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JumboJet
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 Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: How are Mods Chosen? |
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Since there is a certain degree of resentment in our society and everywhere there is a furore over reservation, i wish to understand the following:
How are Mods chosen 
Is there a quota reserved for them 
Given to understand that the membership to the MOD club is full and closed. Wonder when it was open and advocated to the other members.
Is it their technical skills, or a passion for aviation that gives them the edge 
Is it important to have close proximity to Aseem to enjoy this priviledge 
As there have been talks about quality, and not quantity, can we not have mods who are related to the desired skills such as Mel for Technical as he knows the way MX operates and he can not only guide but also educate.
Basically, if we are to make Airliners-India popular, then i guess we should start inhouse. Here we notice that most people either do not post for reasons know best to them.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: |
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just a brief history as how the Mods evolved. For that we will have to begin with Yahoogroup started by Subin(MrNiji). He was the Administrator and kept Roy (Cougar) and Oliver (Olly) as the initial mods. For reason best known to them, they were not in a position to devote time so opened up to new Mods. By accident, myself, Nimish and Vabby happen to apply and were granted the status. Later on I took the initiative to improve the Yahoogroup, eg took the permisison from that LA guy to use the photo of VT-AIM etc. As time progressed, the fresh ones like myself, Nimish and Vabby took greater interest in getting new members like advertising on A.net etc.
Then by chance I happen to bang into a forum hosting provider, and hence launched "Beta" forum on Activeboard and requested members to try using it and if it suits well. And if it does, then will fully migrate to it. From the very begining I was clear that I don't want to be seen as playing politics or breaking away from Yahoogroup. So, the first thing I did was invited all the existing Mods to be the Mod there as well. So we had 5 Mods to beging with, that is myself, Nimish, Vabby, Subin and Olly. Roy (Couger) didn't join the forum, so couldn't be made the Mod.. Later, as Subin and Olly were not able to devote time, they were replaced by just one Mod (MEL) on my suggestion as he had long standing reputation of being non-controversial on A.net. Nobody opposed to his candidature.
The "beta" forum was liked by members and all of us migrated, but still kept that Yahoogroup active as it was something that was established. It is at this point that most of the current members joined us.
Now, coming to your individual points.
| Quote: | | How are Mods chosen |
Already answered!! Mods actually evolved. The current set of Mods were actually chosen my Subin. Besides a minor change of two mods being replaced by one.
| Quote: | Is there a quota reserved for them
Given to understand that the membership to the MOD club is full and closed. Wonder when it was open and advocated to the other members.
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Not trying to sound arrogant, but you have quota only if there is a vacancy.  Honestly, more than four would be a crowd and we are not starting any race here, with people falling over one other to be a mod. Frankly, not worth it
| Quote: | | Is it their technical skills, or a passion for aviation that gives them the edge |
Mods are just facilitators, and not technical experts. We bank on the expertise of the members to make the forum lively.
| Quote: | | Is it important to have close proximity to Aseem to enjoy this priviledge |
I didn't choose the current Mods. Subin would answer this question better. It's different though that four of us share the passion to make this forum successful.
| Quote: | | As there have been talks about quality, and not quantity, can we not have mods who are related to the desired skills such as Mel for Technical as he knows the way MX operates and he can not only guide but also educate. |
Moderation doesn't need any technical skills. For example, MEL can moderate any section of this fourm. If there is anybody who is lacking technical skills and experience, then it is me who has probably flown the least amongst most members.
| Quote: | | Basically, if we are to make Airliners-India popular, then i guess we should start inhouse. Here we notice that most people either do not post for reasons know best to them. |
Frankly, being a Mod does not bring any previlage. If you see, how much do I really post. If you really want to make a mark on this forum, then quality of your post should be such that members look forward to your post.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Aseem....your post really brought back memories of those starting days 
preserve it.
As on the Mod status.I don't know why there seems to be an issue with who te mod is.Its not that he is getting a free goddie for doing the same.
The mods are common members who are doing a monitoring job to see that rules are followed.
A mod can't read every post,hence a member noticing a post violating the rules can PM the mods to suggest delete it.this includes a violation by the mod too.
