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me111993
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One of the aircrafts is registered VT-JBV, B737-8HX, has its first flight on the 11th of September 07', incredibly enough, Airfleets has no past record of this a/c's previous registration.
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| Are all the new A/C replacements or are they accounted for in the new flights announced? |
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me111993
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| nadarji wrote: | | Are all the new A/C replacements or are they accounted for in the new flights announced? |
They announced 46 new domestic flights in the Winter Schedules, I assume not all of them are in operation as of now.
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| I might be going off topic here. Someone had asked for JNB route seat factor for Jet airways in Part 4. It has gone up marginally to 45.5% in Q2 compared to 41% in Q1 this financial year. |
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| maut3000 wrote: | | I might be going off topic here. Someone had asked for JNB route seat factor for Jet airways in Part 4. It has gone up marginally to 45.5% in Q2 compared to 41% in Q1 this financial year. |
Which is still abysmal. I think Jet is guilty of the same mistake IT committed when they entered the already oversaturated BOM-LHR sector. Making life difficult for everyone.
South African has been operating a 4xweekly 342 on this route for many years now. How did Jet expect to win with a daily 332? Did they expect traffic to spike overnight? Obviously that has not happened, World Cup or not and the same traffic gets divided amongst the existing players on the route.
Now it's a matter of who blinks and exits first. Chances of SA exiting are unlikely, since they are probably profiting from connecting options to Southern Africa/South America. They have Star going for them as well, unlike poor alliance-less 9W because of which it has been knocking off frequencies on the route.
9W could do well to pull out of JNB altogether and up a few lucrative regional 737 routes to the 330, like BOM/DEL-DXB, MAA-KUL/SIN, etc.
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If 9W is not doing well in JNB, then will they do well in Milan? or will that also be an experimental route?
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I have never understood, why 9W wants to start any new sector with daily flights. They can start off with 3-4 flights per week and then increase the number of flights depending on the performance.
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| a bit out of touch but is 9W still operating the 777s on DEL-LHR? |
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| Kabir wrote: | | a bit out of touch but is 9W still operating the 777s on DEL-LHR? |
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| G-BYGB wrote: | | If 9W is not doing well in JNB, then will they do well in Milan? or will that also be an experimental route? |
Good question. I'm of the opinion that starting with daily frequencies was a risk. However, one can expect them to do well in the coming season, even with 7/wk operations. Post Feb11, I expect the route would struggle. |
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| Spiderguy252 wrote: | | Now it's a matter of who blinks and exits first. Chances of SA exiting are unlikely, since they are probably profiting from connecting options to Southern Africa/South America. They have Star going for them as well, unlike poor alliance-less 9W because of which it has been knocking off frequencies on the route. |
I thought I read recently that SA is thinking of exiting on this route and code sharing with 9W. Which would make total sense as SA can probably use the a/c more profitably elsewhere, and provide a daily frequency to it's passengers as well (through 9W). Until the traffic picks up signficantly (41% is pathetic), there's no point both operators being on this route and competing with "all points in India" to "multiple points in Africa" via DXB.
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| Nimish wrote: | | I thought I read recently that SA is thinking of exiting on this route and code sharing with 9W. Which would make total sense as SA can probably use the a/c more profitably elsewhere, and provide a daily frequency to it's passengers as well (through 9W). Until the traffic picks up signficantly (41% is pathetic), there's no point both operators being on this route and competing with "all points in India" to "multiple points in Africa" via DXB. |
That was considered by SA back when 9W had announced it's intentions of launching the route. But they would have pulled out by now if that went ahead. There seems to be a backtracking of some sort and SA have decided that they are here to stay. Rightfully so, why would they want to exit a market like India? Remember, India contributed a lot of tourist traffic to South Africa in 2009.
Also factor in SA's Star Alliance compulsions. It would make sense to codeshare if 9W were to join Star in the near future but that doesn't seem likely anytime soon, or if at all!
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JNB had direct competition from SAA, and no codeshare at the other end.
