567

EK and QR would expand at BOM, but they are restricted by bilaterals. Among the various European airlines, only Finnair has some potential. If Alitalia was better run, it would have a chance at BOM, but not at its current condition. If they are better, they would fly to DEL first.

jasepl · Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay

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jasepl · Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay

That is exactly the thinking that plagues us in so many areas.

It's very easy to declare "they did nothing for us" and then sit back and do nothing, except make another similar declaration. Mamta does it and Jet Airways (or their fan club) do it. It's very common.

On the other hand, what has the city done for itself? What has the state done for itself?

Yes, I realise that we don't have enough of much-needed devolution of powers in India. But that doesn't justify the inability or unwillingness to think for ourselves and do for ourselves at least to the point of possibility. If not us, then who? Outsiders? From the dirty north? Isn't that ironic!

Sahar may be a big international airport and beyond the control of the simple-minded people of the BMC (to apply your justification), but it is located within the city and serves the residents of Bombay. The BMC damn well be taking the greatest interest.

Yet they take three years to make "skywalks" that wouldn't look out of place in bombed-out Gaza City. Do we blame the union government for that too? Why not?

(And Delhi isn't the best compare, because the state and the city are largely interchangeable.)
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jasepl · Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay

Yep. And I don't mean mobs and morchas and protests. But getting our elected representatives in the city council to work for the improvement of our city.

As time goes by, things are supposed to get better. I can think of no places (outside Bengal and war-torn places) where life gets worse with every passing year, for the rich as well as the poor.

It is incredibly naive, stupid and pointless to sit and wait for others to help you. At least help yourself first.

Besides, taking money from Bombay is not new and it's not a Robin Hood situation. They're not taking from the "rich" to give to the "poor". Rather, they're taking from Bombay to pocket it for for themselves and delude the rest into thinking they're doing something to help others.

That applies to the government in Mantralaya and to the one in Parliament. And it applies equally, regardless of party in power.

It applies even more to the BMC, because they have a bigger budget than some countries, and nothing to show for it. And their job is to focus solely on one city, whereas the state and union governments jobs are to worry about much, much more.
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