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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 12:10 pm    Post subject: What's with the anti-Sri Lanka ness? Reply with quote

So can someone explain why Jayalalithaa(aaaaah) is sulking and those other politicians protesting and yet others complaining?

What exactly has Sri Lanka or the Lankan PM done to these politicians?
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To put in a nutshell.

Sri Lanka has arrested some Indian fishermen (from Tamilnadu) for allegedly violating their waters. Nothing new here, as both sides have been violating each other's waters and arresting each other's fishermen of years. It all used to end well.

Till Jayalalithaaa, in her avatar as the Saviour of the Tamils came along and started a boycott of everything SriLankan. Not that she loves the fishermen though. It is all being done for their votes.

Now Mahedra Rajapakse, the SL President recently said something on the lines of it bein a good thing Jayalalithaaa did not have much clout in Delhi. So everything has hit the fan now.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah okay thanks.

But she already has their votes. And a bunch of the fishermen were released yesterday, right?

So what's her problem now?
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tamil politicos always throw a hissy fit about what is at the end of the day, an island that is completely irrelevant to our daily lives.

Don't read too much into it - you're showering this non-issue with free publicity. The Lankans can do as they please both on their land and water.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well - the issue is actually much more than the fishermen arrested.

It's largely about the Srilankan ethnic majority having committing "War Crimes" on the poor-hapless Tamils in the northern part of Sri Lanka. Hence all Tamil Politicians (and actors) want Srilanka and it's president Rajapakse to be treated like a war criminal. Our local Tamilian politicians want that India should not engage with Sri Lanka until the SriLankan's start "loving" the Tamil people resident in North Sri Lanka.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Civil_War

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The Sri Lankan Civil War was a conflict fought on the island of Sri Lanka. Beginning on 23 July 1983, there was an intermittent insurgency against the government by the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (the LTTE, also known as the Tamil Tigers), an independent militant organisation which fought to create an independent Tamil state called Tamil Eelam in the north and the east of the island. After a 26-year military campaign, the Sri Lankan military defeated the Tamil Tigers in May 2009, bringing the civil war to an end.

For over 25 years, the war caused significant hardships for the population, environment and the economy of the country, with an estimated 80,000100,000 people killed during its course. During the early part of the conflict, the Sri Lankan forces attempted to retake the areas captured by the LTTE. The tactics employed by the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam against the actions of Government forces resulted in their listing as a terrorist organisation in 32 countries, including the United States, India, Canada and the member nations of the European Union. The Sri Lankan government forces have also been accused of human rights abuses, systematic impunity for serious human rights violations, lack of respect for habeas corpus in arbitrary detentions, and forced disappearances.

After two decades of fighting and four failed tries at peace talks, including the unsuccessful deployment of the Indian Army, the Indian Peace Keeping Force from 1987 to 1990, a lasting negotiated settlement to the conflict appeared possible when a cease-fire was declared in December 2001, and a ceasefire agreement signed with international mediation in 2002.[19] However, limited hostilities renewed in late 2005 and the conflict began to escalate until the government launched a number of major military offensives against the LTTE beginning in July 2006, driving the LTTE out of the entire Eastern province of the island. The LTTE then declared they would "resume their freedom struggle to achieve statehood".[20][21]

In 2007, the government shifted its offensive to the north of the country, and formally announced its withdrawal from the ceasefire agreement on 2 January 2008, alleging that the LTTE violated the agreement over 10,000 times.[22] Since then, aided by the destruction of a number of large arms smuggling vessels that belonged to the LTTE,[23] and an international crackdown on the funding for the Tamil Tigers, the government took control of the entire area previously controlled by the Tamil Tigers, including their de facto capital Kilinochchi, main military base Mullaitivu and the entire A9 highway,[24] leading the LTTE to finally admit defeat on 17 May 2009.[25] Following the end of the war, the Sri Lankan government claimed Sri Lanka as the first country in the modern world to eradicate terrorism on its own soil.[26] Following the LTTE's defeat, pro-LTTE Tamil National Alliance dropped its demand for a separate state, in favour of a federal solution.[27][28] In May 2010, Mahinda Rajapaksa, the president of Sri Lanka, appointed the Lessons Learnt and Reconciliation Commission (LLRC) to assess the conflict between the time of the ceasefire agreement in 2002 and the defeat of the LTTE in 2009.[29]


So the Tamil politicians are protesting the part in bold/ large font above. Stupid guys - it's not as if the LTTE were a bunch of cuddly pussy cats, they were terrorists of their own order - including killing Rajiv Gandhi!

