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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:27 am    Post subject: Role of Mods Reply with quote

I was surfing and noticed that some mod has deleted my post from the forum Crying or Very sad

I want to know the following:

Arrow Why did the mod do it Question

Arrow why was i not informed Question

Arrow Are we trying to curtail freedom of speech Question

Arrow Does the mod have an arrangement with that carrier, hence makes sure that remarks against that particular carrier are screened Exclamation

Arrow Neither was my post obscene, or indecent and more it exhibited the sheer agony and realism.

WHY Question

Also,

How are mods selected Exclamation

Are they selected just because they have been members of Airliners.Net

Is this some form of cult or are we spearheading groupism or do others get a chance

I see no other member as a mod other than a few repetetive names, why Question

Any answers Rolling Eyes Aseem Bhai Idea
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any details on what post you are reffering to.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://airlinersindia.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=172

I cannot see my post
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do tend to agree with JJ on this. I do not know what post he is referring to but i do feel that the role of the mods is overemphasised in this forum. Much more so than airliners.net.

A forum, IMO is a place to express yourself and everyone may have an opinion or a question that may sound silly to someone else, and that is something to be tolerated and respected.

Deleting a post in a forum that is public domain is just wrong and goes against the fundamentals of freedom of speech. Yes, minimal regulation and oversight is healthy, but posts must only be deleted if they are obscene or derogatory to a fellow member or country, religion etc.

Aseem, you have certainly done brilliant work by bringing this forum to us and we are all grateful to you for the same, but please do not allow your good work to be un done in this manner.

While the contribution of the owner and help of the moderaters is recognised we must also realise that equally important is the contribution of the posters across the world who have contributed with their opinions and helped to make this forum a success.

I will once again reiterate that I am not in particular referring to JJs post, I do not even know which one he is referring to but I share the feeling that I have got since I have been a member here.

If I may make my point clearer with an example, we just need to look at the roles of the Govt of India in the Telecom sector(minimum but essential guidelines) and in the civil aviation sector(over regulation. We all know which one is healthier.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your Two posts are Visible.
What was stated on your Deleted post.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Air Dhakkan Hai Bakwaas, Mat Jao Uske Paas

This is what was stated.

Now i want to understand who is that learned smartie who deleted this and want an explanation Exclamation
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JumboJet wrote:
Air Dhakkan Hai Bakwaas, Mat Jao Uske Paas


IMO, looking at the rules on this forum, here's the rules this statement seem to have violated:

1.
1.1
1.2
2
6
9.1
23

However, the mod who deleted the post has himself probably violated Rule 14 (which says the mod should notify the OP when deleting a post/thread).

Please realize that we're all bound (including the mods) by the rules on this forum, this is a free society I know, but we have to abide by a set of rules that we've agreed to.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AKL - I've tried to put some comments/perspectives against the points you've raised:

AKLDELNonstop wrote:

I do tend to agree with JJ on this. I do not know what post he is referring to but i do feel that the role of the mods is overemphasised in this forum. Much more so than airliners.net.

This may be possible as we're just starting off the forum, we want to make sure we can "guide" the forum in the right direction.

AKLDELNonstop wrote:

A forum, IMO is a place to express yourself and everyone may have an opinion or a question that may sound silly to someone else, and that is something to be tolerated and respected.

Completely - so long as it follows the rules of the forum, and is stated as an "opinion". Anything not called out as an opinion (and posted in the civil AV forum) is treated as a fact.

AKLDELNonstop wrote:

Deleting a post in a forum that is public domain is just wrong and goes against the fundamentals of freedom of speech. Yes, minimal regulation and oversight is healthy, but posts must only be deleted if they are obscene or derogatory to a fellow member or country, religion etc.

Completely disagree - please refer to the rules - there are plenty of cases where posts can be deleted. We can debate the rules themselves, but that's another exercise.

AKLDELNonstop wrote:

Aseem, you have certainly done brilliant work by bringing this forum to us and we are all grateful to you for the same, but please do not allow your good work to be un done in this manner.
- there's certainly no such intention, if anything the goal is to ensure the quality on the forum, and lead to even more activity/posts.

AKLDELNonstop wrote:

While the contribution of the owner and help of the moderaters is recognised we must also realise that equally important is the contribution of the posters across the world who have contributed with their opinions and helped to make this forum a success.

I think I could not agree more - the main factor for the success of this forum is only the posts from all participants. In fact I as a mod have hardly made any significant contribution, probably much less than some of the other members here.

AKLDELNonstop wrote:

I will once again reiterate that I am not in particular referring to JJs post, I do not even know which one he is referring to but I share the feeling that I have got since I have been a member here.

