Airliners-India.com Flickr Group & Facebook    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Any other pic of Air India's Il-62? Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          Airliners-India.com Forum Index -> Aviation Photography View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:15 pm    Post subject: Any other pic of Air India's Il-62? CCCP-86512 was the Il-62 leased by Air India from Aeroflot. Does anyone remember if it had the Air India markings on the tail? I recount glancing up aand having a fleeting glimpse at an Il-62 with reddish markings on its tail quite high up in the sky, so I wanted to be sure. This was in the late 80s. Possibly the only picture around is this one: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-India-(Aeroflot)/Ilyushin-Il-62M/1072754/L/ I wonder if anyone on the forum has any other picture of this craft. Thanks, Sumantra. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11259 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:00 am    Post subject: Never seen another pic of the Il-62 leased by Air India from Aeroflot besides the one on A.net; but here are pics of the safety card from CCCP-86512 with AI hybrid colors. Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:06 pm    Post subject: Wow 747-237, that's a good find. Bad luck that there are no other pics around - but someone on this forum must have seen this plane in question - or was it too early for most of the current members? Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11259 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:17 pm    Post subject: sumantra wrote: Wow 747-237, that's a good find. Bad luck that there are no other pics around - but someone on this forum must have seen this plane in question - or was it too early for most of the current members? Cheers, Sumantra. Sumantra, you might be right on that it was way back in the 1980s, so might be too early for most to have spotted it. I remember seeing the IL-62 routes on my Dad's 'broadsheet' (i.e. a timetable from AI operations that the cockpit crew got, with a little more info. than the regular timetables. If I recall correctly, the IL-62 used to operate on the DEL-SVO route, so she perhaps never came to BOM, & hence I never did see her. Another 'ghost plane' that always peaked my interest is the leased L-1011 from Caribjet, with the reg. VT-LEO. Apparently she was leased by AI only for one day !! Here is the only pic I ever found of her & often wondered what the full story was behind the hybrid colors being applied for a day ! Any info ??? Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:39 pm    Post subject: Thanks for the very prompt reply, 747-237! Yes, I have also wondered about this particular plane in question, and most searches for AI Tristars usually land up with V2-LEJ and V2-LEK. Yes, I do not think the Il-62M ever came to BOM. Roy (COUGAR) may have more information on V2-LEO (pun unintended - Cougar, and LEO!!) Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11259 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Sumantra, here you go buddy.......it's your lucky day !!! A bit of history on this bird & her ops. for AI: First Flight was August 30 1980. November 17 1987 : Arrival of the wet-leased 140 seater aircraft IL-62M in Bombay. The aircraft has 8 First Class, 30 Business Class and 102 Economy Class seats. November 20 1987 : Commencement of thrice weekly service to Moscow with the leased IL-62M. February 18 1989 : Tashkent in Uzbekistan becomes online again. The weekly service is operated with an IL-62M aircraft wet-leased from Aeroflot, every Saturday. So I guess we were wrong, & she did visit BOM, not just DEL. Great to re-visit this part of AI history ! Back to top COUGAR Member Joined: 01 Jan 2007 Posts: 986 Location: Bangalore Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:36 am    Post subject: What kind of "First Class" can you put on a narrowbody? 1-1 layout? _________________ http://www.cougar-rides.com <B>Live to Ride - Ride to Live</B> -- Back to top sammyk Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 2719 Location: Austin, TX Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:46 am    Post subject: COUGAR wrote: What kind of "First Class" can you put on a narrowbody? 1-1 layout? 2-2...remember this is 20 years ago where International First Class was similar to todays domestic first...maybe worse. Didn't AI 707s have first? Must have been along those lines. Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:41 am    Post subject: Wow 747-237 - I do not know if I can thank you enough. Can you also give the sources for the pics, and some other links? Are there any other pics available? A.net has some dead links for some pictures. I wonder if anyone has a cached copy. Further, maybe someone on both fora may have some clue to the article poster, or some picture. The part on the history was wonderful - thank you! Well, I guess that the tail was indeed white, and the only Air-India signage was at two places - the Centaur on the outer engines, and the Air-India titles in English and Hindi on the two sides. So the Il-62M I would have seen high in the sky may have been on an unscheduled flight, possibly a VIP one - the one whose tail I had thougth to be red. (I had just put two and two together that time...) And CSA did not have a service then to DEL, did it? Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11259 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 4:21 pm    Post subject: sammyk wrote: Didn't AI 707s have first? They sure did ! Still have vague recollections of my trips aboard the AI 707s first class as a child. sumantra wrote: Wow 747-237 - I do not know if I can thank you enough. Can you also give the sources for the pics, and some other links? Are there any other pics available? A.net has some dead links for some pictures. I wonder if anyone has a cached copy. Further, maybe someone on both fora may have some clue to the article poster, or some picture. The part on the history was wonderful - thank you! You're welcome, Sumantra. Glad to be of help. Will let you know what I find. sumantra wrote: Well, I guess that the tail was indeed white, and the only Air-India signage was at two places - the Centaur on the outer engines, and the Air-India titles in English and Hindi on the two sides. So the Il-62M I would have seen high in the sky may have been on an unscheduled flight, possibly a VIP one - the one whose tail I had thougth to be red. (I had just put two and two together that time...) And CSA did not have a service then to DEL, did it? Cheers, Sumantra. Yes, it was probably CSA......I remember seeing them at BOM, though don't recall if they served DEL. Could it have been just good old Aeroflot ?? Or Interflug (did they ever come to India....I remember seeing them at a gate, just don't remember where ) ! Coming back to the Caribjet leased L-1011, (V2-LEO to be more specific), here are a few pics of the Indian flight attendants who worked those flights. (So here's another 'Blast from the Past' for you ) !! Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: "Yes, it was probably CSA......I remember seeing them at BOM, though don't recall if they served DEL. Could it have been just good old Aeroflot ?? Or Interflug (did they ever come to India....I remember seeing them at a gate, just don't remember where ) ! " Hmm... no, it wasn't Aeroflot, I'm quite sure, since a split-second after the reddish tail, I looked under the wings - no CCCP written there. As a Delhi-ite, I quite admired the Aeroflot Il-62Ms, but they did not pose any surprise to me in terms of their liveries. 747-237 wrote: "Coming back to the Caribjet leased L-1011, (V2-LEO to be more specific), here are a few pics of the Indian flight attendants who worked those flights. (So here's another 'Blast from the Past' for you ) !!" Wow - this is really incredible. Really incredible. This was a one-day lease, and you have managed to get pictures of the crew on this flight also! Getting greedy, do you have any other pics of the aircraft with Air India titles? We would love to see them! Further, thanks for the AI Il-62M offer - yes, I'll certainly look forward (no, in all other directions as well), for any other pictures or information on that! Thanks and regards, Sumantra. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11259 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 4:23 pm    Post subject: sumantra wrote: Wow - this is really incredible. Really incredible. This was a one-day lease, and you have managed to get pictures of the crew on this flight also! Sumantra, the pics are of the Indian Cabin crew who were on the L-1011s, so they probably worked on the other two (LEK & LEJ) was well, besides LEO. The pics are probably not from the LEO 1-day lease but other AI L-1011 flights, but nonetheless are still a treat. The lady in the center pic is (apparently) riding the cockpit jump seat, & the ladies in the pool are the crew during initial training in Mauritius. Will try & find some more pics of LEO with AI titles. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11259 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 1:52 am    Post subject: Sumantra, here are a couple of new pics of your favourite bird. Enjoy .... The two earlier pics seem to have been de-linked as well, so here they are again. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11259 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 6:52 am    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: Will try & find some more pics of LEO with AI titles. Here you go .... _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 2:04 pm    Post subject: @747-237, I am really speechless at your memory, and your incredible capacity and endeavour in digging up an exactly-three-year-old topic, and adding three invaluble gems to it! In the intereim, I had only come across Mr. Jimmy Wadia's pic of the Il-62M taking off from BOM. Thanks, once again! Sumantra. Back to top Aseem Member Joined: 15 Dec 2006 Posts: 2841 Location: YYZ Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 6:37 pm    Post subject: great stuff! 747-237 _________________ [url=http://openflights.org/user/aseemsjohri] [/url] Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 10:47 pm    Post subject: awesome stuff @747-237! _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top HAWK21M Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 8132 Location: Mumbai, INDIA Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 2:56 pm    Post subject: A Bumped up Oldie thread & bumped with fantastic pictures too. _________________ Think of the Brighter side !!! Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11259 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:05 am    Post subject: Sumantra, this might tickle your fancy !!! _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Last edited by 747-237 on Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:35 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top HAWK21M Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 8132 Location: Mumbai, INDIA Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:49 am    Post subject: Somehow that old AI livery looked great on most types..... _________________ Think of the Brighter side !!! Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:35 pm    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: Sumantra, this might tickle your fancy !!! This definitely did - thank you! Yes, at that time, I too had imagined something like this would look spectacular on the beautiful Il-62. The windows in this narrowbody look a bit too high to balance the nice horizontal bounding lines, though the windows with the earlier multiple small arches are simply fantastic. (my personal opinion!). Further, the Air India on the tail has been done along the portion with the maximum coverage, which looks nice (unlike the current ATR-42 with the Flying Swan livery). Thanks a lot, once again! Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11259 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:22 pm    Post subject: Glad you liked that, Sumantra. Speaking of leased Ilyushins, here is one of the 3 IL-76s leased by Air India Cargo in the late 80s: CCCP-76479, an IL-76TD from Aeroflot's Polar division wearing her signature Arctic/Antarctic Red color scheme, & Soviet Flag. (Unlike the leased IL-62M, the 3 IL-76s retained their Soviet Flag on the tail). IIRC, she was a regular on AI Cargo runs to Zurich. Here she is at BOM in 1989, doing duty for Air India. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:58 am    Post subject: Thanks - this is interesting. A.net has another picture of this bird http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/5/3/0/1304035.jpg The information shows that this picture is circa 1986. So, this plane wore three sets of colours! Air India could have put some decals on this place - but then, decals were not quite popular in those times, paint jobs were more common! Thanks once again for your periodic efforts to pull out such gems from history! Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11259 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:35 am    Post subject: Here are a couple of pics of the safety card from the leased L-1011s. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:05 pm    Post subject: Wow - kudos to your enthusiasm for pulling out such gems from the past. Thanks, Sumantra. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11259 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:53 pm    Post subject: Sumantra, this morning I bought a book titled "Russian Airliners" by Paul Duffy (published in 1993) & found a couple of pics of your favourite airplane on pages 18 & 19. Enjoy the scans: _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:30 am    Post subject: This is fantastic, 747-237! Thanks for re-kindling this flame/thread once again. I really wonder how many more have pictures of this beautiful bird in the unique livery. Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11259 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:04 pm    Post subject: Here's another pic from the same book, with Sumantra's beauty in her natural surroundings. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:16 pm    Post subject: What a fantastic find! This would be a real amazing picture, since it comes from SVO. Talk of bearding the lion, in it's den! 747-237 wrote: Here's another pic from the same book, with Sumantra's beauty in her natural surroundings. Ha ha! Interpreting the above sentence literally - had me in splits Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11259 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:46 am    Post subject: sumantra wrote: What a fantastic find! This would be a real amazing picture, since it comes from SVO. Talk of bearding the lion, in it's den! Here's another rare pic of her at SVO (maybe on her way to / from India). Enjoy !! _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:35 pm    Post subject: Epic Pic, epic! @747-237: how do you dig up such rare pictures, that too, at the drop of a hat? Admiringly yours, Sumantra. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11259 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:01 am    Post subject: Sumantra, thought you might like to see the reverse side of the Air India IL-62M safety card. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:43 am    Post subject: ..you are simply awesome. How did you lay your hands on THIS! Thanks for sharing this with us - this is really great! Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11259 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:53 am    Post subject: Sumantra, you might fancy this ..... my mom came across one of my father's old Air India "broadsheets" (these were timetables for the flight crew from the AI operations office) from back in 1986. It has some info about the leased Il-76 freighter ops. I've been trying to find one of his old broadsheets from the time when the Il-62M was in service for Air India, but have been unsuccessful thus far. I (or rather my mother) will keep looking .... untill then enjoy some Il-76 info ! Last edited by 747-237 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:23 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top ameya Member Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 3671 Location: Pune,Maharashtra Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:37 am    Post subject: Super interesting this is ! Thanks ! Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:44 am    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: Sumantra, you might fancy this Deb, this is very interesting indeed! I have seen pictures of the leased Il-76 on A.net, and have been absolutely fascinated with their history,but did not find anything very relevant on the general Internet. This is fascinating first-hand matter, and gives a good insightinto the operations in the 1980s, a time of great turmoil for the airline. Thanks a lot for sharing this with us! Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top himmat01 Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1392 Location: DEL Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:05 pm    Post subject: Thanks a lot Deb, The broad sheet does bring back old memories. In the old days, the flights were so limited that I had the schedule by heart. _________________ Save Maharashtra! Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:34 pm    Post subject: himmat01 wrote: In the old days, the flights were so limited that I had the schedule by heart. Lucky you Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11259 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:49 pm    Post subject: Here you go, Sumantra - your favorite bird, this time at DEL. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:27 pm    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: Here you go, Sumantra - your favorite bird, this time at DEL. Deb, you will never cease to amaze all of us. Just when one had thought that all existing pictures of this exotic hybrid liveried beauty had been exhausted, you come up with yet another one, this time, in my then, and current home-base. Thanks a lot, you just made my day...for many days to come. Do you have any other details of this picture? Ramp photography was frowned upon then even more than today, was this a part of an official photo-shoot for the then relatively new IGIA T2? Or did you scan this in from a magazine picture, where it came as a part of a photo-shoot, where the photographer had explicit ramp permissions? Or were you the photographer, with as much of enthusiasm as you have now, if not more! Thanks once again, this is a very rare find! Sumantra. 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