And honestly - Sri Lanka is it's own country. Don't we have enough problems of our own that we have to obsess about citizens of Sri Lanka?

Of course Sri Lanka did some incredibly stupid things in the past which precipitated the whole crisis:

From: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/connor-ryan/the-other-two-state-solutiion_b_3716398.html

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The Tamils fought the Sinhalese for two primary reasons: 1) the 'Official Language Act' of 1956 made Sinhala (the language spoken by the Sinhalese) the official language of the state, and 2) the 1972 and 1978 Constitutions made Buddhism the favoured and protected religion of Sri Lanka. The Tamils, who spoke Tamil and were primarily Hindu, thus felt betrayed by their own government since the two acts effectively robbed them of their ability to speak their own language and practice their own religion. The 1978 Constitution is, by the way, still the supreme law of Sri Lanka.


Pakistan/ Bangladesh did this too - made themselves Islamic countries, while Nepal made itself a Hindu country. India unsurprisingly remains one of the only Secular countries in the region! Secular and non-interfering with our neighbors - except for Tamil Nadu messing with Sri Lanka Sad
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm happy Modi invited all the SAARC heads for his inauguration.
Manmohan Singh didn't have the spine to tell Tamil Nadu to hush it and skipped the Commonwealth meeting in Colombo, good thing Modi got the national interest right and isn't being held hostage by one state.
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 12:49 am    Post subject: Re: What's with the anti-Sri Lanka ness? Reply with quote

jasepl wrote:
So can someone explain why Jayalalithaa(aaaaah) is sulking and those other politicians protesting and yet others complaining?

What exactly has Sri Lanka or the Lankan PM done to these politicians?


Jason - this is an very sensitive issue in TN and has nothing to do with fishermen, and everything to do with the way Rajapaksa led govt conducted the war with LTTE, and the large number of civilian causalities that ensued. The UN just passed a resolution supported by the US and UK among others, to open an investigation in the alleged human rights abuses.

While I think the TN parties are behaving in a rather immature manner, you can hardly expect them to be ecstatic when the govt extends an invitation to someone who they believe is a war criminal.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=47435#.U4OQ8CjCnlw
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is stuff which one of the presidents' (I do not remember which one, I think it was Premadasa) told Indira Gandhi, wasn't particularly well received, especially by the Tamils (I won't be posting further details here at least), which kinda ignited the whole LTTE thing in the first place. Its been on since then, I guess.

Also, its not only anti Sri Lanka-ness.
There is plenty of anti India-ness which I need to go through. Had a trip over the weekend - the three of us teens had some pretty valid points to argue upon.
Most significant reason for the anti India-ness is because we have a much better cricket team and there is nothing they can do about it so they're very butt-hurt, hehe.

EDIT: But no, seriously, as I begin my last year here in SL, I really need to get down to talking with people - an ex-Army Chief is our neighbor, he has lots to tell. And he does not mind discussing these topics, so I guess I'll add more significant inputs the next time around. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jbalonso777 wrote:
EDIT: But no, seriously, as I begin my last year here in SL, I really need to get down to talking with people - an ex-Army Chief is our neighbor, he has lots to tell. And he does not mind discussing these topics, so I guess I'll add more significant inputs the next time around. Rolling Eyes


Would be good to get inputs from the Lankan side as well...
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nimish wrote:
Would be good to get inputs from the Lankan side as well...

