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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With that, once again Jet will (barely) be the sole operator of the A330 aircraft type in India. Like the A310, the A330, too looked amazing in the Flying Swan livery, as you've put it.

Interesting the A330 went all the way to Paris! Not undermining its technical capacities, but its the fact that there are no PTVs on such a long flight which is interesting!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jbalonso777 wrote:
Interesting the A330 went all the way to Paris!
Capt Nivedita Bhasin has an excellent picture of it from the front deck, on A.net. She also happens to be an excellent photographer!
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Not undermining its technical capacities, but its the fact that there are no PTVs on such a long flight which is interesting!
The IFE on these birds on log runs was the overhead monitors, though the audio channels had the same content as the Thales i3000 on the newer AI narrow-bodies, which I enjoyed. AI maintained these old birds quite well. On my last flight on IWB (a Business class upgrade, though I had wanted a B77W ride), I was pleasantly surprised to find the seat (02K) with its controls in perfect working condition AI 101, 12 Sep'14 BOM-DEL. I will write more on my only lounge experience, BOM T2 arrivals and departures at Sahar (I chose the AI 102-101 combo just for this experience, and I had wanted a B77W upgrade to J to experience AI's best IFE content and seat on their fleet, but I was unlucky, though the food was exceedingly wonderful: a TR is in the works). The lack of PTVs is not that much of a concern for me as the lack of power-ports is! The PTVs in J are not activated with content, and I did not check out the power-port. Y does not have any power-ports, and that can be a big hindrance on a long trip.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed one of the best suited aircraft for the livery of this elegant bird,

Sad I am gonna miss seeing it gliding down RW 14 with my morning cup of tea on one of its various missions,

feel glad that I flew in IWB atleast

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking forward to it all, Sumantra sir! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/32801-air-india-leasing-a-georgian-a320

Air India leasing a Georgian A320

Air India has leased an A320-200, 4L-AJD (cn 879), from Vista Georgia the AeroTransport database has revealed. The twinjet, formerly in service with Georgian LCC flyvista, is currently operating Hajj flights on behalf of the Indian national carrier.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Jishnu Sir: please bear with me, my backlog is still quite huge Sad
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feel glad that I flew in IWB atleast
Karan-ji, you owe us a trip report since quite a while! Why don't we start with the IWB TR? Smile
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At present, of Air India's three remaining B777-200(LR)s, two are in storage at Mumbai Int'l with VT-ALF (msn 36305) the only one still in operational service.

http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/32798-etihad-in-talks-to-lease-air-indias-three-remaining-b777-200lrs
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http://www.lse.co.uk/AllNews.asp?code=xvlc83gq&headline=Avation_Leases_Two_Aircraft_To_Air_India_Unit_For_Regional_Service

Avation Leases Two Aircraft To Air India Unit For Regional Service

14th Nov 2014

Avation PLC Friday said it has entered into a deal to lease two ATR 72-600 aircraft to Airline Allied Services Ltd, a unit of Indian national carrier Air India, for 12 years.

The aircraft leasing company said the two aircraft will be flown under the name Air India Regional and are scheduled for delivery in December this year and January 2015.

To finance the deliveries, Avation has signed a binding letter of offer for senior debt finance with an unnamed export credit agency. It said the cost of funding is in line with its typical commercial bank-sourced senior funding.

"Consistent with our strategy of diversifying the customer base and geography for our leased aircraft we are pleased to announce this new client and geographic diversification into India. We welcome Air India Regional as an operator and are pleased to have secured additional export credit finance for India," said Executive Chairman Jeff Chatfield.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...lease two ATR 72-600 aircraft...
That is great news for the traveller: AT&-6s! 9W has three of these lovely birds VT-JCX, JCY and JCZ (any more?), and I cannot wait to see the AT7-6s in the Flying Swan livery. I guess it will be the same as the AT4-3s, but continue to hope against hope that they will align the text with the vertical stabiliser middle, rather than the top (leading to a large amount of white space on the bottom), as in the current design.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any update on new uniforms?
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Air-India-to-commence-direct-flight-from-Goa-to-Muscat/articleshow/45153539.cms

Air India to commence direct flight from Goa to Muscat

Nov 15, 2014

Air India announced a daily direct flight from Goa to Muscat via Mumbai starting November 16, a press release from the directorate of information and publicity said.

