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Manish Soni
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 Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:03 am Post subject: Air India's Employees to Aircraft Ratio |
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This is something which has always perplexed me over the years,
The Hindu Suggests its - 330 to 1 while Reuters Puts its at - 230 to 1
Can someone please quote what the actual numbers are & also the stats for other Indian Carriers ?
I'm guessing at the very maximum about half of what AI's figures are.
Also, besides the fact that its a govt co, (pardon me for being stupid but.......) what on earth is the big idea of investing in such a large staff ?
I know axing someone's job is a terrible thing to do & it may be an absolute calamity on the aggrieved person (especially after a certain age wherein he/she may find it very difficult to find alternate employment besides the obvious riots expected by the unions & political parties) but, cant they just be shifted to other new/upcoming governmental projects which require manpower rather than burden AI ?
Your thoughts & inputs please.......... |
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HAWK21M
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The ideal ratio should be anywhere between 1:130-170.
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I dont know why it is this way, but the ugly truth is that in most of the departments of AI, there are two people doing one man job. What would the company gain if it has so many powerless DGM's running around? In short Air India is Overpaid and Overstaffed.
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| con spirito wrote: | | I dont know why it is this way, but the ugly truth is that in most of the departments of AI, there are two people doing one man job. What would the company gain if it has so many powerless DGM's running around? In short Air India is Overpaid and Overstaffed. |
That's a well known fact. But since they are owned by the GoI, those 'extra' employees cannot be fired.
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| Overstaffed and cannot be fired - This is one of the main reasons, Tata and SQ walked out of the deals to takeover AI. And no one will touch them in the future unless staffing issue can be solved. |
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Mintra
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| Spiderguy252 wrote: | | con spirito wrote: | | I dont know why it is this way, but the ugly truth is that in most of the departments of AI, there are two people doing one man job. What would the company gain if it has so many powerless DGM's running around? In short Air India is Overpaid and Overstaffed. |
That's a well known fact. But since they are owned by the GoI, those 'extra' employees cannot be fired. |
Then why were they hired in the first place? 
It is not as if the scale of AI's operations has changed drastically in the past few years. Why hire so many in the first place when you know you can't fire them later? |
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con spirito
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| Mintra wrote: |
Then why were they hired in the first place?
It is not as if the scale of AI's operations has changed drastically in the past few years. Why hire so many in the first place when you know you can't fire them later? |
Thats where lack of planning comes into picture. There are so many instances of lack of planning in AI, one being when Boeing had just delivered the 777's and AI had no pilots to fy them.
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me111993
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I have a strange thought here. Can't the ground staff members, pilots and maintinence engineers be outsourced?? If there is a single compamy who hires these people and airlines then inturn contract these people for a specific period of time, almost literally leasing them. The airline would then have all correspondence with this single company only.
This would solve a lot of employment related problems faced by airlines today.
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con spirito
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Ground staff are outsourced by AI to Livewel Aviation out here at BOM.
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Manish Soni
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| HAWK21M wrote: | The ideal ratio should be anywhere between 1:130-170.
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And that should go down slightly as you add to the fleet right ?
| iah87 wrote: | | Overstaffed and cannot be fired - This is one of the main reasons, Tata and SQ walked out of the deals to takeover AI. And no one will touch them in the future unless staffing issue can be solved. |
Bingo 
Question : If AI ever decides to offload equity, why on earth would anyone want to buy into it if the GOI is going to be a majority stakeholder ?
I'm not sure if this has been submitted in the recent proposals to bring back AI to profitability etc to the govt but do they really expect people to buy their shares ? |
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HAWK21M
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| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:43 am Post subject: |
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Major hurdle is Demotivated Employees.....
The 68 aircraft will drop the ratio but still not enough to turn profits unless people decide to work,which majority don't.
Privatize is one way.
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