Malpensa has no direct competition, more inherent traffic originating at both ends, and a codeshare with Alitalia.
Not that said codeshare will amount to much for beyond-Milan traffic. Once Jet start codesharing on AZ flights through Malpensa, passengers will be able to connect to exactly two destinations: Naples and Rome.
AZ do fly to a handful of other destinations from MXP, but they don't connect with the Jet flight in one direction or the other (or both).
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| Spiderguy252 wrote: | | Nimish wrote: | | I thought I read recently that SA is thinking of exiting on this route and code sharing with 9W. Which would make total sense as SA can probably use the a/c more profitably elsewhere, and provide a daily frequency to it's passengers as well (through 9W). Until the traffic picks up signficantly (41% is pathetic), there's no point both operators being on this route and competing with "all points in India" to "multiple points in Africa" via DXB. |
That was considered by SA back when 9W had announced it's intentions of launching the route. But they would have pulled out by now if that went ahead. There seems to be a backtracking of some sort and SA have decided that they are here to stay. Rightfully so, why would they want to exit a market like India? Remember, India contributed a lot of tourist traffic to South Africa in 2009.
Also factor in SA's Star Alliance compulsions. It would make sense to codeshare if 9W were to join Star in the near future but that doesn't seem likely anytime soon, or if at all! |
It was announced again that SA was considering quitting this route, just sometime ago when the 9W-SA codeshare was announced, however that said, the term 'pending government approval' has a lot more meaning here because 9W has been barred to add any new codeshares with Star Alliance carriers until AI joins the alliance, some time ago when the 9W-BD codeshare was announced, it was unilateral, codeshare, the 9W Code doesnot exist on anyone of BMI's flights so what I suspect is that if the government makes an exception and grants 9W Rights for this bilateral codeshare, than SA would mull over quitting this route.
Also, in the press release, the loads for 9W's JNB operations were mentioned to be somewhere between 60-70%.
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| me111993 wrote: | | some time ago when the 9W-BD codeshare was announced, it was unilateral, codeshare, the 9W Code doesnot exist on anyone of BMI's flights |
If that is true, then 9W is in a fix wrt their codeshare ops ex-LHR. They can't possibly codeshare with BA either.
| me111993 wrote: | | if the government makes an exception and grants 9W Rights for this bilateral codeshare, than SA would mull over quitting this route. |
I don't think so. SA haven't budged regarding their BOM operation with or without 9W competing on the route. They have been operating 4xweekly for years, why will they suddenly quit tomorrow? If anything, 9W may quit the route and choose to just codeshare with SA (if permitted) and use their 332 elsewhere. SA has more to lose leaving BOM-JNB than 9W, who will find another destination to fly their 330 to sooner or later. Thanks to the limited traffic on this route, a 9W-SA codeshare will be a sort of a win-win situation for both carriers.
Just curious though, if the GoI isn't permitting 9W to codeshare with any of the Star carriers then why doesn't AI have a codeshare with SA on it's JNB flight?
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http://airlinersindia.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=10194&highlight=9wsa+codeshare*
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| Quote: | “The two carriers would code-share on the trunk Mumbai-Johannesburg route. The issue is currently pending with civil aviation ministry," a Jet Airways official said.
Jet seeks to provide its customers the option to fly with South African Airways for onward connectivity to cities such as Cape Town and Durban. The proposed agreement would allow the South African Airlines passengers to book tickets on Jet Airways' network in India. “The flight is not doing as we had expected at the time of its launch. On an average we are seeing a occupancy of 60-70% on the flight. The code-share with the South African carrier would help us get more passengers,” the official said. |
This is what I was referring to, if there was ever a code-share, most certainly, one of the two carriers would pull out, this comment, refers to (in most probability) 9W talking about BOM-JNB..
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There is not sufficient traffic for two airlines on India-South Africa route. Jet is losing more money on this route than what it had expected but it must have factored in this," Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation (CAPA) India head Kapil Kaul said. Jet Airways had introduced the flight hoping to get tourist and business traffic on the route which is growing at about 8-10% annually.