Flight number AI - 983 will land at T-2 international airport in Mumbai and passengers will be accommodated in the transit lounge till departure of their flight to Muscat.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TOI contradicting themselves again. According to them, a direct flight has a stopover for chai-naashta in Bombay.
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^ Here we go.
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Air India sees record growth in market share, occupancy

http://www.livemint.com/Industry/7gSaYHEWUWOorNd08VYttL/Air-India-sees-record-growth-in-market-share-occupancy.html
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Air India flight suffers tyre burst and bird hit at Goa airport

http://www.livemint.com/Companies/jAwsVWQEmOYtP75ZLp8bSK/Air-India-flight-suffers-tyre-burst-and-bird-hit-at-Goa-airp.html
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone know why the PM ditched the AI 747-400 for the Fiji leg of his current tour? He flew from Melbourne to Suva on the 'Rajkamal' 737BBJ, which they'd have had to ferry across all the way to southern Australia.
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Jeh wrote:
Anyone know why the PM ditched the AI 747-400 for the Fiji leg of his current tour? He flew from Melbourne to Suva on the 'Rajkamal' 737BBJ, which they'd have had to ferry across all the way to southern Australia.


Possibly because the ground crew at Nadi do not have the technical know how to handle a 744? I can think of no other reason.

Which is weird, as Air Pacific was operating 744s till 2013. Maybe our babus don't have the faith in their capabilities.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There could be a pending Mx issue, better to be handled at Melbourne than in Fiji!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read somewhere that refuelling the 747 (while in Burma IIRC) delayed PM's departure by more than 90 mins. Maybe he got pissed off with that delay!!
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747-237 wrote:
...lease two ATR 72-600 aircraft...
That is great news for the traveller: AT&-6s! 9W has three of these lovely birds VT-JCX, JCY and JCZ (any more?), and I cannot wait to see the AT7-6s in the Flying Swan livery. I guess it will be the same as the AT4-3s, but continue to hope against hope that they will align the text with the vertical stabiliser middle, rather than the top (leading to a large amount of white space on the bottom), as in the current design.
Cheers, Sumantra.


Sumantra, your excitement has even gotten Air India to tweet about a new variant joining the fleet !

https://twitter.com/airindiain/status/534942897859080192
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sumantra, your excitement has even gotten Air India to tweet about a new variant joining the fleet! https://twitter.com/airindiain/status/534942897859080192
Ha ha! I wish I were regular on the social media.
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I read somewhere that refuelling the 747 (while in Burma IIRC) delayed PM's departure by more than 90 mins. Maybe he got pissed off with that delay!!


Myanmar's capital Nay Pyi Taw Airport
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Refuelling-row-delayed-PM-Narendra-Modis-flight-in-Myanmar/articleshow/45171120.cms

The_Goat wrote:
Jeh wrote:
Anyone know why the PM ditched the AI 747-400 for the Fiji leg of his current tour? He flew from Melbourne to Suva on the 'Rajkamal' 737BBJ, which they'd have had to ferry across all the way to southern Australia.


Possibly because the ground crew at Nadi do not have the technical know how to handle a 744? I can think of no other reason.

Which is weird, as Air Pacific was operating 744s till 2013. Maybe our babus don't have the faith in their capabilities.


ssbmat wrote:
There could be a pending Mx issue, better to be handled at Melbourne than in Fiji!



Yet returned on the 744 from Suva to Delhi.

The special Air India plane carrying the Prime Minister and his delegation landed at the airport here at 7:15 am after a 14-hour flight from Fiji capital Suva with a two-hour refuelling halt at Yangon in Myanmar.

http://www.firstpost.com/india/ending-three-nation-tour-pm-narendra-modi-back-delhi-1812133.html
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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747-237 wrote:
Sumantra, your excitement has even gotten Air India to tweet about a new variant joining the fleet! https://twitter.com/airindiain/status/534942897859080192
Ha ha! I wish I were regular on the social media.
Cheers, Sumantra.


Trust me, you're not missing much, at least on Air India's twitter feed, other than a daily dose of bullshit motivational one-liners :

Namaste! The measure of who we are is what we do with what we have.
Namaste! If you think you can then you can. Smile
Namaste! Wish you a happy Monday and a beautiful week. Smile
Namaste. It's weekend! Make the most of it.
Namaste! Let's welcome the warmth of winter. Smile
Namaste! Happiness held is the seed, happiness shared is the flower. Smile
Namaste! Embrace the day. Smile
Namaste! Travel.Live. #EnjoySunday

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of liveries, is there any technical reason (aside from the engine nacelles) that the 787 livery is drastically different than the ones on the other birds in the fleet - lack of the cheatline, titles on the tail, etc.?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Speaking of liveries, is there any technical reason (aside from the engine nacelles) that the 787 livery is drastically different than the ones on the other birds in the fleet - lack of the cheatline, titles on the tail, etc.?
Thank you for raising this issue: I have always wondered about this from Day one, and never come up with any satisfactory answer, especially the tail. There have been quite a few liveries with more white on the empennage, especially the front side. AI's Dream)liners stand out from the rest (of the fleet), but not in a positive sense: unless the reason is anything technical, a lack of stylistic continuity across the fleet does not give a good feeling to the flyer, who looks forward to seamless experiences on an airline.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

talking about liveries... here is a very valuable infographic on Air India Express


http://flyawaysimulation.com/images/downloadshots/21685-faib-b738-air-india-express-fsxzip-8-teaser.jpg


