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shekar · Last edited by shekar on Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:12 pm; edited 1 time in total

The concept of having an airport watch group with jackets/id-cards n with a proper permission from the airport authority as mentioned by Aseem in another thread is really exciting.But as stated by Mel,we cant have high hopes...But i say its really worth a try

Maybe we could invest in a P/O box /website and use the photos of experienced members on anet/jet-photos/myaviation etc...

I am listing down the members from Mumbai who are regular/not so regular at spotting...

(1)Vivek Manvi
(2)Vishal jolapara
(3)iflytb20
(4)Yash777
(5)Gauravprakash007
(8)Birendra
(7)Shekar
(8)Avijeet (the_380)
(9)Prajay
(10)Rutvij
(11)saurabhm_101
(12)Jesal

adding two more members.....

(13)Karan
(14)Anuj

looking fwd to a lot of support and encouragement from senior members...and very vigorous action on this front asap Smile

rgds
Shekar

PS:if i have missed out any other members name .....please met me know and ill add it to the list
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gauravprakash007 · Member Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 37 Location: VABB

Roger!
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Birendra · Member Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 1411

Sir aap to mere spotting guru ho.....so mine 100% too Wink

yash777 · Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject:

A good idea......and i'll give it my 100%
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deaphen · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 933 Location: India

Sounds like an excellent idea, even though im not a mumbaite... i hope the membership extends to me too Smile

with ya all th way....

nitin

Birendra · Member Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 1411

vivekman · Member Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 1897 Location: BOM

Sounds like a good idea! I am in for it too.

JumboJet · Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:57 pm Post subject:

I suggest that the people who want to create a AWG should contact MIAL office first, and then ask them if something like this can be mooted.

Also, i would suggest you guys to take advice from Karan, Deaphen, Mr.Niji, Mel and Aseem as these guys have considerable experience in such matters.

Good to see that you ppl want to place INDIA in the SPOTTERS LAND too.

Let me know if i can be of any help.
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Aiel · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 927 Location: Bangalore

Count me in too.
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Birendra · Member Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 1411

Seems everyone wants to be counted......but WHO IS COUNTING Rolling Eyes

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rutvij · Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: Don't forget me !

I am all for it as well ! Would like AWG asap as my Exams hv just finished ! Wink

I still remember my first illegal Spotting session (without my Parent's permission) when in 8th Standard. I used to cycle all the Way from KURLA (East) upto the Airport Boundary Wall of Rwy 27. It had a small Orange Door. I used to Spot those beasts from a small gap comfortably seating on my Cycle which used to rest on the Wall ! Very Happy

Prajay · Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject:

Im in 100%

Any help im there to.

Very Happy

Prajay
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deaphen · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 933 Location: India

Ok guys so we need to brainstorm a little about this, now that we have most peoples support.

First of all we need to get as much information from you Aseem about the Watch group on YYZ and i guess we can safely say it willb e more ont he lines of the YYZ watch group.

Secondly, we have to decide the extent and power of becoming a member of such a watch group.

Thirdly, Its important to know if membership will entail a person to be free from harassment from the police at all airports around india (except defence ones ofcourse, its no point even trying to ask for that).

Fourthly, we have to identify which part of the govt we have to talk to, whether to the Civil Aviation Minister, or the DGCA.

Fifthly, I am willing to spearhead this initiative, but what we need is for everyone to post their suggestions and what they feel should be the guidelines and advantages of being a member of such a watchgroup, as well as any other suggestions you may think relevant.

Lets hear you guys.

regards
nitin

shekar · Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:15 am Post subject:

lets hear the privileges of the AWG in yyz...
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JumboJet · Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject:

After the post of Jun 18th today Jun 22nd there is no support from AWG group at YYZ Crying or Very sad

I have done a bit of study and shall be posting the findings soon about the permissions and procedures to be followed for spotting permissions et all.

I have studied French spotters and Belgian spotters and some of them have become my friends from the fraternity.
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Birendra · Member Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 1411

Anything hapening on this front guys.....
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jayson · Member Joined: 23 Jun 2007 Posts: 8 Location: Mumbai

i think we must contact the atc guild (www.atcguild.com) for they are more organised and yes, atcs work inside the airport (dumb point;). they could help us into the right procedure to build the AWG.

and i feel that the AWG would be a quite messy thing to formulate coz u know the bureucracy (ah that spelling!) in india especially at the airports.
but lets try.......

HAWK21M · Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject:

Why don't you folks contact Aseem for tips.
regds
MEL
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JumboJet · Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject:

HAWK21M · Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject:

Sure.I can get the MIAL contact details & provide them.Can't say how cooperative the Authorities would be though.

But Firstly I think These excellent photographers should get together,form their group with tips from other spotter groups abroad & then only approachj the Authorities assurng them that they will be doing a job that will beneft Indian Aviation.

Rope in the media too.That will help.

Aseem.....Pls guide this entusiastic bunch.

regds
MEL
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AirIndiaOne · Member Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 28 Location: Mumbai, IN

Hey im not on the list !!!! count Karan and Anuj in !
so we have a huge bunch of spotters - that makes the AWG project even more ambitious Very Happy

im not sure how atcguild can help us with this. But contacting MIAL / BCAS should help.
I will speak to a few guys from the guild to get more inputs on this issue.

Birendra · Member Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 1411

Thanks for ur guidance and help.

Should we write a letter or approach in person to MIAL & BCAS!

I visited http://civilaviation.nic.in/ and thought it is better to visit http://bcasindia.gov.in/ and found that we can start filling this http://bcasindia.gov.in/forms/charecterverfrm805.pdf and keep ready, right.