"Going forward I expect South African Airways to pull out from Mumbai-Johannesburg. They have already reduced frequency on this route," Kaul added. |
Now, the reason I support this notion is because, there's more traffic from places like RAJ/BHJ/AMD and little to BLR/DEL to both JNB/DUR, not as much between BOM-GRU/EZE/JNB/DUR that SA would cater too...
I may be wrong here, just my gut feel!! 
| Spiderguy252 wrote: | If that is true, then 9W is in a fix wrt their codeshare ops ex-LHR. They can't possibly codeshare with BA either.
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Why's that??? 9W have been barred from adding further code-shares with Star Carriers, code-shares with UA/AC are still in full effect!
One more thing, one reason for 9W going down to 5 Weekly on BOM-JNB is that, with DEL-SIN an A332 operation, and the 2 Weekly LHR operations, they actually have no spare A332's!!
Out of 12,
2 >> BOM-BRU-EWR
2 >> DEL-BRU-YYZ
2 >> MAA-BRU-JFK
2 >> DEL/BOM-SIN
2 >> DEL/BOM-HKG
1 >> BOM-JNB
1 >> BOM-LHR!!!
| Spiderguy252 wrote: | | Just curious though, if the GoI isn't permitting 9W to codeshare with any of the Star carriers then why doesn't AI have a codeshare with SA on it's JNB flight? |
It's AI!!!
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| Spiderguy252 wrote: | | I don't think so. SA haven't budged regarding their BOM operation with or without 9W competing on the route. They have been operating 4xweekly for years, why will they suddenly quit tomorrow? If anything, 9W may quit the route and choose to just codeshare with SA (if permitted) and use their 332 elsewhere. SA has more to lose leaving BOM-JNB than 9W, who will find another destination to fly their 330 to sooner or later. Thanks to the limited traffic on this route, a 9W-SA codeshare will be a sort of a win-win situation for both carriers. |
Absolutely. If either had to dump the route, it makes infinitely more sense for Jet to bow out.
1. It doesn't seem like BOM-JNB can stand just on its own, for either airline, without connecting feed at one end or the other
2. Without a codeshare or some sort of agreement, it is difficult for Jet to get the feed at the JNB end
3. At the India end, Jet's timings are crap for domestic connections, so many people who would otherwise fly them, end up taking a foreign airline; it's bad enough to have to connect at BOM, but to sit around all night until the first AMD, BDQ, CCU departures in the morning is pushing it too far for many passengers
4. SAA at least have good connections to a number of places in Southern Africa and South America (you will be surprised at the volume of traffic between India and Brazil, Argentina etc)
While international-international passengers are certainly important, I really do think Jet need to look at their home market more closely and serve it better. It is unfortunate that they don't.
O and when did SAA cut frequency like that Kaul dude's saying? I thought they've been steady at 4 weekly for a while now.
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| jasepl wrote: | | O and when did SAA cut frequency like that Kaul dude's saying? I thought they've been steady at 4 weekly for a while now. |
They didn't. In fact, next summer will see a product and capacity upgrade from the 342 to the 343. SA are not going anywhere folks!
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| Spiderguy252 wrote: | | jasepl wrote: | | O and when did SAA cut frequency like that Kaul dude's saying? I thought they've been steady at 4 weekly for a while now. |
They didn't. In fact, next summer will see a product and capacity upgrade from the 342 to the 343. SA are not going anywhere folks! |
Agreed. They're likely doing just fine on the BOM route. They aren't the sort to hang on to a route just for the sake of hanging on to it like some airlines do. SAA have been typically been pretty quick to dump underperforming routes.
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| jasepl wrote: | | Spiderguy252 wrote: | | jasepl wrote: | | O and when did SAA cut frequency like that Kaul dude's saying? I thought they've been steady at 4 weekly for a while now. |
They didn't. In fact, next summer will see a product and capacity upgrade from the 342 to the 343. SA are not going anywhere folks! |
Agreed. They're likely doing just fine on the BOM route. They aren't the sort to hang on to a route just for the sake of hanging on to it like some airlines do. SAA have been typically been pretty quick to dump underperforming routes. |
Lets wait and watch!  I'd still say that if bilateral code-shares get approved, SA bows out.