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aseem wrote:
talking about liveries... here is a very valuable infographic on Air India Express
Thanks, this is a beautiful compilation. AIX liveries have always been unique, unique in their asymmetry as well, and stunning.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm guessing the 787 livery was to be applied fleet wide under the Austrian CEO who was aiming for a' less is more' look, one ad featured a 77L in it too, but with his ouster thats over so the newer 787s should have been coming in the livery like on the rest of fleet.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

indopaki wrote:
I'm guessing the 787 livery was to be applied fleet wide under the Austrian CEO who was aiming for a' less is more' look, one ad featured a 77L in it too, but with his ouster thats over so the newer 787s should have been coming in the livery like on the rest of fleet.
Thank you: that explains a lot. Badauf was there in the Arvind Jadhav era. You are a person who pays great attention to design issues: yes, the less is more' trend is quite predominant now, but personally, is a bit discomforting for me, especially with the disappearance of the three-arched Hawa Mahal-style windows, with them being replaced with the single-arched ones.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Press release,

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Direct from Boeing website:

SEATTLE, July 10, 2006 -- The Boeing [NYSE: BA] 787 program has made a subtle but important change to the airplane's livery to enhance airplane performance. By developing a method for maintaining a smooth flow of air -- called laminar flow -- over more area on the 787 nacelle inlet, Boeing is able to reduce aircraft drag and fuel consumption.

The 787 nacelle has a tightly controlled smooth surface to preserve laminar flow over a greater distance than that on a standard design. "Aircraft drag is reduced because laminar flow has much lower skin friction drag than turbulent flow," said Ron Hinderberger, propulsion leader for the 787 program.

To achieve laminar flow over the inlet it is necessary to maintain a very smooth, continuous surface without paint edges, which can occur when paint transitions from one color to another, or as paint details are added. The design parameter for the nacelles is based on thickness of the paint formulation for a single color; Boeing has chosen gray to complement the metallic appearance of the nacelle's inlet.

"If you interrupt the laminar flow by adding paint layers, which are common with airline liveries, you could increase fuel burn by 30,000 gallons per year per airplane," Hinderberger added. "An improvement like this -- especially with rising fuel prices -- can contribute positively to the bottom line for an airline."


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The engines cannot be painted because the laminar nacelle's flow characteristics are crucial. Boeing has stressed a lot that the engine MUST be a single, neutral color, as any decals or paint color differences will cause ridges that will affect flow significantly, despite the boundary layer.

The reason they can't be dark is, I believe, due to CFRP's heat characteristics. Many composites do poorly under temperature effects.


One of the primary reasons that EY and to some extent AA pushed for re branding was the fact that their older c/s weren't sustainable on the 787.
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Actual Thing.
Rishul, I know about the engine nacelles, but what about the tail leading edge, and the absence of the cheat line on the fuselage? I'm a complete layperson here, unfortunately.
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To MPs' request for seat upgrade, Air India says ‘sorry’

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/141123/business-companies/article/mps-request-seat-upgrade-air-india-says-%E2%80%98sorry%E2%80%99
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting despite Boeing stressing and emphasising numbers on savings, only six airlines have opted to have white nacelles deviating from their normal livery colours, besides AI its Jetstar, ANA, China Southern, Aeromexico and United.

Although Boeing recommended neutral colours only white is being used not even pale grey which would have made ANA, China Southern and United 787 liveries like their regular fleet livery.

JAL changed their livery, the arc of sun was to have white engines despite the fuselage being offwhite, Royal Jordanian, BA and Virgin have chosen to paint them in dark colours, RJ being the first to use two colours in contrast to Boeing recommendation, AI was the first to apply logo on the egines albeit on white, Qatar first to apply logo on coloured engines now Avianca do that too. Air Canada first to use metallic paint.

Summantra, AI 787 can have the fuselage stripes and title on tail leading edge it has nothing to do with affecting 787s performance as in the nacelles case, yet as you can see many have opted for coloured ones.
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Sumantra, AI 787 can have the fuselage stripes and title on tail leading edge it has nothing to do with affecting 787s performance as in the nacelles case, yet as you can see many have opted for coloured ones.
Thanks. With regard to the nacelles, AI would have gone in for compliance since the Dream)liner was, and has been a key to their turnaround plan; and being in the select list of the first few to have this revolutionary aircraft in its fleet, they have the first movers' advantage as well.
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And speaking of the 787 and liveries - wasn't one due to be delivered in a Star Alliance theme as well? Crying or Very sad
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And speaking of the 787 and liveries - wasn't one due to be delivered in a Star Alliance theme as well? Crying or Very sad


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Air India's next (18th) 787, VT-ANS, has been painted in regular Air India livery earlier this week and is back in CHS. This rules out the Star Alliance livery being applied on the 787 as per Air India's intended plans, anytime soon.


http://airlinersindia.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?p=141497#141497
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Air-India-Dreamliners-may-finally-fly-in-light-fog/articleshow/45253842.cms

Air India Dreamliners may finally fly in light fog

Nov 24, 2014

Air India's Dreamliners are having a race against time to get prepared for Delhi's winter fog. The Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) is all set to give instrument landing system (ILS) category II certification to the Boeing 787, allowing it to land ins hallow fog.