Will do Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There have been human right abuses by the Sri Lankan army. When LTTE surrendered and were willing to give up to face charges, Sri Lankan army shot them any way (including LTTE leader's young son). And now when the Tamils were doing a memorial service recently, Sri Lankan army shut that down and conducted a huge military parade instead. Almost all countries boycotted this military event except Pakistan and China.

I guess Modi is right that he does not want to disrupt his inauguration with this issue, but it will need to be addressed later.
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When an organized government carries out a struggle against organized rebellion, there is bound to be some or the other human rights abuse.

The question is, one man's hero is another man's terrorist. Which country in this world has not conducted human rights abuses ? The so-called western beacons of democracy committed the most atrocious mass-murder of innocent Iraqi civilians and pillaged the country in the name of non-existent WMDs. By that token alone, all those leaders should be WAR Criminals. But UN has never been an unbiased body since its inception.
China has been conducting human rights violations since time immemorial. I am sure there have been plenty of violations by Indian armed forces in JK, NE and especially Punjab. But each country will always have its own stakes and justifications Which is why I feel that there should never be more intrusion into the internal affairs of the country than is absolutely necessary for mutual benefit. Successive governments in india have pandered to TN interests solely for the purpose of coalition politics. I hope at least this time, the central govt will carry out its own will. It was of course, extremely petty of Jaya and Mamata not to attend or send emissaries to the function. In the end, the people of TN (where BJP does not have a huge political stake- atleast from 2019 perspective) will suffer if the center provides more assistance in Cauvery related issues with Karnataka, a state which they have done well in this Lok Sabha and need to wrest it back from Cong control in 2018.
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the Tamils in Rajapakse's purge comprised of the LTTE and their supporters, and these chaps were neither saints not 'unarmed civilians', as is being made out.

One mustn't forget that the NDA includes two parties who were the strongest supporters of the LTTE - MDMK and PMK. Surely they would have at least made their feelings known to the BJP when Rajapakse was invited? Apart from staging some token 'Black Flag March', they did nothing.

None of the Indian Tamils were outraged, or at least, showed it when Rajapkase's Army massacred the LTTE. Karunanidhi was the TN CM at that time, and also a constituent of the UPA government. He could have used his clout to get India to sanction Sri Lanka. He too did nothing.

All this Tamil concern for their 'brothers' in Sri Lanka is poppycock. Everyone knew that the LTTE had gotten too big for its shoes and needed, in some way, to be eliminated. Everyone was happy to let the SL army do the job.

Now Jayalaithaaa, in her new Tamil Saviour role, is just digging things up using the fishermen issue as an excuse.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The issue about fishing: when there was war going on in Sri Lanka, the waters north of Sri Lanka were not fished by Sri Lankans. This led abundant sea life, and Indian fishermen routinely crossed the Indian waters to fish there. Every now and then they were shot or captured by the Sri Lankan navy. But they had a free run more or less. Post conflict, fishermen from Sri Lanka start fishing, there is more competition, and more importantly their navy is no longer focussed on fighting, and has started to capture more of our fishermen, fishing in their waters. That is the issue. I feel the blame lies with us.

The other bigger issue, the more important one: Most of Tamil Nadu knew that tamil civilians were being killed in the conflict asking for a separate homeland for Tamils in Sri Lanka: constantly reminded by the refugees coming into Tamil Nadu. Some in Tamil Nadu openly supported, and still support, the demand for a separate homeland for Tamils in Sri Lanka, while a majority knew it would not happen. The Sri Lankans (Sinhalese) "somehow" managed to end the conflict, in ways, once pictures started surfacing, that shocked the state. Some of those pictures are heart rending. Post the appearance of this evidence is when more or less the whole state started raising concerns about human rights violations and started raising their voice asking that the Sri Lankan regime be made accountable for it. They insisted the Indian central government to vote with the United States in a United Nations resolution. They have been asking for a fair trial and for devolution of more powers to Sri Lanka's northern territory, which is their Tamil Nadu. I feel a lot of these demands are reasonable.

As to someone saying that Modi will not care, support Karnataka, AIADMK won 37 of 39 seats because most people in the state knew voting for her meant voting for Modi. It is common knowledge that both of them are close. So in a way, he did win in Tamil Nadu too.