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9W can still afford to continue with the BOM-JHB route for another year,with frequency reduce to 4 per week,as Varun pointed out in the previous post.
I don't have the figures, but I think there are still lot of Indian tourists travelling to South Africa regularly.
Btw when is Jet airways going to bring back their B77Ws registered VT-JEA and VT-JEJ in thier livery, which is at the moment leased to Thai airways?
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AFAIK, the TG ones come back late 2012, but 9W gets back 4 till November next year from TK...
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| Hi, Does any body know what the jet airways 330 doing the MAA - BRU -EWR rotation go after landing in chennai in the morning. I usually find it parked in the remote bays. For past few weeks find it missing> |
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| ashwin wrote: | | Hi, Does any body know what the jet airways 330 doing the MAA - BRU -EWR rotation go after landing in chennai in the morning. I usually find it parked in the remote bays. For past few weeks find it missing> |
Actually the route is MAA-BRU-JFK, the aircraft arrives from BRU at 0005 and departs back to BRU/JFK at 0135, that was actually a spare aircraft which was in MAA, 9W has upgraded their DEL-SIN flight to an A332 for the month of November, and then an A332 will operate DEL-MXP from the 5th of December, hence no spare A330's in MAA from now on!
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| me111993 wrote: | | Actually the route is MAA-BRU-JFK, the aircraft arrives from BRU at 0005 and departs back to BRU/JFK at 0135, that was actually a spare aircraft which was in MAA, 9W has upgraded their DEL-SIN flight to an A332 for the month of November, and then an A332 will operate DEL-MXP from the 5th of December, hence no spare A330's in MAA from now on! |
That's right. The spare 332 was parked in MAA during the day. I had clicked it back in May.
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| me111993 wrote: | | ashwin wrote: | | Hi, Does any body know what the jet airways 330 doing the MAA - BRU -EWR rotation go after landing in chennai in the morning. I usually find it parked in the remote bays. For past few weeks find it missing> |
Actually the route is MAA-BRU-JFK, the aircraft arrives from BRU at 0005 and departs back to BRU/JFK at 0135, that was actually a spare aircraft which was in MAA, 9W has upgraded their DEL-SIN flight to an A332 for the month of November, and then an A332 will operate DEL-MXP from the 5th of December, hence no spare A330's in MAA from now on! |
On my recent flight via BRU, I realized that 9W rotates their flights at BRU. VT-JWQ that flew me from BOM to BRU, was used onward to JFK instead of EWR. So its not necessary that the same bird does MAA-BRU and BRU-JFK. Similarly DEL-BRU-YYZ and BOM-BRU-EWR. I guess having an all 332 ops at BRU, gives them this flexibility. From a loads perspective, the BOM-BRU sector had 147 pax on a Wednesday flight. I am guessing the other flights were also doing good, given the huge lines at the transit security.
Most Indian families seem to have been on the EWR flight from BRU. This from my observation that a lot of Tamil speaking families (mostly senior citizens) who I presume had arrived by the MAA flight were headed to the EWR flight.
The JFK flight itself had about 30% Indians, 30% Europeans/Americans, 20% Israeli/Jewish and remaining Africans. I was surprised by the number of Orthodox Jewish passengers, who had connected from TLV via SN. 9W served Kosher meal on board. |
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Thanks for the info Justbala, this is the reason why 9W's SN connections are so very important!
How were the loads on the BRU-JFK leg, honestly speaking 147/220 is pretty poor, specially considering it was the BOM-BRU leg!
There would be switches on the aircraft used for maintainence/operational issues, that said, DEL-BRU-YYZ is operated by 2 specially configured (high density economy) configuration, 18/236 (AFAIK), instead of the regular 30/190. Have you travelled any one of these specially configured a/c's (VT-JWD/JWE) after they were returned by Oman Air, sometime post Winter 09', I still am not sure weather these a/c's have been reconfigured with flagship 9W config or they carry the same old interiors in which they were originally delivered in 05'?
