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 Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:43 pm Post subject: Air India Oct 2012 international operation changes |
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Air India Oct 2012 International Operation Changes as of 04SEP12
As per 04SEP12 GDS timetable and inventory display, planned Air Indias October 2012 International changes as follows.
Delhi Riyadh 01OCT12 25OCT12 3 weekly service to operated by Boeing 777-200LR/-300ER, instead of A330-200
AI925 DEL0240 0445RUH 77L 5
AI925 DEL1525 1730RUH 77W 16
AI924 RUH0600 1245DEL 77L 5
AI924 RUH0710 1355DEL 77W 16
Delhi Shanghai Pu Dong eff 07OCT12 Service returns to 4 weekly, Boeing 777-300ER operating instead of previously operated -200LR
AI348 DEL1140 2020PVG 77W x135
AI349 PVG2200 0200+1DEL 77W x135
Mumbai London Heathrow eff 01OCT12 Service operates with Boeing 777-300ER on daily basis, replaces -200LR
AI131 BOM0630 1130LHR 77W D
AI130 LHR1315 0305+1BOM 77W D
Mumbai Singapore 01OCT12 27OCT12 Airbus A330-200 replaces Airbus A319
AI342 BOM0015 0755SIN 332 D
AI343 SIN1045 1335BOM 332 D
Source: Airlineroute.net
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Air India Oct 2012 Tokyo Narita Operation Changes
As per 11SEP12 GDS timetable and inventory display, Air India in October 2012 continues to operate Delhi Tokyo Narita service at reduced frequencies.
The airline from 01OCT12 to 26OCT12 operates this route twice a week, on board Boeing 777-300ER aircraft.
Schedule:
AI306 DEL2110 0845+1NRT 77W 25
AI307 NRT1130 1655DEL 77W 36
Source: Airlineroute.net
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This is confusing. Right now, DEL-NRT and back is being done by the 332, VT-IWB. In October, it will be a 77W, at a reduced frequency. In November, it will be a 77L, 4w. I have a selfish reason in asking this, since I am due to take AI 306 on 09 Nov DEL-NRT, and AI 307 on 15 Nov NRT-DEL.
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| What happened to Narita being a money-maker for AI? If it was that profitable, they'd be back to a full schedule. Meanwhile, ANA is making plans to launch a daily 763 to DEL in a month or so. |
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What is with the endless tinkering of their routes every other month? I get the inevitable swap between a 77L and a W, but plying a 2-weekly 77W on a route, featuring a reasonable hard product is miles apart from those ghastly 332s that will end up on the sector a month later. Who cares if there's an extra frequency per week, all of that is criminally offset by the hilarious product inconsistency on offer.
Just a fictitous example by the way, I know thy haven't strictly done that to NRT or any other route, but you get my drift.
Oh, and it's not just AI of course, 9W seem to have caught the same bug off late.
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Mods ...... can we please amalgamate this thread in to the main AI thread. There is no reason to open up a new thread and clutter the forum screen so much.
Thanks in advance.
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| Devesh wrote: | Mods ...... can we please amalgamate this thread in to the main AI thread. There is no reason to open up a new thread and clutter the forum screen so much.
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Hi Devesh, it wouldn't be the best idea to merge this one with the main AI news thread.
A topic detailing a month's worth of equipment/frequency changes needs to be out in the open and visible to the public eye, as it has the potential for a large amount of discussion and opinion.
Which if present in the main thread would clog the thread of other stories, derail it, or won't generate the said discussion at all, should the topic go unnoticed.
The main thread can and should only be used for tidbits like "Senior Manager of XYZ airlines resigns", "ABC airways introduces new on-board menu" and the like.
Just my take.
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| sumantra wrote: | This is confusing. Right now, DEL-NRT and back is being done by the 332, VT-IWB. In October, it will be a 77W, at a reduced frequency. In November, it will be a 77L, 4w. I have a selfish reason in asking this, since I am due to take AI 306 on 09 Nov DEL-NRT, and AI 307 on 15 Nov NRT-DEL.