The idea is to get the site organised.If We all as members don't want to this site will never grow.Its our responsibility to concentrate more on the quality of posts & spreading the word so this group Increases in membership.
Personally unlike the rest I have not been able to devote as much input to this forum as I would have liked due to work,but I def look at improving on the same.
Thanks to all responsible in helping this site.
My advice would be Lets work as a team Folks.
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JumboJet
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for your detailed explanation.
| Quote: | | A mod can't read every post,hence a member noticing a post violating the rules can PM the mods to suggest delete it.this includes a violation by the mod too. |
Well this then gets on the member being abusive and mod being arrogant, have we not been there and done that recently.
| Quote: | | Not trying to sound arrogant, but you have quota only if there is a vacancy. Honestly, more than four would be a crowd and we are not starting any race here, with people falling over one other to be a mod. Frankly, not worth it |
Well reservation beats vacancy And let there be 3 or 4 mods, why are we not inviting young blood, let there be fair play.
Actions speak louder than words.
Let us all see how much of this level of transparency and equality is maintained.
| Quote: | | Frankly, being a Mod does not bring any previlage. If you see, how much do I really post. If you really want to make a mark on this forum, then quality of your post should be such that members look forward to your post. |
Since you so categorically specify that being a MOD does not bring any priviledges, their actions or being self decisive and locking threads speak otherwise. And about making a mark, i rather miss the point and be discreet.
Also, i notice that a lot of feedback is being given on that the job of a MOD is a voluntary one. Well, IMHO even if it a voluntary one and you are doing it apart from your full time jobs, sould that mean, you should not do justice to it, and if you cannot, well the labour of love is lost then, what say
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| JumboJet wrote: | Well this then gets on the member being abusive and mod being arrogant, have we not been there and done that recently.
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Since you've chosen to bring up a matter which I though was closed, I am forced to add a clarification here. I'm afraid I differ in your opinion that I was arrogant, though I acknowledge that you were offensive.
Please let's let the matter lie here. |
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JumboJet
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Nimish wrote: | | JumboJet wrote: | Well this then gets on the member being abusive and mod being arrogant, have we not been there and done that recently.
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Since you've chosen to bring up a matter which I though was closed, I am forced to add a clarification here. I'm afraid I differ in your opinion that I was arrogant, though I acknowledge that you were offensive.
Please let's let the matter lie here. |
Is there freedom of speech or you wish to entice RED TAPISM here. I did not close any matter but you locked the thread for reasons best known to you in a democratic setup [Well you have a point of view and so did I, anything wrong here ]
And since you suggest the matter lie here, aptly would i be correct to suggest that you are taking my statement personally where as this topic warrants thinking beyond being either decisive or high handed in its own spirit.
Let me know if you need any further clarification.
Reverting back to the topic 
Are we having any new ideas to implement
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Lets hear your suggestions. JJ.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| HAWK21M wrote: | Lets hear your suggestions. JJ.
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To begin with, I support the admin 99% and thank them for the time they put into this site...
Well for starters lets have people who have a passion and flair to make and take AirlinersIndia to great heights and not just hide behind the garb of a full time job and display lack of both enthusiasm and focus.
MalQ suggested that AINET should have a more participatory role in the aviation fraternity. A forum discussion is on but it needs more wind beneath its wings.
Can we have specific people to do specific roles, so that not only content but also quality is taken care of. Like if we have to be popular we must not only just post but also aim to educate the people.
Though i also do agree that we must set certain limits. If there won't be any limits, which is simply unthinkable, the forum would just look like a battle field after several months. More importantly, People should behave on the forum as you would do in their jobs.
I do hope sincerely that the atmosphere can be restored in it's original state as IMHO AINET is a treasure for any aviation enthusiast and it shouldn't be spammed by people just aiming at 'collecting as many posts as possible'...
Let us also have a button/icon which says REPORT THIS POST, so that the MODS have an easier time to navigate and do their jobs. More simply suggesting If you are convinced that a posting should be deleted, just use the 'report this post' - button and the forum admin will have a look at that particular post. Few reasons why you should report a message:
- message not according to the general forum-rules,
- copyright violation.