Thanks!
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| justbala wrote: | | me111993 wrote: | | ashwin wrote: | | Hi, Does any body know what the jet airways 330 doing the MAA - BRU -EWR rotation go after landing in chennai in the morning. I usually find it parked in the remote bays. For past few weeks find it missing> |
Actually the route is MAA-BRU-JFK, the aircraft arrives from BRU at 0005 and departs back to BRU/JFK at 0135, that was actually a spare aircraft which was in MAA, 9W has upgraded their DEL-SIN flight to an A332 for the month of November, and then an A332 will operate DEL-MXP from the 5th of December, hence no spare A330's in MAA from now on! |
On my recent flight via BRU, I realized that 9W rotates their flights at BRU. VT-JWQ that flew me from BOM to BRU, was used onward to JFK instead of EWR. So its not necessary that the same bird does MAA-BRU and BRU-JFK. Similarly DEL-BRU-YYZ and BOM-BRU-EWR. I guess having an all 332 ops at BRU, gives them this flexibility. From a loads perspective, the BOM-BRU sector had 147 pax on a Wednesday flight. I am guessing the other flights were also doing good, given the huge lines at the transit security.
Most Indian families seem to have been on the EWR flight from BRU. This from my observation that a lot of Tamil speaking families (mostly senior citizens) who I presume had arrived by the MAA flight were headed to the EWR flight.
The JFK flight itself had about 30% Indians, 30% Europeans/Americans, 20% Israeli/Jewish and remaining Africans. I was surprised by the number of Orthodox Jewish passengers, who had connected from TLV via SN. 9W served Kosher meal on board. |
Yes, Totally agree here!! I shifted to the US about a year ago and fly with 9W to Chennai during my holidays.
Some observations on the flights that I have taken so far (That's about 4 times ORD - JFK - MAA return) -
1. MAA - BRU is mostly full in Y, the times that I have taken it. A good percentage of the pax are headed to other european destinations, mainly in France.
2. Pax profile on MAA - BRU is mostly Indians with a few French tourists.
3. It is the complete opposite on BRU - JFK, where there are very few Indians and a lot of people from Europe, Israel and Africa.
4. Regarding catering, 9W's catering from MAA, BRU is very good. However I wouldn't say the same about JFK. JFK's catering shows cost cutting clearly. The meal portions are less and the pre-arrival breakfast on JFK - BRU is almost similar to other European Airlines. Usually there are no options and it consists of a banana, yogurt, muffin and bread. Not complaining because they are way ahead of competition (AA and DL) in this sector.
5. Another thing is that this flight was late, each time I took it. They make up the delay in the air. The crew tells that this is mostly due to the congestion in JFK and the short turn-around at MAA. |
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| me111993 wrote: | http://airlinersindia.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=10194&highlight=9wsa+codeshare*
Now, the reason I support this notion is because, there's more traffic from places like RAJ/BHJ/AMD and little to BLR/DEL to both JNB/DUR, not as much between BOM-GRU/EZE/JNB/DUR that SA would cater too...
I may be wrong here, just my gut feel!!
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The majority of traffic to JNB is from DEL after BOM.
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| Spiderguy252 wrote: | | Just curious though, if the GoI isn't permitting 9W to codeshare with any of the Star carriers then why doesn't AI have a codeshare with SA on it's JNB flight? |
It's AI!!! |
They DO have a codeshare guys |
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iah87
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When will 9W cut back on the JNB route to say 4 times a week. If the route is doing well, it is time to cut the frequency now.
Also agree that Jet is not taking advantage of the domestic connection pax. If it is a pain to connect, then pax will stick to SAA or go via DXB or DOH.
