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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:02 pm    Post subject: Washington gasps as Hillary Clinton gets blunt in Pakistan Reply with quote

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Washington gasps at Hillary charm-el-shake offensive that leaves Islamabad stunned
30 Oct 2009
TNN

WASHINGTON: It was supposed to be a charm offensive, but as the day wore on she put away her charm and went on the offensive. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s public dressing down of Pakistan during a three-day visit there, including virtually accusing the country of complicity with al-Qaida, has shaken Washington as much as it stunned her hosts.

"Her inner voice became her outer voice," Martha Raddatz, a veteran NBC correspondent said on the network, explaining that while many in the administration believed what she said to be true (that Pakistan is coddling terrorists), it was rare for America's top diplomat to say it publicly. Officials in Washington were trying to keep a straight face, but there were a few gasps, she added.

Clinton's blunt remarks came during a pow-wow with half-dozen combative senior Pakistani journalists who harried her about US policy in the region.

"Al-Qaida has had safe haven in Pakistan since 2002," she finally asserted when challenged about Washington’s tough prescriptions for Islamabad. "I find it hard to believe that nobody in your government knows where they are and couldn't get them if they really wanted to."

After having publicly doubted the bona fides of her hosts, she added, as an afterthought: "Maybe that's the case; maybe they're not gettable...I don't know. As far as we know, they are in Pakistan." At one point during the exchanges, when a journalist spoke about all the services rendered by Pakistan for the US, Mrs Clinton snapped, "We have also given you billions."

The US Secretary of State also took a swipe at the Pakistani military and intelligence agencies, telling the senior journalists, "If we are going
to have a mature partnership where we work together" then "there are issues that not just the United States but others have with your government and with your military security establishment." She said she was "more than willing to hear every complaint about the United States'' but the relationship had to be a "two-way street."

Clinton’s caustic comments came even as Pakistani forces recovered the passport of 9/11 plotter Said Bahaji in South Waziristan, underscoring yet another reason for the relentless US pressure not to allow al-Qaida and its affiliates to have a safe base there. In US, several terror suspects apprehended by authorities over the years, including a Pakistani-American from Chicago held earlier this month, have said they visited Pakistan’s Fata region to hook up with terrorist handlers.

But Clinton seemed unable to convince her hosts that they were in the ground zero of terrorism. Some Pakistani analysts have argued in the past that 9/11 was essentially a plot hatched in Europe by mostly Saudi nationals. Other wing-nut conspiracy theorists blame US and Israel. But US investigators have pointed to the Pakistan-Afghanistan border region as the base for the hijackers and many other terrorist enterprises -- one reason why Washington is insistent on sanitizing the area.

The 9/11 investigations in fact pointed to Mohammed Atta and co., emerging from the area and subsequently receiving money transfers from Pakistan when they moved to the United States. Most terrorist attacks across the world, going back to the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993, have also been traced to Pakistan, rather than to Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq.

Clinton appeared to get feisty after a meeting with university students in Lahore where she had to entertain several whiny questions about US' treatment of a long-serving ally. "They described a litany of slights, betrayals and misunderstandings that add up to a national narrative of grievance, against which she did her best to push back,'' the New York Times said in its description of the event.

And push back she did. Faced with criticism about what some Pakistanis believe is inadequate US aid, Clinton suggested to a group of Pakistani businessmen that it’s about time the country also learnt to take care of itself instead.

"At the risk of sounding undiplomatic, Pakistan has to have internal investment in your public services and your business opportunities," Clinton
said, adding, in a reference to the large-scale tax evasion in the country. ''The percentage of taxes on GDP is among the lowest in the world... We (the United States) tax everything that moves and doesn’t move, and that’s not what we see in Pakistan."

She then issued a stark warning to the country: ''You do have 180 million people. Your population is projected to be about 300 million. And I don’t know what you’re gonna do with that kind of challenge, unless you start planning right now."

Earlier, at the meeting with students, she essayed a similar warning to a questioner who complained about the US forcing Pakistan to fight a war on its own territory: "If you want to see your territory shrink [by allowing terrorists to expand their space], that’s your choice. But I don’t think that’s the right choice."

Clinton’s remarks rocked Washington on the eve of President Obama’s seventh, and possibly final, review of the Af-Pak strategy, slated for Friday. ''She is challenging them...it is a high-risk strategy,'' Richard Haas, a prominent policy pundit, said in a television interview.