Also, did not Modi during his campaigning mention that states that bordered foreign countries should have a say in foreign policy. He, with his past experience running a state, should be the last person to ignore what states have to say. Are we not a federation of states?
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most of the Tamils in Rajapakse's purge comprised of the LTTE and their supporters, and these chaps were neither saints not 'unarmed civilians', as is being made out.

One mustn't forget that the NDA includes two parties who were the strongest supporters of the LTTE - MDMK and PMK. Surely they would have at least made their feelings known to the BJP when Rajapakse was invited? Apart from staging some token 'Black Flag March', they did nothing.


No one denies that the LTTE was a gang of murderous thugs and that the region is better off with them eliminated. That however does not excuse the SL govt. There is abundant evidence that civilians in thousands perishing in the final days of the offensive, and that is the reason for the UN human rights investigation.

[quote= All this Tamil concern for their 'brothers' in Sri Lanka is poppycock.

Now Jayalaithaaa, in her new Tamil Saviour role, is just digging things up using the fishermen issue as an excuse.[/quote]

Huh? The SL issue has always been a emotive issue in TN, with the state hosting several hundred thousands refugees at the height of the conflict . While the various parties did try to one up each other in their protests, there is no denying that this is an issue that all the parties in TN are united around. And as the CM, Jayalalitha could not have been seen as indifferent to it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssbmat wrote:
When an organized government carries out a struggle against organized rebellion, there is bound to be some or the other human rights abuse.

The question is, one man's hero is another man's terrorist. Which country in this world has not conducted human rights abuses ? The so-called western beacons of democracy committed the most atrocious mass-murder of innocent Iraqi civilians and pillaged the country in the name of non-existent WMDs. By that token alone, all those leaders should be WAR Criminals. But UN has never been an unbiased body since its inception.
China has been conducting human rights violations since time immemorial. I am sure there have been plenty of violations by Indian armed forces in JK, NE and especially Punjab. But each country will always have its own stakes and justifications Which is why I feel that there should never be more intrusion into the internal affairs of the country than is absolutely necessary for mutual benefit. Successive governments in india have pandered to TN interests solely for the purpose of coalition politics. I hope at least this time, the central govt will carry out its own will. It was of course, extremely petty of Jaya and Mamata not to attend or send emissaries to the function. In the end, the people of TN (where BJP does not have a huge political stake- atleast from 2019 perspective) will suffer if the center provides more assistance in Cauvery related issues with Karnataka, a state which they have done well in this Lok Sabha and need to wrest it back from Cong control in 2018.


I love this volte-face!! The saffron brigade was hell bent on throwing Sharukh Khan out when he suggested India and Pakistan shud mend ties. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, I see these justifications!! Wink

But I agree with one thing that you said - its all about votes - whether it be 2014/2016 or 2019!!
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justbala wrote:
I love this volte-face!! The saffron brigade was hell bent on throwing Sharukh Khan out when he suggested India and Pakistan shud mend ties. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, I see these justifications!! Wink

But I agree with one thing that you said - its all about votes - whether it be 2014/2016 or 2019!!


Two completely different things altogether.... What is the connection between Sri Lanka - the topic at hand, and SRK?

Or is this the new Congi pastime - putting 2 and 2 together and screaming 22? Razz

Personally, I feel SRK should be thrown out of the country - considering the movie roles he plays these days... Laughing

And as far as engagement with Pakistan is concerned - the message to the entire world was that India is going to engage with its neighbours (SAARC plus Mauritius) first and then rest of the world later. Even the US and China will have to wait!

I think this is a good strategy, considering how troublesome our neighbourhood is (Pak, Bangladesh, SL, Nepal) and China's increasing influence in the area. Pakistan is part of SAARC, so we had to call them. If the Pakis try another mis-adventure, then it will be a completely different ballgame...

And yeah, the Congis should take this time to introspect, and find a viable leadership for themselves, someone other than the Royal family, rather than trying to fish here and there - considering the massive mauling they got this time round...
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