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HAL plans to sell Dornier 228s to commercial airlines

 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:41 am    Post subject: HAL plans to sell Dornier 228s to commercial airlines Reply with quote

http://www.livemint.com/Companies/xzRpfXCFGJRsZEUFTD3gqN/HAL-hawks-Dornier-228s-for-connecting-nonmetro-routes.html

HAL hawks Dornier 228s for connecting non-metro routes

Aug 30 2016

State-run defence aircraft maker Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) may start selling planes for civilian use in India.

HAL has so far been producing 19-seater Dornier 228 planes for the Indian Air Force and the Coast Guard and exporting it to other countries.

It has sought the permission of the civil aviation regulator Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) to sell these planes to domestic airlines.

“The application was submitted (a) few months back and the certification process is on,” said a government official who declined to be named.

HAL manufactures the Dornier 228 planes in Kanpur.

“They have expressed interest if they can get some sort of a firm commitment (aircraft orders) for these planes. We are looking into it,” said a second government official, who also declined to be named.

Dornier planes were being used widely by Vayudoot airline in the 1980s and ’90s to connect smaller cities such as Raebareli and Lucknow. Vayudoot was grounded in 1997.

HAL has since made modifications to the plane and its equipment and it needs to go through a fresh certification process overseen by the DGCA.

The history of the Dornier aircraft goes back to 1983, when India signed a licence-production and phased technology-transfer agreement with Germany’s Dornier GmbH.

The agreement allowed HAL to set up a separate production line in India.

The first aircraft was manufactured in 1985.

By 2014, a total of 125 Dornier 228s had been produced in India. While the original production line in Germany was shut down in 1998, HAL continued to manufacture the planes in Kanpur and defence became the focus for the company.

With the civil aviation ministry unveiling a new regional aviation policy, HAL sees huge potential for its planes.

The new policy envisages giving subsidy on new routes started by airlines that are either not served or underserved.

Under the new policy, airlines will be given a subsidy on some of the seats on such flights from a annual corpus of Rs.500 crore.

“HAL is getting two Dornier 228s, which the company will make available to interested carriers to run regional flights,” a HAL spokesman said.

HAL also said that it is keen to manufacture aircraft for regional operations with a larger seating capacity.

A request for information was floated in April and six responses from global aircraft manufacturers have been received for partnerships.

However, no time-frame has been set for the next step.

In stakeholder consultations last month, the civil aviation ministry debated as to what kind of planes are likely to make commercial sense for regional flights.

An expert said airlines need to do a cost-benefit analysis of the routes that Dornier planes can run profitably.

“When Vayudoot operated the Dornier, they were losing money even if they had full occupancy on the Madras-Pondichery leg,” said Mohan Ranganathan, a Chennai-based analyst.

“So, they have to figure out the ideal load factor and ideal trip length before venturing into this. The best way would be to get operating cost figures from airlines in Nepal, who have been using them widely.”

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Soon, a Made-in-India aircraft will be ferrying passengers

October 11

A Made-in-India civilian aircraft could take to the skies as early as June 2017. The Dornier 228, a 19-seater, short take-off and landing aircraft, is undergoing modifications at the Kanpur unit of State-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

The development comes as a boost for the Centre’s Make in India programme and its Regional Connectivity Scheme.

HAL already supplies Dornier 228 aircraft to the armed forces. The civilian version, which will have the same body structure as the military aircraft, will entail some modifications.

“The civil Dornier 228 produced by HAL will have an increase in maximum take-off weight due to an increase in fuel to be carried, a more powerful engine, propeller blades made with composite material that will make them quieter, and a glass cockpit,” a senior government official told BusinessLine.

These modifications will have to be certified by the Directorate-General of Civil Aviation (DGCA), whose officials are monitoring the progress.

The Dornier 228 was also used by Vayudoot, the now-defunct state-owned regional airline that connected more than 100 small airports in the country between 1980 and 1990.

Air India has indicated that it could initially acquire at least 10 such aircraft to operate regional routes. Pawan Hans, the state-owned helicopter company, which plans to diversify into fixed-wing aircraft operations, is also said to be keen on acquiring the Dornier aircraft.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.ptinews.com/news/8067793_HAL-to-lease-Dornier-aircraft-to-airlines.html

HAL to lease Dornier aircraft to airlines

Nov 11

State-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is exploring possibilities to foray into commercial leasing of its Dornier aircraft and Air India could be its first customer, Civil Aviation Secretary R N Choubey said.

The defence PSU is already making the 19-seater Dornier 228 planes under licence from Swiss technology company RUAG for the armed forces and the European market.

