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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:55 pm    Post subject: Cabin baggage tags will soon become a thing of the past Reply with quote

http://www.businessinsider.in/Cabin-baggage-tags-will-soon-become-a-thing-of-the-past/articleshow/52987031.cms

Cabin baggage tags will soon become a thing of the past

Jun 30, 2016

You may no longer have to put tags on your cabin bags and get them stamped at the security check point as the government is planning to do away with the process, in-line with the international practice followed at airports abroad.

In this regard, the Civil Aviation Ministry has asked the Bureau of Civil Aviation Security (BCAS) to form a panel to review cabin baggage tags and submit a report in four weeks.

"The good thing about the aviation secretary is that he works with timelines. He has given BCAS four weeks to decide on the abolition of cabin baggage tags across India," a senior executive of an airline told ET, adding "This issue is being discussed for long and despite a consensus on its abolition, we have not been able to abolish it."

Presently, all passengers carrying cabin baggage have to tie a tag to it and get it stamped at security check before boarding a flight.

But, few experts suggest there is no way a bag can enter the secure zone without being checked.

"Aviation security is 99% preventive that happens on the ground and 1% intervention, which happens in the air. This rule was brought in to ensure that only secured cleared items enter the airside and this surely lets one feel secure. I would not be in favour of its abolition. But if it goes, it should be replaced with a system that looks at the principle of prevention on the ground," Shakti Lumba, former head of operations at IndiGo and Air India , told ET.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a firm believer that India should do what ever it thinks is needed to keep their airports safe. Many people, me included, have not liked that they only let pax into the airport. Well after IST who is laughing (granting India started the policy well before terrorism - was more driven to keep the masses out of the AC area!). That said, the baggage tag thing just came across as dumb and over bearing. Don't think it made people feel safe, rather it made india look like a huge clueless bureaucracy (rightly or wrongly). Maybe install electronic gates that only let cleared people through so security knows you went through screening and immigration (that's another area that India only checks right after you leave the immigration desk).
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're past security, it means that both you and your carry ons have been scanned.

I'm surprised they don't expect passengers to walk around with a tag around their necks. Silly babus.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am a firm believer that India should do what ever it thinks is needed to keep their airports safe. Many people, me included, have not liked that they only let pax into the airport. Well after IST who is laughing (granting India started the policy well before terrorism - was more driven to keep the masses out of the AC area!).


The decision not to allow non-passengers into the airport terminals had nothing to do with keeping the masses out of the AC area. It was necessary due to the large number of people who would come to see their friends and relatives off, particularly before international departures. In many cases, these people would come by the busloads and block the parking areas and the entrance to the airport, inconveniencing real passengers. Many cases of luggage theft and other nuisances were also reported.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fine, I meant it more broadly on trying to control the masses from entering (you could pay to enter a waiting area). In the end it really didn't discourage people from coming to the airport. It did keep them out of the arrivals hall (post customs area) and check in area. But net net, it was not for terrorism. Now its looking like a good idea
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But, few experts suggest there is no way a bag can enter the secure zone without being checked.

Trust me it can.......
That stamp on the bag tag is needed according to me.Will not be correct to post more details on a public forum though.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/no-more-security-stamps-on-hand-bag-tags-at-six-major-airports-cisf/

No more security stamps on hand bag tags at six major airports

December 8, 2016

Passengers flying from six major airports in the country will soon travel hassle-free as the mandatory practise of getting a security stamp on their hand baggage is being done away with by the CISF as part of a pilot project to smoothen air travel.

A decision in this regard was on Thursday firmed up during a high-level meeting between the airport security brass of the security force and top executives of over a dozen major airlines operating in the country.

The pilot project will be started at airports in Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata, Chennai, Hyderabad and Bengaluru.

The CISF DG added that the initiative will be extended to other airports too, based on the feedback received. As per rules now, a passenger flying to a destination, either within the country or abroad, has to get a security stamp on the tag put on his or her hand baggage, that they take with them in the aircraft.

The stamp ensures that the baggage has been thoroughly checked and is safe to be carried in the plane.

Central Industrial Security Force officials, however, said that with the increase of technology by way of scanning a bag through x-ray, CCTV and a trained CISF security personnel on the spot, such a tag is not anymore required and hence is being done away with by way of a pilot project.