If we are to spot from within the airport premises then would a form like this could be expected out of us to be filled http://bcasindia.gov.in/forms/pic.pdf

Should we email the Big Boss or COSCA as they call it of BUREAU OF CIVIL AIVATION SECURITY on coscaps.bcas@nic.in

OR

Should we write to AIRPORTS AUTHORITY OF INDIA marking kind attention to Chairman, AAI at chairman@aai.aero & chairman@airportsindia.org.in

OR

Should we write to DIRECTORATE GENERAL OF CIVIL AVIATION at dgoffice@dgca.nic.in

OR write to The Hon'ble Minister for Civil Aviation, Shri Praful Patel on
praful@sansad.nic.in or call him on 24610350 with marking a cc to the aviation secretary, Shri Ashok Chawla on secy.moca@nic.in with phone number 24610358

OR

Write to all of the above Confused

Pl guide.
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JumboJet · Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:57 am Post subject:

@Aseem, Mel, Nimish
I think if we claim or make an attempt to suggest that WE LOVE AVIATION, we must in all respects support the endeavours of these young boys.

@Birendra
You have done a splendid job. However i would still suggest you to coordinate with Mel as he is a both a diligent advisor and an inside person (Ex East West now with BDA). He will help you and guide you properly. Also involve Malq......u'd be surprised the moment ur application has his name on it, it will move faster in government circles Twisted Evil

@Others, including me
Actions speak louder than words.
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Nimish · Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:05 pm Post subject:

HAWK21M · Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject:

Agreed.These folks have excellent photography skill & have contributed a lot to making Aircraft at Indian Airports more visible to the world.

I feel since Aseem has been a part of this group.He could pass info on how they can get organised.Its only after they get organised as a group can they go to step 2 which is interacting with the Authorities.

I'm sure prajay can add to this immensly.
regds
MEL
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Birendra · Member Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 1411

Prajay.....

The ball is now in your court.

Aseem.....

Inputs and guidance on how to approach.
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JumboJet · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject:

Conceptual integrity is much more important than mathematical accuracy.

@shekar, birendra, yash
I think you must write to these people at the earliest because for responding they may take some time as this is a new idea.

Also study the airport sites of Amsterdam, Brussels and look for special privileges and email them asking for spotter benefits and explain them your need. They will help.

http://www.schiphol.nl/_entertainment/vliegtuigen.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302574799&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=1408474395729234&VIRTUAL_TEMPLATE%3C%3Evt_id=10134198673766989&bmUID=1183020258524

http://www.brusselsairport.be/en/spottersvisitors/

Since help from our own members is taking a backseat Rolling Eyes

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HAWK21M · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject:

JJ.Edited your post to make the link clickable.
regds
MEL
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JumboJet · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject:

Kudos for the clickable work, Mel.

And back to the topic.

SYDNEY KINGSFORD SMITH AIRPORT is also a spotters paradise.

Please also visit http://www.planespotting.com/ and read articles by
What Is Spotting? by Sid Porter Webmaster.
What Is Spotting? by Marco Dirkx Creator Original Spotters Homepage.
What Is Spotting? by Arnold Ten Pas.

Another interesting site is http://www.aircraftspotting.net/

Spotting in Africa http://freenet-homepage.de/copilot/Startseite-eng.htm

A webring of spotters at http://m.webring.com/hub?ring=spotters

A webpage of a Brussels spotter http://www.freewebs.com/brusselsairportspotting/

Home page of the Dutch spotters group http://www.dutchspotters.com/

Eagle-Eyed Observers of YVR- Official homepage of an aviation spotting club in Vancouver, Canada.
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/4023/

Brisbane and Australia http://www.jetspotter.com/

Luton Spotters http://www.freewebs.com/lutonspotters/

Zürich International Airport (Switzerland) http://www.perkins-aviation.ch/ZRH/

Dedicated to planespotting and civil aviation: photo gallery, IATA and ICAO codes, planespotting links. http://www.planespotting.nl/

FAI is the world air sports federation, founded in 1905. It is a non-governmental and non-profit making international organisation with the basic aim of furthering aeronautical and astronautical activities worldwide.
http://spotters.fai.org/

Let me know if u ppl need any more information Wink

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shekar · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:08 pm Post subject:

hey jj......thanks for all the help buddy....but i personally think we should organize ourselves into a proper group before approaching the authorities.
Else we would come across as being very disorganized.

Another thing thats bugging me is that ,at the spot tht we click from,theres NOT MUCH of an interference/harassment by the airport security apart frm the occasional "shuuingg" . Will this initiative end up causing more harm then good ?....
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JumboJet · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject:

No pain no gain.

If u want ur name to be publicised like most indians want to, then i guess u keep mum about ur location and click pictures and continue to grab all the attention the world showers on you.

OR

If you want to advise and encourage SPOTTING (which is a religion in most parts of the world) then i guess u should forget about the bouquets and be ready to face the brickbats.

U want to be a Mahatama of AWG and not want to wear lion cloth seems a bit dizzy to me Wink

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shekar · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject:

The hillock that we spot from, is the land owned by the airport authority?....cus if it is .....we might en up in some trouble and lose this beautiful spot

Karan69 · Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 1334

I got a few requests to take a look at this topic, i havent gone entirely through it but from whatever little i read.

Birendra · Member Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 1411

I think Karan does make sense here, and so does Shekar.

So we EJECT the idea or someone want me to still be strapped on the seat!
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HAWK21M · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:21 pm Post subject:

My opinion is You folks are doing a great job.Just continue spotting & get organised into a disiplined group.Thereafter maybe step two can be considered ie approaching the Authorities.

regds
MEL
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JumboJet · Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:15 pm Post subject:

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/18/nplane118.xml

Seems like a good idea and a good solution for the spotters wanting an AWG at BOM Wink

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