But whether the most crucial Cat III B certification — which lets aircraft land in dense fog — happens this winter or not remains to be seen.

"We will give Cat II certification soon and then each pilot will have to do 50 landings on this to go to the next step of Cat III. Let's see if that can happen this winter," said a senior official.

While the fog in Delhi may still be some time away, poor visibility in the foreign destinations where AI Dreamliners fly is already creating problems for its flyers.

On Sunday, for instance, AI's Delhi-Shanghai flight had to be diverted to Hangzhou (in China) due to poor visibility in Shanghai. AI had to then send 192 passengers to expensive hotels in Hangzhou.

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Air India left 50,000 of flyers stranded in October

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MUMBAI: Air India appears to have touched a new low in October as more than 50,000 of its passengers were hit by flight delays. It's an abnormal number as, on an average, across all Indian carriers, including Air India, around 25,000 passengers are affected due to delayed flights each month.

A total of 62,011 passengers who booked domestic and international flights on Indian carriers were hit by flight delays beyond two hours in October. Of these, 50,773 belonged to AI alone, stated Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) data. In September, a total of 24,250 passengers were hit and 18,346 were AI passengers (see box). The trend was the same for the earlier months with AI contributing the highest percentage of passengers hit by flight delays.The national carrier, which is the third largest airline in terms of domestic market share, flew around 17 lakh passengers, domestic and international included, that month. So, three out of every 100 passenger who flew AI were stranded at airports during the busy Diwali festive season travel. In comparison, only 0.2% of passengers who booked on private carriers were hit by flight delays in October.
AI then was also the airline that spent the most—Rs 67 lakh —on its flyers affected by delays. The amount went towards providing refreshments, rescheduling and refunds in cases where passengers cancelled their booking. This apart, in October, owing to its chaotic flight schedules, the national carrier spent Rs 38 lakh towards compensation for passengers whose flights were cancelled. The highest spend was Rs 73 lakh, though, which went towards hotel accommodation, refunds and so on, provided to passengers who had confirmed bookings, but were denied boarding. The ailing airline, thus, spent a total of Rs 1.8 crore as compensation to its affected passengers.

From July to October, AI spent a total of Rs 1.4 crore towards compensation and allied expenses arising out of flight delays, Rs 1.2 crore for denied boarding, and Rs 1.3 crore for flight cancellations. The total AI spend on all these categories for the four-month period is Rs 3.9 crore whereas for the all the other carriers put together, the corresponding figure is Rs 1.3 crore.

An airline source said: "The airline's functioning was mismanaged on a number of fronts. What peeved the passengers the most was when it withheld information on their flight status," said an airline source, referring to the few instances in the last week of October where disgruntled passengers verbally abused AI ground staff.

An AI spokesperson said, "The recent disruption in performance was mainly because of technical problems with engines, which resulted in fewer aircraft being available for operations. This has been rectified since and the number of aircraft available has increased, thus restoring the schedule." The official added that during the interruption, AI operated wide body aircraft such as Boeing 777 and 787 from Mumbai to clear the festive traffic. "AI also plans to strengthen the customer care centres so that these eventualities are addressed promptly and effectively. In order to improve connectivity between the metros, AI plans to induct more of the Boeing 787s to provide passengers with the ultimate comfort in flying. Despite these interruptions and combination of flights, AI topped the airlines in October in having the highest load factor of 83.5%.''

AI had the largest percentage of affected passengers in the three categories, except in the month of July and August, where Jet Airways had the largest number of passengers who were denied boarding. In August, 811 Jet passengers were denied boarding against 286 of AI. In July Jet denied boarding to 382 passengers and AI 332.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Air-India-left-50000-of-flyers-stranded-in-October/articleshow/45264447.cms
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only 9 of Air India's 370 daily flights profitable

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AI's profitable international flights are between Cochin-Kozhikode-Jeddah; Kozhikode-Sharjah and Kolkata-Yangon. The profitable domestic ones are between Delhi-Leh; Delhi-Kolkata; Leh-Jammu; Delhi-Srinagar; Srinagar-Leh and Delhi-Hyderabad-Vijayawada.
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