Thanks, Sumantra. |
AI has changed to 2 weekly 77W for this month,
Schedule after 28OCT12 is still pending. |
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| jimyvr wrote: | | Schedule after 28OCT12 is still pending. |
Thank you, it will be nice if you can also post the Nov schedule whenever you get wind of it. My travel agent had booked my tickets on the basis of what the AI schedule was available to him then - in fact, I had wanted the return a day later, but neither the NRT nor the KIX flight was shown to operate on 16 Nov. Hence, my visa is between these two dates.
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| Jaysit wrote: | | What happened to Narita being a money-maker for AI? If it was that profitable, they'd be back to a full schedule |
Sanjay, the `full schedule' in the recent past was 4xw. The AI strike took off more credibility from AI's already less-than-ste-LR reputation. The ex-IC had the trump card in the 332s, but the engine blowout at NRT put paid to both being used well. We as enthusiasts may be enthused by a well-maintained old plane, the unique under-floor washroom complex, and the riff-raff, but the ordinary passenger would like to see a good hard product with PTVs, mood lighting and the like, which are there on the 777s, but not on the 332s. The cash crunch with regard to spares meant that only IWB was being operated. Yes, it is a good fit on the long route, as the 787 would be, but the 77L while having a good capacity match, its fuel thirstiness compensates for any gain AI may have on this route, not factoring in the reduced demand after this long strike. AI has traditionally seen good loads on this segment - once operated by the 743 combis Shivaji and Mahendra Varman, and before that, in the JRD hey-days, by the 707s, when it was a unique honour to work for Air India, and they had Japanese cabin crew based at NRT.
| Spiderguy252 wrote: | | Oh, and it's not just AI of course, 9W seem to have caught the same bug off late. |
Varun, isn't that with regard to only the 737 fleet? Their hard product in Y and J continues to be one of the best (and consistent) in the 77Ws and the 332s. Of course, a 77W-332 swap would remove the F class.
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| sumantra wrote: | Varun, isn't that with regard to only the 737 fleet? Their hard product in Y and J continues to be one of the best (and consistent) in the 77Ws and the 332s. Of course, a 77W-332 swap would remove the F class.
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It might just be the 737s for now, but don't forget that they serve the bulk of the domestic network, the Gulf, South and South East Asia. That's a lot of destinations, and having a Konnect configured 738 with all of just 8 J seats ferrying pax on a 4 hour long BOM-BKK sector for example, isn't favourable. Nor is hopping over to SIN on a spanking new 73G with sky interiors, and all of the bells and whistles, only for the return to be on an ex-Lion Air 739 with drop-down PTVs as the sole source of entertainment. It's brand and product confusion at its finest.
9W have made a total meal of their regional operations of late. It's as if they don't care. I know of a friend who as a 9W platinum member made several complaints about this issue to the top brass, and so far, a year and a half on since he first encountered a Konnect bird doing BOM-CMB, hasn't received a meaningful reply. Nor has the aircraft in question - VT-JBT - stopped plying BOM-CMB of course.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Spiderguy252 wrote: | | It might just be the 737s for now, but don't forget that they serve the bulk of the domestic network, the Gulf, South and South East Asia. |
Yes, that is true, Varun.
| Spiderguy252 wrote: | | I know of a friend who as a 9W platinum member made several complaints about this issue to the top brass, and so far, a year and a half on since he first encountered a Konnect bird doing BOM-CMB, hasn't received a meaningful reply |
SM, I believe. Right? Yes, this is unfortunate. |
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That's right, SM it is.
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SM did BOM-CMB last night with UL. He's pretty pissed with 9W.
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| me111993 wrote: | | SM did BOM-CMB last night with UL. He's pretty pissed with 9W. |
There you have it, if a platinum member and frequent flier is dumping the airline in search of greener pastures, it's a systemwide problem that 9W need to address with 50+ aircraft, and 70+ destinations.
Sadly there are no signs of this happening in the near future - 9W continue to lease in owned -900s and ply their Konnect birds to international destinations at will. Unfathomable, really.
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| Spiderguy252 wrote: | | me111993 wrote: | | SM did BOM-CMB last night with UL. He's pretty pissed with 9W. |
There you have it, if a platinum member and frequent flier is dumping the airline in search of greener pastures, it's a systemwide problem that 9W need to address with 50+ aircraft, and 70+ destinations.