I think once we get a grip around the fact that even this forum has rules that need to be followed, hopefully we'll find things becoming less obtrusive.

Thanks for your effort AKL in putting your thoughts down, unless we communicate, we'll never get to understand the issues/frustrations.

Lastly - let me encourage everyone to read the rules of the forum at this page: http://airlinersindia.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=20

If there's a particular rule that needs debate, I'm the happiest to get into that debate and if we find the rule is not relevant, we'll delete the rule pronto.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Role of Mods Reply with quote

JumboJet wrote:
Are we trying to curtail freedom of speech

No, clearly not. But we are trying to make sure the rules are complied with.

JumboJet wrote:
Does the mod have an arrangement with that carrier, hence makes sure that remarks against that particular carrier are screened
- This statement itself violates a few rules of the forum!

JumboJet wrote:
How are mods selected. Are they selected just because they have been members of Airliners.Net
Right now it's a closed group selected chosen by Aseem (probably based on being the initial set to take up the initiative of a separate Indian av forum)

JumboJet wrote:
Is this some form of cult or are we spearheading groupism or do others get a chance
Do you really feel it's a cult?? Or that we're encouraging groupism??? What chance are you referring to - to be a mod? I don't know the procedure to be a mod, but encourage you to send a PM to any of the mods if you'd like to be considered when we're next looking for mods.

JumboJet wrote:
I see no other member as a mod other than a few repetetive names, why
- clearly every member cannot be a mod, and mods can't change everyday. That's why.

JumboJet wrote:
Any answers Rolling Eyes Aseem Bhai
Hope I've managed to answer some of the points, but I hope that does not discourage Aseem to add his feedback as well Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

although Nimish has pretty much replied to all the question, but I need to chipin as I was the one who deleted the posts. If you give a fresh look at the whole issue, you'd realize what I deleted was a one liner. Not dead against one liners, just I found that one very immature. Its just that I forgot to send PM to JJ about it. My apologies for that.

One can apply the principle of freedom of speech to anything that is written down, but we are certainly not trying to curtail freedom. As Nimish clarified, we want to promote healty discussion by discouraging any post that may deter people from our site. Moreover, I've had my post deleted/unaccepted at other forums like A.net et al. So, nothing new over here.

Regarding, arrangement with any carriers. We certainly don't, you can say the same thing about AD in a more civilized manner and it will be accepted, and write same slogan for another airlines and it might be deleted.

Regarding the Mods, the names appear the same as they are being carried forward from the Yahoogroup for the sake of continuity. Moreover, by changing mods we don't want to be seen as playing politics or creating an impression that becoming a Mod elevates your status in the fourm. In fact, after the switch over of the service provider it was decided that we will play down our roles as Mods.

feel free to ask if you have any further question.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aseem wrote:
feel free to ask if you have any further question.

Alright Aseem has permitted.
I have read all the rules and reulations and one thing i feel is that the rules have simply been copied and pasted.
Example rule no: 24
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27. The forum moderators reserve the right to delete any post containing bad grammar, spelling errors or any post that we find difficult to understand. Please use the spell checker which has been provided for your convenience.


States about Spell checker blah blah...where is the spell checker feature on anet-india?
Also another one about media files being played.
Rule:29 (numbering error)
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28. Media files may be embedded in posts as long as their "autoplay" parameter has been set to "false". Media files which automatically play upon loading have been found to be disruptive.


Considering this i would like to point out the fact that abnet and anet-india are totally two different forums. We don't need to follow their rules. We have enough potential to make our own rules. Moderation also needs some transformation. Mods seem to have stated something at the starting of the rules:
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Below are the rules and guidelines regarding the discussion forums. These rules might seem strict, they are nevertheless necessary in order to make your visit to Airliners-India.net as enjoyable and stress-free as possible.

Hence i would like to state my point here, please don't copy anet blindly lets make something called as anet-india...totally independent of anet.
Ok everbody peace and calm.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_380 wrote:

Alright Aseem has permitted.
Please leave "attitude" out of your posts, or add a smiley at the end to indicate you meant it in jest.

the_380 wrote:
I have read all the rules and reulations and one thing i feel is that the rules have simply been copied and pasted
Considering this i would like to point out the fact that abnet and anet-india are totally two different forums. We don't need to follow their rules. We have enough potential to make our own rules. Moderation also needs some transformation.
...
Hence i would like to state my point here, please don't copy anet blindly lets make something called as anet-india...totally independent of anet.


1. We have certainly copied the rules over from A.net - no doubts on that. The reason being that we like A.net for it's strengths and want to ensure that AI.net also grows as strong if not stronger.