Passengers had also made numerous complaints in the past not only with the CISF but also with airport authorities that in case a passenger forgets to get that stamp, he or she, irrespective of their age or medical condition, had to go back and get the authorisation embossed which was a time taking and nagging affair.

This issue, CISF officials said, had also led to altercations between security personnel and passengers and hence the force was wanting to do away with it.

“Keeping several issues in mind we proposed to start this project which we are sure will be successful,” Singh said.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has these rule been reversed? Last Friday the CISF staff was putting baggage tags on the cabin baggage and stamping them.

The week before there were no tags required
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was a 'Trial run'.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/no-stamps-for-hand-luggage-soon-to-get-permanent/articleshow/56149590.cms

No stamps for hand-luggage soon to get permanent

Dec 24, 2016

On Friday, Bureau of Civil Aviation Security chief Rajesh Kumar Chandra asked the Central Industrial Security Force (CISF) to make non-stamping at airports a permanent feature after a successful week-long pilot project in metro cities. CISF chief O P Singh has said that the agency will take a call on the issue of non-stamping at metros after January 26. The pilot project was undertaken at Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata, Chennai, Hyderabad and Bengaluru airports from December 15 to 22. From Monday, non-stamping will start at Guwahati, Patna, Lucknow, Jaipur, Nagpur, Trivandrum and Kochi airports.

"The pilot project (at metros) went smoothly and the result was very good. We are compiling the results and will analyse them. A decision will be taken after January 26. We will do away with stamping as soon as we are confident about the move. We want to adopt passenger-friendly initiatives," Singh told TOI.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So flew AF out of BOM - AF did not tag my hand luggage went through security and they added luggage tags (AI ones) and stamped it. No one checked stamps at boarding - so what's the rule. I guess I am more concerned that everyone thinks there is a different rule in place. The airline and security should be on the same page.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flew BOM-MAA on 27th Dec by 9W. Added the baggage tag before going through security check. The tag was stamped and was duly checked at the boarding gate. The 9W agent at the gate said that the no-tag pilot was well-received and we may soon see the end of baggage tags. He himself said that most of the airline and airport personnel wanted to get rid of the tags.
On the return flight, i did not tag my hand luggage but a tag was added and stamped at security (but was not checked at anytime).
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/no-stamping-of-hand-bags-at-seven-airports/articleshow/57314835.cms

No stamping of hand bags at seven airports

Feb 23, 2017

Air travellers will no longer need to get their hand bag stamped with "security checked" at seven major airports- Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Ahmedabad and Cochin.

In a major relief to flyers, the Bureau of Civil Aviation Security (BCAS) Thursday issued an order doing away with stamping hand bag tags with "immediate effect." Issued with approval of BCAS chief Rajesh Kumar Chandra, the aviation security circular (4/2017) says, "The present system of stamping hand baggage tags at pre-embarkation security check points for seven airports... shall be dispensed with immediate effect."

The BCAS and Central Industrial Security Force (CISF) had carried out non stamping at several airports+ for domestic flyers late last year. That trial was done successfully and a final decision was to be taken after Republic Day.

The aviation ministry is keen to extend no-stampimg to more airports. The aim then is to stop stamping boarding cards too and take the next step to introduce biometric boarding.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/security-agencies-spar-over-stamping-of-hand-baggage/articleshow/57321261.cms

Security agencies spar over stamping of hand baggage

Feb 24, 2017

Should you get your hand baggage stamped at airports? The Bureau of Civil Aviation Security (BCAS) feels there's no need but the Central Industrial Security Force (CISF), which is in charge of airport security, passenger frisking and hand bag screening, says it will continue stamping tags for the time being.

The BCAS issued an order on Thursday saying passengers flying out of India's seven biggest airports — Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata, Bengaluru, Hyderabad, Ahmedabad and Kochi — will no longer need to get their handbag tags stamped. The CISF said the move couldn't be implemented immediately.

Till late Thursday night, there was no clarity on whose writ would run as BCAS can prescribe measures but CISF has to implement them. Several advanced countries, including the US and EU nations, have done away with the requirement of stamping hand bag tags or boarding cards but India is among the few still following the practice. In December last year, the CISF and BCAS had carried out weeklong pilot projects at 12 airports where hand bag tags of domestic flyers were not stamped.