Sadly there are no signs of this happening in the near future - 9W continue to lease in owned -900s and ply their Konnect birds to international destinations at will. Unfathomable, really. |
There you have it. And it's nothing new and no longer unfathomable either; the defection started a while ago. Not surprising, because plats and premium flyers are of little consequence to Jet; it's all about bulk transport of bais and backpackers for them.
JetZophrenia more and more resembles the Old Air India : a flying lobotomy.
Jetuna Matata and all that jazz.
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| sumantra wrote: | | Jaysit wrote: | | What happened to Narita being a money-maker for AI? If it was that profitable, they'd be back to a full schedule |
Yes, it is a good fit on the long route, as the 787 would be, but the 77L while having a good capacity match, its fuel thirstiness compensates for any gain AI may have on this route, not factoring in the reduced demand after this long strike. . |
But the 77L doesn't need a full complement of fuel on a relatively shorter distance like DEL-NRT which would result in a far lower take-off weight and overall burn rate. The problem isn't the 77L so much, but the fact that few business travelers would risk flying AI today. I just can't imagine how or why anyone paying full fare in J or F would consider AI's 2 weekly NRT services when JL and NH or CX can get you there on a daily or near daily schedule. |
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| Jaysit wrote: | | But the 77L doesn't need a full complement of fuel on a relatively shorter distance like DEL-NRT which would result in a far lower take-off weight and overall burn rate. The problem isn't the 77L so much, but the fact that few business travelers would risk flying AI today. I just can't imagine how or why anyone paying full fare in J or F would consider AI's 2 weekly NRT services when JL and NH or CX can get you there on a daily or near daily schedule. |
Sanjay, even with the lower fuel amount, the plane apparently guzzles quite a lot - I spoke to two commanders informally about it.
Second, forget the F or J passengers, the same is true of Y passengers, too - this recent IPG strike eroded the image of the airline completely. At a personal level, I am looking forward to yet another good Y experience with AI on the DEL-NRT and NRT-DEL segments in November. I just hope they keep the `usual' 4 per week schedule in November. Of course, I will not mind a 787 on the route!
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| jasepl wrote: | | Spiderguy252 wrote: | | me111993 wrote: | | SM did BOM-CMB last night with UL. He's pretty pissed with 9W. |
There you have it, if a platinum member and frequent flier is dumping the airline in search of greener pastures, it's a systemwide problem that 9W need to address with 50+ aircraft, and 70+ destinations.
Sadly there are no signs of this happening in the near future - 9W continue to lease in owned -900s and ply their Konnect birds to international destinations at will. Unfathomable, really. |
There you have it. And it's nothing new and no longer unfathomable either; the defection started a while ago. Not surprising, because plats and premium flyers are of little consequence to Jet; it's all about bulk transport of bais and backpackers for them.
JetZophrenia more and more resembles the Old Air India : a flying lobotomy.
Jetuna Matata and all that jazz. |
Tell you what, his biggest displeasure with using an 8/162 configd 737 is that your chances of getting upgraded to J become 0, because J is almost always full, and the last time he took UL, he got a new A320, with IFE, which was not the case this time, ex-DN A320.
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| me111993 wrote: | | Tell you what, his biggest displeasure with using an 8/162 configd 737 is that your chances of getting upgraded to J become 0, because J is almost always full, and the last time he took UL, he got a new A320, with IFE, which was not the case this time, ex-DN A320. |
UL have their own fleet consistency problems, largely of their own making, but that's another debate.
The 320s are most affected, and not just due to the ex-Deccan aircraft brought in; they are closely followed by their mish-mash of an A330 fleet. Off the top of my head I recall that they leased in one from BMI recently - which then turned out to be the only aircraft that had lie flat J seats in the entire fleet. At the same time they're relaunching their own J product, with their own lie-flat seats et al. Moreover, the IFEs in all classes are being upgraded to AVOD as well, and a couple of the A340s are really starting to fall apart. Of course, the A340s which were flying before the EK days are not scheduled to get the IFE upgrade.
It's an equally horrendous mess down in the emerald isle.
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