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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:21 pm    Post subject: Bullet train makes countries sit up Reply with quote

French success with the TGV has made countries sit up and take a second look at the train, says BBC.

Brazil is first off the block to say that it wants to dust old files and relook at a bullet train project between Rio and Sao Paulo as a definite challenge to LCCs.

The project, which should cost over $6 billion and take at least five years to complete, has already attracted the interest of local and foreign firms. The train line should allow travel from one megalopolis to another in less than an hour and a half, compared with about an hour by plane and six hours by bus. The two cities are about 256 miles (430 km) apart.
Brazil has few -- mainly cargo -- railroads, and transports passengers mostly by bus. It nurtured plans for its own bullet train in the 1990s, but a string of economic crises emptied government coffers and slashed Brazilians’ travel budgets.
During a recent visit by Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi to Brazil, Italian firm Impregilo signed a letter of intent with Brazilian industrial group Odebrecht to study its participation in the project.
Japanese, Chinese and South Korean firms had also been showing interest in the project.
The project envisages a train with a top speed of about 168 mph (270 kph) and intervals of 15 minutes between trains. A one-way ticket would cost an estimated $80, slightly less than an air ticket.
France and Germany have expressed interst in the project as France looks to aggressively market the TGV worldwide.

Brazil says that its problems with air travel are similar to many developing markets across the world, especially in Asia.
France says that people now increasingly want cheap, fast, comfortable travel with minimum displacement and a bullet train fits in this perfectly.

France now says it will be talking to Asian countries that now want a way out of tackling the problems of an exploding LCC air market.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe India can look at something similar for BOM-AMD, BOM-PUN, DEL-CHD, HYD-BLR and BLR-MAS ?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe India can look at something similar for BOM-AMD, BOM-PUN, DEL-CHD, HYD-BLR and BLR-MAS ?

Unless its not competitive to AC First Class, it would not be worth
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Problem in India is that large parts of the track will have to be fenced off on both sides. How feasible is that?

This is what the India Railways internal report says.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are plans between the Malaysian and Singapore government of building a high speed bullet train between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigTom wrote:
Maybe India can look at something similar for BOM-AMD, BOM-PUN, DEL-CHD, HYD-BLR and BLR-MAS ?

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Ask me, travelling to my house in Naigaon is a nightmare.
The quadrupling of the tracks from Borivali to Virar will be seen by my grandsons, and ur talking about the TGV.

Also, do not think that we got the BOM=PNQ expressway so we are on the road to success, the red tape is unbearable, which can be seen by the current and reticent efforts to make a second runway in the existing VABB. We won't relocate or budge but hold growth ransom and push back our country back, well that is what has been hapening right Rolling Eyes

Imagine what kind of fools we indians are that would burn down our houses to get rid of a rat.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ask me, travelling to my house in Naigaon is a nightmare.
The quadrupling of the tracks from Borivali to Virar will be seen by my grandsons, and ur talking about the TGV.


Amen Very Happy Very Happy

The pace of quadrupling was almost zero for the past few years. But now it has picked up some speed in the last 3 months or so.

BTW, Don't expect more trains immediately after quadrupling is over. There are some technical issues due to which it will not be possible to run trains on the new tracks (lack of adequate amount of AC/DC locals).
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

India can think of this only after Safety measures like TCAS & security is in place.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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India can think of this only after Safety measures like TCAS & security is in place.
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We still dont have TCAS Rolling Eyes And we want to think about TGV Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Civil aircrafts in India dont have TCAS or TCAS 2 ???
Is that true??
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Civil aircrafts in India dont have TCAS or TCAS 2 ???
Is that true??

Not true.Reffered to as ACAS1 & ACAS2.
http://dgca.nic.in/ftppub/D2I-I8.pdf

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We still dont have TCAS Rolling Eyes And we want to think about TGV Evil or Very Mad


So then we shouldn't even talk about the possibilities but be content with our 'superfast' 160kph trains?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Problem in India is that large parts of the track will have to be fenced off on both sides. How feasible is that?


I think it's quite feasible, of course you need to plan and provide an underpass/flyover every 100-500 meters in populated areas. Or maybe the "Indian style" level crossings will do?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Problem in India is that large parts of the track will have to be fenced off on both sides. How feasible is that?


I think it's quite feasible, of course you need to plan and provide an underpass/flyover every 100-500 meters in populated areas. Or maybe the "Indian style" level crossings will do?


Which ones, the manned or unmanned?
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