My cousin travels frequently to JNB and he tells me that 9W is not competitive on fares. His company booked him on SAA, even though he wanted to go on 9W. |
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| iah87 wrote: | | When will 9W cut back on the JNB route to say 4 times a week. If the route is doing well, it is time to cut the frequency now. |
9W are at 5 flights a week at the moment, down from 7 at the time of launch. If they can't make it work even now I think it's ideal for them to quit and either:
1. Replace a few regional 737 routes that are excelling in load factors. BOM-DXB, DEL-DXB, MAA-SIN, BOM-BKK come to mind.
2. Start a new operation. They have a bunch of 77Ws coming online in the next two years, both from Boeing and TK. If they are planning to launch flights to South East Asia/Australia/Europe it would be best if they start cultivating those cities with the 332 freed.
I have no idea where the 333 comes into 9W's plans. They will be receiving 5 of them IIRC.
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Also remember Italy-India traffic is more than double the size of O&D versus South Africa-India even though South Africa has 7 times more Indians living there!
The volume of traffic between DEL and MXP is more than BOM-JNB + DEL-JNB put together!!!
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Jet Airways has added two new ATR-72s to the fleet, as VT-JCS & VT-JCT.
And today, a third, as VT-JCR.
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And a fourth today, as VT-JCU.
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Jet gifts tickets to delayed flyers
| Quote: | Mumbai: After being cooped inside an aircraft for four hours followed by an impromptu protest on the airfield and a verbal spat with the Jet Airways crew, the 100-odd Hyderabad-bound passengers had a reason to smile when they reached their destination on Friday night. The airline gave a free ticket to each
passenger on the Mumbai-Hyderabad sector. “It was a good gesture after the chaos,” said J Ram, a Mumbai-based businessman, who was on the flight.
The flight scheduled to leave Mumbai at 6.50pm was initially delayed initially as the crew was waiting for a group of passengers arriving on a delayed JetLite flight from Goa. By the time the JetLite flight reached the city, the co-pilot’s permitted duty time had expired.
“It was wrong on the airline’s part to keep us waiting because another flight was delayed. The least they could have done was to give us correct updates on the flight’s status,” said another passenger. A Jet Airways spokesperson declined comment.
21/11/10 Soubhik Mitra/Hindustan Times |
Wonderful gesture! Clearly differentiates the likes of 9W/S2 with AI/IC!
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It is certainly a good gesture from Jet.
Currently in USA if the passengers on a plane for more than 3 hours in the runway, the carrier is fined $27000 per passenger.
Does DGCA have anything equivalent to this ? |
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Alitalia will put their code on 9W's Milan flight.
DEL - MXP: 9W 142 => AZ 7083
MXP - DEL: 9W 141 => AZ 7082 |
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http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/11/24/350159/jet-airways-said-to-be-unidentified-atr-72-500-customer.html
Jet Airways said to be unidentified ATR 72-500 customer
24/11/10
Jet Airways has emerged as the unidentified customer for an ATR 72-500 order that was confirmed in the first half of this year.
The European turboprop maker unveiled 42 firm orders over the period, including for 12 ATR 72-500s and 30 ATR 72-600s, plus 30 ATR 72 options.
ATR has already identified customers for 36 aircraft: Golden Air, Lao Airlines, Syrian Arab Airlines, Azul and Air Lease, but has not disclosed the client for the other six. Flight International sister publication Commercial Aviation Online reveals Jet as the unidentified customer.
The Indian carrier added four new aircraft (MSNs 919, 920, 924 and 928) in November to bring its ATR 72-500 fleet to 18, with another three aircraft on backlog.
Investec International Lease arranged the financing of the first two aircraft in November, with debt provided by Crédit Agricole Corporate & Investment Banking through an export credit agency (ECA) structure supported by Coface and Sace.
The two aircraft are part of batch of six ATR 72-500s to be delivered before the end of the year. The French bank is also acting as the ECA debt arranger and agent for the remaining four aircraft.
Since the Farnborough air show, ATR has announced an order for nine ATR 72-600s from Caribbean Airlines.
ATR says the deliveries are scheduled until the end of the year.