- off-topic discussions.
If rules are rules, Ok! But even the crew! How can they let people respect the rules if even they don't follow them?
What I do know, is that there are some members that are always supporting some, just to give a negative impression of some members, but when there's someting positive said, you don't hear them Why
Also LETS UNIFY In the past there were between 2-3 topics of one day at one airport because everybody started his/her own topic. By unifying all this we get a better overview of the forums and you need less time to read everything. QUALITY
On photos section can we or would it be possible to be able to click and enlarge the thumbnail photo that appears on the the "Photos section" on the home page.? I often see a random photo that interests but then I can't find it when I go to the photo section. This would come down to having a random photo section a bit like Airliners.net have. IMHO It wouldn't take any more space on the site.
Would it help in our marketing if people knew about us as a FOCUSSED site in AVIATION.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Please also let me know which rule/s you think this thread violates. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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if the mods dont have a problem i dont really know whats your problem....!
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:04 am Post subject: |
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| Nimish wrote: |
Please also let me know which rule/s you think this thread violates. |
Who's the mod, you or me  U figure it out, since your the one who takes offense to tangible words, am sure you'd do to intangible ones too, or would that be some other standards
And Saurabh, Duh
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Two words if i may... "GROW UP".
We are not here to fight for power or position.. come on.. we criticise AI for being riddled with Babudom why are we bringing it in here?!? I think the Mods are doing a great job...
and just for everyones information, i have also asked aseem and nimish many times on how mods are chosen and expressed my feelings for taking such a post myself.. but then think about it... we have 82 members and 4-5 mods.... which is anyways more than what is reuired... at any given time we dont have more than 3-4 members on at one time... think of a.net.. where there are hundreds if not thousands on at the same time.. thats when you need lots of mods...
until we expand.. we are just fine.. i feel mods are doing a great job and do not interfere at all.
You have to start off liberal otherwise you aint gonna get anythere..
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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Those words "Grow up" spell it out very clearly.
Its not as if the mod is offered some extra goodies,wheres the Big deal.
Guess Members have to realise We are hear to Discuss Aviation Lets do that.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Jumbo,
I think you should not complain. This is India. You seem to be a profilic thinker and an ardent follower of equality.
I think India has Unity in diversity, which means if you are diverse then we beg to differ from you and exhibit our Unity.
In India when people start a park they get it named after thewait tttn, so this is a website, nothing much can change.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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and i think this topic is long done with and over to warrant any fresh post?
isnt there a rule on reviving old topics?
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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i can remember such threads being locked in the older board after the discussion came to an end
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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1. I don't think we should lock all old topics as it will lead to manual work/overhead
2. The only topics we lock are those that are going way off topic
3. I don't think this can be classified as "bumping up an old thread", since this member is actually new to the board
4. I think the topic itself is still relevant, after all most members will have questions on the role of mods. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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is exactly what i wish is implemented here...
the last reply when this topic was valid was by Mel in Jan!! [Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:22 pm]
theres no need to bring this up now...
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Nimish wrote: | 1. I don't think we should lock all old topics as it will lead to manual work/overhead
2. The only topics we lock are those that are going way off topic
3. I don't think this can be classified as "bumping up an old thread", since this member is actually new to the board
4. I think the topic itself is still relevant, after all most members will have questions on the role of mods. |
But Nimish, like the reply posted here is by a newly joined member... it might take them time to understand these points better. I said so cos i can remember most threads in SR being locked after a conclusion was reached.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for helping out new comers Nimish.
And to the other Pre conceived Idealogists,
I joined this forum and started reading what interests me.
I did not know that this forum has a fine print that you can not read older discussions and post therein.
I regret if my contribution stirred up the hornet's nest. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Birendra wrote: | | I did not know that this forum has a fine print that you can not read older discussions and post therein. |
Nimish has summed up rather well and there is no such thing that you cannot read older discussion. In fact we have link to the older verision (Archives) provided at the top.
Birendra, I would suggest you take your time to have feel of the forum. This forum is as open as it can be.
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| Thank you for the warm reciprocity to you both Aseem and Nimish. |
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