"HAL has agreed for supplying their Dornier aircraft for the civil aviation purposes. HAL is also exploring the possibility of leasing the aircraft to airline companies," he said on the sidelines of an aviation conference here.

"The HAL wants to lease Dornier aircraft because it recognises that if it gets into the leasing part, then the market will be much bigger. Their board has not yet decided but they are exploring this possibility," he said.

HAL's 19-seater Dornier 228 could be useful for civil operations with certain modifications.

Choubey said tha HAL will now not only manufacture these planes for "civilian operations" but also provide end-to-end services as well such as maintenance, repair and overhaul of the fleet, simulator training, among others.

"They (HAL) have also said they will set up a parallel assembly line for the civilian operations at their Kanpur facility," he said.

Choubey said that national carrier Air India has "tentatively agreed" to lease these planes for the regional operations, adding, "Their board will take the final call. But Air India proposes to take 10 Dornier aircraft from HAL."

Air India, which has turned operationally profitable last fiscal after nearly a decade, plans to play an aggressive role in the government's regional connectivity scheme UDAN through its subsidiary, Alliance Air.

Alliance Air, which mostly connects Tier II and III cities to metro hubs, currently flies to 34 destinations and has 39 daily departures.

Under UDAN (Ude Desh Ka Aam Naagrik) scheme launched last month, Civil Aviation Ministry has listed three categories of aircraft - those having less than 20 seats, 21-80 seaters, and 80 seats or more.

UDAN seeks to provide air connectivity to un-served and under-served airports, especially in small cities, as well as make flying more affordable for the masses.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel reasonably assured of the success of the plan. Innovative schemes tailored to local environment invariably succeed. PCO boom pre-cellphone era is case in example.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/commercial-flight-nod-for-made-in-india-plane/articleshow/62245953.cms

Commercial flight nod for made-in-India plane

Dec 26, 2017

You may soon be flying regional routes on board a made-in-India aircraft. The Directorate General of Civil Aviation + (DGCA) has allowed Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL)-manufactured Dornier 228 to be used for civilian flights.

The 19-seater aircraft has, till now, been used by defence forces and is the first plane to be made in the country for commercial flights.

The DGCA has given type certification to this aircraft and also given certificate of airworthiness to HAL's Dornier 228. Now, HAL can sell this plane to airlines in India and it can be used by them for regional flights under the Modi's government's ambitious UDAN scheme+ , a senior aviation official said. "Some special incentives may be given to operators using this plane. Apart from airlines in India," the official added.

HAL may also look at selling this plane for civil use in neighbouring countries such as Nepal and Sri Lanka," the official said.

The HAL describes its 19-seater Dornier 228 as "highly versatile multi-purpose light transport aircraft. It has been developed specifically to meet the manifold requirements of utility and commuter transport, third level services and air-taxi operations, coast guard duties and maritime surveillance."

The non-pressurised plane has maximum cruise speed of 428 kmph and a range of 700 km. It is capable of night flying. HAL successfully carried out test flights of this plane at Kanpur airport this month after which DGCA gave the required nod+ for it to be used in civil side. HAL has a "transport aircraft division" in Kanpur since 1960. "(It) has core competence in manufacture, maintenance, modification and upgrade of light transport aircraft and trainer aircraft for both domestic and international markets.

The division also carries out maintenance, repair and overhaul of aircraft.... The division has also commenced manufacture of the civil variant of Dornier 228 aircraft," the HAL website says. While the DGCA has now allowed Dornier 228 to be used for commercial flights, HAL says it can also be used for "pollution prevention" and "executive transport".

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnny come lately, still never mind. I think its also time for its upgrade to Next Gen with 5-blade engine and other necessary upgrade.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aseem wrote:
johnny come lately, still never mind. I think its also time for its upgrade to Next Gen with 5-blade engine and other necessary upgrade.

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The RUAG upgrade of the D0228 is very much next-gen, with advanced avionics, 5-blade props and other features.

And the Do228 has been and still is one of the best in its category. Not exactly a johnny come lately by any measure.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Dornier used by IC on the COK-AGX route earlier - werent they made in India?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

justbala wrote:
The Dornier used by IC on the COK-AGX route earlier - werent they made in India?

Some of those Do228s were CKD kits assembled by HAL. Others were flown in from Germany.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Goat wrote:
And the Do228 has been and still is one of the best in its category. Not exactly a johnny come lately by any measure.


johnny come lately in Indian civil aviation particularly when could have been used much earlier (Vayudoot not withstanding) Smile

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