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| 747-237 wrote: | http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/11/24/350159/jet-airways-said-to-be-unidentified-atr-72-500-customer.html
Jet Airways said to be unidentified ATR 72-500 customer
24/11/10
Jet Airways has emerged as the unidentified customer for an ATR 72-500 order that was confirmed in the first half of this year.
The European turboprop maker unveiled 42 firm orders over the period, including for 12 ATR 72-500s and 30 ATR 72-600s, plus 30 ATR 72 options.
ATR has already identified customers for 36 aircraft: Golden Air, Lao Airlines, Syrian Arab Airlines, Azul and Air Lease, but has not disclosed the client for the other six. Flight International sister publication Commercial Aviation Online reveals Jet as the unidentified customer.
The Indian carrier added four new aircraft (MSNs 919, 920, 924 and 928) in November to bring its ATR 72-500 fleet to 18, with another three aircraft on backlog.
Investec International Lease arranged the financing of the first two aircraft in November, with debt provided by Crédit Agricole Corporate & Investment Banking through an export credit agency (ECA) structure supported by Coface and Sace.
The two aircraft are part of batch of six ATR 72-500s to be delivered before the end of the year. The French bank is also acting as the ECA debt arranger and agent for the remaining four aircraft.
Since the Farnborough air show, ATR has announced an order for nine ATR 72-600s from Caribbean Airlines.
ATR says the deliveries are scheduled until the end of the year. |
Just curious — any reason for why 9W/ATR wouldn't want to disclose this info when the order was placed? |
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Robust International revenue passenger traffic boosts Jet Airways’ leadership across Indian skies
Jet Airways and JetLite post highest On Time Performance amongst all domestic airlines
Oct'10 Oct'09 % Growth
Domestic Operations
Rev Passengers 870,406 785,125 10.9
International Operations
Rev Passenger 382,258 323,679 18.1
JetLite
Rev Passengers 362,692 334,523 8.4
November 22, 2010
MUMBAI: Jet Airways, India’s premier international airline, is proud to announce its 12th straight month of an impressive jump in international passenger revenues with an over 18% rise carrying 3.82 lakh passengers across the globe for the month of October 2010, versus 3.23 lakh in the same period last year, maintaining the top spot with a strong market share of 26.2% and a record On Time Performance.
The growth in international passenger traffic was due to the onset of the festive holiday season and of course the improving global business scenario worldwide. The jump in global traffic also reflected the increasing impact of Jet Airways’ international codeshares and introduction of new routes as well as strategic marketing and network initiatives.
In the domestic market, the festive season during Diwali , lifted domestic passengers revenue by a solid 11%, with the airline carrying 8.70 lakh in October 2010, as compared to 7.85 lakh in the previous year.
This remarkable overall growth, globally and locally, has ensured Jet Airways successfully maintain its leadership position in the Indian aviation skies with 26.2% market share.
Both Jet Airways and JetLite have further improved their On Time Performance among the scheduled domestic carriers in October. As per Director General of Civil Aviation data, Jet Airways and JetLite posted 92.5 % and 92.8% respectively on the critical service parameter of On Time
Performance in October 2010.
Driven by improved customer service quality and its enhanced on time reliability, JetLite, the wholly owned subsidiary of Jet Airways India Ltd, also posted a remarkable seat factor of 81.0%, carrying over 3.62 lakh passengers in October 2010 as compared to 3.34 lakh in the previous year.
According to Mr. Nikos Kardassis, CEO, Jet Airways, “Twelve months of consistent growth in domestic and international traffic, reflect the fact that Jet Airways, is fast emerging the airline of choice for guests travelling to and from the Indian subcontinent. This robust growth is a testimony to our customer centric focus wherein we have introduced unique products like Jet Airways Konnect - dedicated to deliver the “joy of flying” for our guests. In addition, strategic code shares and innovative marketing have given us the required impetus that has helped stay ahead of the industry growth curve. The introduction of new flights into Milan at the heart of Central Europe will undoubtedly further help consolidate our dominant market leadership as a preferred in international airline.”
http://www.jetairways.com/EN/IN/PressReleases/RobustInternational.aspx
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