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Boeing7xx · Member Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 477 Location: WSSS

Spotted an Air India 747 standing at Paine , from a distance the paint looked fresh. Any ideas what this guy could be doing there?

Could only see the tail and some part of the top, took a pic from my mobile. Will transfer it to my laptop later.

AKLDELNonstop · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1066 Location: Auckland

Are you still allowed to buy 744s, maybe an old order but seems very very unlikely, coz definitely would have been publicised. Perhaps a lease maybe or more likely the return of a leased a/c

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karatecatman · Guest

No more buying (!!!) although Air India is evaluating the 747-8 versus the A380 when Air India's own(ed) 747-400s retire in 2012.

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D-ABTH · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject:

its most likely a fresh lease me thinks.. unlikely AI will fly any of their current jumbos for a fresh paint makeover to PAE.. its most likely a new lease that has been sent to PAE to be livered into AI colours prior to H/O. in such cases its the lessor who decides where to get the job done and may have sent it to Boeings facility..

previously a number of the leased birds ex KE/SQ were done at HAM
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karatecatman · Guest

If its fresh lease, then it could be the 2 ex-United 747-400s in storage at Victorville. (Himmat had the details). AI was in negotiations with UA.

AI is in the market again for 12 leased aircraft. Lease is to be for 2 years.

HamiltonAir · Member Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 937 Location: Bangalore

I only wish they buy a couple of 747-8s Very Happy

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AKLDELNonstop · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1066 Location: Auckland

They seriously need to order the 748 or 380 now without delay, so that they get it when they need it and they dont have to cut down services from routes to meet more pressing requests as we are seeing now.

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G-BYGB · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject:

I think AI should order 15 747-800 with 5 as an option.They should get out of their bad habit of leasing acfts.It doesn't work well in the present context.
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Boeing7xx · Member Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 477 Location: WSSS

Can't help this, but my laptop won't connect to this LAN. Will see if i can get some help from the techies.

the_380 · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject:

I think AI will stick to their Boeing trend and go for 748s only... i find rare chances in the A380 although i would personally prefer the A380s
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Aseem · Member Joined: 15 Dec 2006 Posts: 2841 Location: YYZ

again!! how many planes has compititon ordered Question

Or are we including foreign players as well...

HAWK21M · Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:10 am Post subject:

Leasing is a good Short term option until your Aircraft Arrives.
Personally I feel AI will go with the B748 over A380.But thats a way off.
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G-BYGB · Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject:

They will have to open new hubs inorder to stay on top in the competition.MUM and DEL can no longer be the two oerating points for AI.The new acfts of AI should be deployed from 4 other metros .Will they do that is a big Question

It is imp to note that in another decade the demand for int'l air travel is gonna double.If they order B747-800 they can be prepared for the future.Incase the demand to fly in AI increases they don't have to loose out to their competitors due to acft shortage.Moreover there are so many other cities that they can tap for direct flights as well.Even other airlines will have to worry about infrastructure .So they can't rush into operating int'l flghts when they legally get cleared to do.
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G-BYGB · Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject:

G-BYGB · Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject:

Maybe they should reduce it to 6 with 9 as an option .They can replace their old B744 with the new B748.
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AKLDELNonstop · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1066 Location: Auckland

Karan, leasing is bad as a long term option because,

for AI to become a world class airline, it needs a world class onboard product, which includes seats. Now would you spend a fortune refurbishing leased a/c with world class seats customised for your airline, and when the lease period is over spend another fortune in removing those seats or you lose them for good.

Do the math mate.

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karatecatman · Guest

AKL,
Not really.
Air India was very close to getting Air NZ 747-400s which were newly refurbished, and as wet lease.
It fell through for quite a few reasons, but the point is that Air India is aware of how product quality is a necessity even in a lease, and was looking for such an aircraft. Another example would be when AI got 9Ws A340s for a short lease. "Brand new aircraft" again.

AKLDELNonstop · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1066 Location: Auckland

KCM,

To make my point a bit more clear let me site the example of SQ. They have recently added their trademarked new J and F in their 773s. Now on the routes where these a/c ply, would a leased product be considered equivalent. Would you get a leased product with similar seats? Clearly, no. Short term replacement, perhaps, but long term definitely no.

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karatecatman · Guest

Knowing SQ, these same planes will be in the lease market in 5 years or less. SQ almost always chucks out and buys fresh in this time-cycle. Exclamation

the_380 · Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:45 pm Post subject:

Boeing7xx · Member Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 477 Location: WSSS

This is an ex United 747-400 that is being painted in AI livery, met some AI pilots who're here for the ferry. The a/c is scheduled to go Via Toronto to Gatwick and BOM day after.

JumboJet · Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:11 pm Post subject:

Boeing7xx · Member Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 477 Location: WSSS

my laptop won't connect to the internet and this PC won't connect to my phone, so you'll have to wait till i get back to base to put the pic up, but what would be so great about a half visible tail and top?

the_380 · Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject:

Boeing7xx · Member Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 477 Location: WSSS

Heard about AI wet leasing a 767 from GlobeSpan as well. I think its already in service.

the_380 · Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject:

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Nimish · Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:09 pm Post subject:

HAWK21M · Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:45 pm Post subject:

Since its a common Frame,likely to be Dry lease.
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karatecatman · Guest

Details are (by email from source):

Air India has signed a LoI (Letter of Intent) to dry lease 3 B747-400s from Montrose Global Capital. The aircraft will join the airline's fleet in early Jan., Feb and Mar of 2007.

Air India has already taken a B767-300ER on wet lease from Flyglobespan that operate on Mumbai-Delhi-Bangkok and Mumbai-Delhi-Kuala Lumpur.

Air India is also extending the dry lease of 2 A310-300s though Feb07 and Apr07.

Boeing7xx · Member Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 477 Location: WSSS

After a brief new year party and weather clearing up, the AI a/c has departed for Toronto. Happy landings my friends!

777-237LR · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 140

Sources in Air -India say no 744 joining the fleet these days, must be one of the 744s already in the fleet was at KPAE for some maintenance.

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Nimish · Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject:

Wow - this is getting quite confusing. So is AI getting 2-3 747s on lease or not? Any definitive answers to that from the AI experts?

karatecatman · Guest

Its three, from Montrose.

777-237LR · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 140

The A/C took off from KPAE on the 1st, where is it now?

himmat01 · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1392 Location: DEL

AI has managed to dry lease one more B747-400. It's ex SQ, 9V-SMT (990/27137). I wonder if it is the one being discussed here or some other a/c. Temp registration is N137GP.
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