Explaining the move, BCAS chief Rajesh Kumar Chandra told TOI, "We took this decision after doing a trial run and implemented it only at places where the system had stabilised. Thursday's order covers big airports that handle almost 80% of all air traffic in India. The basic purpose is to save time and spare a person (who currently stamps bags) to devote more time towards profiling a person and if need be, to carry out physical security checks. Stamping does not add any value to security. If there is any lapse, that is due to problem with screening machine or lack of skill of screener or improper supervision. How does stamping handbag tags do away with these issues?"

Earlier in the day, CISF chief O P Singh told TOI that "no decision has been taken so far". While CISF is in favour of adopting this move, it feels there isn't enough infrastructure at terminals as yet to roll it out immediately. Sources in the central paramilitary force say it initiated the pilot project for non-stamping of handbag tags. A senior officer said, "We are not against the move. We are against its immediate execution."

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/no-stamping-of-flyers-handbags-at-7-airports-from-april-1/articleshow/57917561.cms

No stamping of flyers' handbags at 7 airports from April 1

Mar 30, 2017

Come April 1 and passengers flying out of seven biggest airports - Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata, Bengaluru, Hyderabad, Ahmedabad and Cochin - will no longer have to get their cabin bag tags stamped "security checked".

The Central Industrial Security Force (CISF) took this decision for both domestic and international flyers after carrying out some changes at these airports. The Bureau of Civil Aviation Security (BCAS) had on February 23 sought the ending of stamping at the seven big airports, which includes all metros except Chennai.

We have got high definition cameras installed at Terminal 1 and 3 of Delhi Airport. The pre-embarkation security check area (where flyers queue up to get frisked) has got 36 and the security hold areas (where flyers are sent after frisking) have got 44 HD cameras," CISF chief OP Singh told TOI. HD cameras now cover all the domestic and international passenger areas of Delhi Airport by getting the existing ones also "repositioned and refocussed". Similarly, Singh said the Mumbai Airport has got 85 HD cameras.

"We have asked for interrupted power back-up support at all these seven airports. At some airports we have got revolving cameras fixed in addition to fixed cameras to minimize grey areas. We will enhance passenger experience at airports by taking steps like ending stamping and continue to provide the best possible security," the DG said. These seven airports account for 80% of all air traffic in India.

Changes have been made on the rollers - belts with circular steel structures on which hand bags roll to first go into the X-ray machines (input roller) and then come out of them on output roller. They have been made longer at some of the airports where hand bag tag stamping will end on April 1. "Acrylic barriers have been installed (at the point where hand bags exit X-ray machines) to segregate doubtful bags considered as a threat," Singh said.

Once all these measures were taken at these seven airports, CISF gave the go-ahead to end stamping of hand bag tags from April 1. Now for the remaining 52 airports, CISF will examine how they too can get rid of stamping. "It may be possible we need to do trial runs at some of those airports," said Singh.

Hand bag stamped tags have a number in fine print which identifies the counter where the bag was screened. The idea is to fix responsibility in case something that could be a threat to flight safety is allowed to go in those bags beyond this point by finding out the screener whose lapse led to that. Full camera coverage allows the same to happen without stamping, something that happens in airports in developed countries.
No advanced country, including the US and EU nations, have this requirement of stamping hand bag tags or boarding cards and India is among the few still following this practice. The CISF and BCAS had carried out week-long pilot projects at 12 airports last December where hand bag tags of domestic flyers were not stamped.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flew DEL to HYD on the first day of No Stamping. Worked like a charm. No confusion at all. Just seemed like there were some extra people who can now be redeployed (e.g., 3 people standing at aircraft boarding but with nothing much to do)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too flew out of Mumbai on April 1, 2017. I don't really recall the last time I flew in India without this stamp.

The next logical thing to do is stop stamping the boarding cards.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I, of course, had to fly out of Bombay on the last day, March 31.




I had no idea it was the last day of hand luggage tag stamping until I read the newspaper on board. Perhaps the tag will make a good souvenir of the "end of another era" !



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