2. Please feel free to suggest specific modifications/additions/deletions to the existing set of rules. It's not sufficient to just say "We have enough potential to make our own rules" - please also help in that task. Rest assured, any inputs will be treated seriously.

3. Regarding "moderation also needs transformation" - once again - if your feedback is with regards to the rules themselves, please suggest alterations. If your comment is regarding the moderators following/not following the rules properly - then we are more than happy to discuss feedback and improve. However, we do need specific feedback, not general statements.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_380 wrote:
please don't copy anet blindly lets make something called as anet-india...totally independent of anet.


Please refer this thread on the old forum: http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=83591&p=3&topicID=8323130

Post #4 there (from Nitin) was the original suggestion of the rules - and that those be derived from the rules at A.net. We had those rules open for inputs/opinions for 2 full months (Oct 8th to Dec 8th) before we finalized on them.

That should give you the history and reasons whey we have the rules as we do.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand what all has been written and also that there are fools in this world to set their house on fire just to get rid of a rat Laughing

Lets bet back to business
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JumboJet wrote:
there are fools in this world to set their house on fire just to get rid of a rat


And there are other fools that like to hang out with these "house-burning" fools Very Happy We do live in a foolish world, and we're all fools in it (me included, but you included as well) Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nimish wrote:
JumboJet wrote:
there are fools in this world to set their house on fire just to get rid of a rat


And there are other fools that like to hang out with these "house-burning" fools Very Happy We do live in a foolish world, and we're all fools in it (me included, but you included as well) Wink


WELL SAID Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nimish wrote:
Please leave "attitude" out of your posts, or add a smiley at the end to indicate you meant it in jest.

Hmmm....mayb it makes a difference Laughing Cool realised it quite late Rolling Eyes

nimish wrote:
Please feel free to suggest specific modifications/additions/deletions to the existing set of rules. It's not sufficient to just say "We have enough potential to make our own rules" - please also help in that task. Rest assured, any inputs will be treated seriously.

As said some rules which i pointed out might give a wrong impression to new users. Features that are missing here shouldn't be written in the rules.

Nimish wrote:
3. Regarding "moderation also needs transformation" - once again - if your feedback is with regards to the rules themselves, please suggest alterations. If your comment is regarding the moderators following/not following the rules properly - then we are more than happy to discuss feedback and improve. However, we do need specific feedback, not general statements.

Rules only rules...even mods have a right to make a mistake because they're humans too...no autopilots here Razz

jumboJet wrote:
I understand what all has been written and also that there are fools in this world to set their house on fire just to get rid of a rat

Nimish wrote:
And there are other fools that like to hang out with these "house-burning" fools We do live in a foolish world, and we're all fools in it (me included, but you included as well)

Aha! thats the right way to describe this thread Wink

Btw the older forum board had an equally heated up topic...this forum lacked one...we got it here too Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if people in India thought with a growth perspective in mind, would we not grow Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sorry to say, but the discussion here does not seem to be heading anywhere.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aseem wrote:
I am sorry to say, but the discussion here does not seem to be heading anywhere.
VT-ASJ


Well Close the thread then. No one ever said, criticism would be easy. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JumboJet wrote:
Aseem wrote:
I am sorry to say, but the discussion here does not seem to be heading anywhere.
VT-ASJ


Well Close the thread then. No one ever said, criticism would be easy. Wink

What I am trying to convey is that even though we have sorted out the issue, we are still discussing it aimlessly.
And my friend, how would you have reacted had I closed the thread Exclamation Laughing
Anyways, feel free to post if you have any further issues.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aseem wrote:
JumboJet wrote:
Aseem wrote:
I am sorry to say, but the discussion here does not seem to be heading anywhere.
VT-ASJ


Well Close the thread then. No one ever said, criticism would be easy. Wink

What I am trying to convey is that even though we have sorted out the issue, we are still discussing it aimlessly.
And my friend, how would you have reacted had I closed the thread Exclamation Laughing
Anyways, feel free to post if you have any further issues.
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Perspectives my friend. Anyways, i'd agree that aimlessness would create more confusion. Pl close the thread. Lets get constructive.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About the Rules part.There could be errors which Im sure will get streamlined in due course.
Apart from Critisism,pls help contribute to the Site too,not only in posts but also to Make the rules more Anet -India compatiable.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_380 wrote:
As said some rules which i pointed out might give a wrong impression to new users. Features that are missing here shouldn't be written in the rules.


As soon as I saw your feedback, the rules were updated right then. We no longer have rules that reference spell checker on the site etc.

Feel free to post any further specific feedback on the rules.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am now closing this topic and opening another topic just to solicit specific feedback on the rules. I'll keep that open for 10 days and then collate the inputs and discuss amongst the mods on the changes needed to the rules.
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