But despite the charm offensive heading into a potential PR disaster, the word in Washington is that Uncle Sam will continue to lavish more guns and butter on Pakistan, as it has done for decades, this time in the name of defeating terrorism. If anything, Pakistan's own angry counter-offensive is poised to yield an even bigger bonanza.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While Ms. Clinton probably spoke the truth, this is going to end up as a major diplomatic fiasco!

That being said, the truth can be bitter, and Pakistan will have to learn that
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally we have an American politician who has directly addressed this issue with Pakistan. She is the lone voice in the Obama administration in contrast with the direct appeasement of the Pakistanis of the other foreign policy officials under Obama and even Obama himself.

Pakistani's were concerned during the election that she could become the President and for India's sake I wish she was the president.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nimish wrote:
While Ms. Clinton probably spoke the truth, this is going to end up as a major diplomatic fiasco!

That being said, the truth can be bitter, and Pakistan will have to learn that


I don't think that this will turn into a scandal of any sorts inside the US. People are getting sick of hearing about how Pakistan allows Al-Qaeda and Taliban forces in, and we don't like seeing billions of dollars going to Pakistan when we could definitely use it here. Some Middle Easterners may get in a tizzy over this, but who cares?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really dont think any Middle Easterners (especially the rich ones) will get ruffled.
They'd be grateful that someone else is doing the dirty work of straight-talking to Pakistan.

Middle Eastern countries would just as sooner want to get rid of Qaeda and get on with their oily business.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssbmat wrote:
I really dont think any Middle Easterners (especially the rich ones) will get ruffled.
They'd be grateful that someone else is doing the dirty work of straight-talking to Pakistan.

Middle Eastern countries would just as sooner want to get rid of Qaeda and get on with their oily business.


The middle-easterns need PAK ARMY as a last resort against the SHITE IRAN.

AQ was created and funded by the Saudis to spread Islam into C-Asia and S-Asia thru its various tentacles (Let, JuD,HuJI etc). Al-qaeda was the frankenstein that turned on the ME monarchy to the glee of the PA, initially. PA has used the AQ to fund its coffers from both the ME and USA.

Now the US has turned the game on the PA by forcing it against AQ.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its about time someone told the deluded and prickly Pakistani media composed mostly of the upper class elite what the ground realities are.

These people live in their protected enclaves and think that the Islamic insurgency taking over their country is something outside their little bubble.

They also have the nerve to whine and complain about how US aid to Pakistan (billions of dollars in aid) comes with strings regarding the issue of Pakistani terrorist groups. As Hillary rightly said "no one's forcing you to take our money." Essentialyl a F--- you.

As for the US, we are wasting our time in Afghanistan when the real problem lies across the border in Pakistan.

Frankly, I think that the US needs to identify every nuke Pakistan possesses, and then wipe out every single of its nuclear and military facilities. Problem solved. No more possibility of radical Islamicists with nukes. I'm sure the US knows where each and every gram of nuclear material in Pakistan lies.

As for the rest of the Middle East, those Arabs and Persians and North Africans couldn't give a damn about Pakistan. Most disdain Pakistanis (as they do all others from the subcontinent) as somehow being lesser beings. They're a bunch of tribalists with pan-Arab bonds first, and Muslims second.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jaysit wrote:
As for the rest of the Middle East, those Arabs and Persians and North Africans couldn't give a damn about Pakistan. Most disdain Pakistanis (as they do all others from the subcontinent) as somehow being lesser beings. They're a bunch of tribalists with pan-Arab bonds first, and Muslims second.


+1

The same treatment is meted out by the Gulf to their poorer cousins in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, etc. They are all the same though.......Pakistan doesn't even come into the picture.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iah87 wrote:
Finally we have an American politician who has directly addressed this issue with Pakistan. She is the lone voice in the Obama administration in contrast with the direct appeasement of the Pakistanis of the other foreign policy officials under Obama and even Obama himself.

Pakistani's were concerned during the election that she could become the President and for India's sake I wish she was the president.


No one in the Obama administration is appeasing the Pakistanis. Where on earth do you get this nonsense from? Besides, whatever HRC says is the official position of the Obama administration. She's not a loose cannon who goes about saying whatever she wants to say. Any position she articulates is cleared by the White House. Thus, this "help us, or F--- You policy" she articulated is the official White House policy. This is the way foreign policy works. You appoint one individual who will play bad (i.e., tough) cop, while the rest of the machine stays out of the fray. HRC here is that individual. Its a remarkable departure from the prior administration where Condi Rice was the good cop while other lesser known figures worked behind the scenes in getting tough. By openly articulating a get tough approach with Pakistan, this administration has clearly shown that its fed up with the Pakistanis and their doublespeak.
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