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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Speed-wise (do we not have a fascination for this aspect of pace bowling?)
Yes sir, at least I do. Very Happy

Me too, Sir Very Happy
I guess we may never have a Mohammed Nissar, or a slightly slower Lal Singh, the first deadly duo India ever had.
Kapil was quick, but not express pace, and he rightly realised that his strength was not bowling outright quick. His rewards are there for all to see.
Srinath was possibly the quickest most of us on this forum have seen in action. The pace, bounce and swing he generated was great, with his bowling complemented well by his state team-mate, the much slower but wily Venkatesh Prasad, whose `slower' balls were brilliantly disguised. Amir Sohali's shattered stumps the ball after the insult is a sight which not too many Indians will forget easily.
Zaheer started quite quick, a fact acknowledged by Srinath himself, but realised that his strength was in his variation, and guile. His knuckle ball, moving the ball appreciably both ways, reverse swinging the ball at in the mid-120kmph range (surprising those who believed that it could happen only at much faster speeds), and on occassion, slipping in a 140kmph+ ball, makes him a good prospect, now that he is fitter than before.
Munaf Patel, man from Ikhar. In the words of Ian Bishop (IIRC), `when he came to the Windies for the first time, he had serious pace. Now, he is a spinner!' The physical demands of consistently bowling quick, I guess, toned him down. He had great `twitch muscles', which gave him great pace at the point of release.
Sreesanth at his best, had a seam position rarely seen after Richard Hadlee, and could swing it around at a decent pace. However, his lack of consistency, and radar too, and his off-field efforts, did not win him many fans.
Irfan Pathan had touched the 90 miles an hour mark at Bengaluru, but was essentially more of a slower swing bowler, than quick. Many of his Pakistan exploits came with his speeds in the 120s and the 130s. Balaji bowled well within his limitations, in the same range. Agarkar could slip in 140+ balls on occassion, but his at least-one-hittable ball per over did not do him favours. Nehra's average speed was less, but could work up very quick balls on occassion, including the 148kmph+ ball in the 2003 World cup, which he played with Srinath and Zaheer. His fragile body did him no favours, though.
Ishant had come in as a breath of fresh air four bouncy pitches, but with his confidence at perhaps an all-time low, he has lost his control, not to mention his speed. I hope practice matches on the SA tour help him get his confidence back. He has the height, and can generate good pace and bounce from close to a good length spot.
Umesh can generate good pace in the 140s, and movement as well - he will possibly blossom with more control as he continues. Varun Aaron is possibly India's quickest, a bowler who has not compromised on his speed. He has spent a large part of his brief active time recuperating from injuries, but he is perhaps the most exciting prospect in terms of the speed gun.
Shami is not express pace, though he does 140+ on many occassions, making him a difficult customer, since he combines his pace with some excellent reverse swing in both directions. I hope he develops into a good prospect for India.
In the Ranji trophy, the cupboard looks quite bare. Dhawal Kulkarni is not express pace. I wonder if people have seen Assam's Abu Nechim in action. He is said to generate 140+ pace, but other parameters my be found wanting.
Personally, I do not expect much from India's pacemen on the South Africa tour. It will be nice to see good performances from these people, even though they are up against an incomparable Dale Steyn (pace with great accuracy), and Morne Morkel (usually quicker, but not as effective). Philanderer, Parnell and others are a tad slower, but Philanderer is a very good bowler.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Philanderer, Parnell and others are a tad slower, but Philanderer is a very good bowler.
Cheers, Sumantra.


Sir, it is Vernon Philander

He may well be a philanderer, who knows
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not think we will have much to expect from the third one-dayer, except for a better performance, which even this team with fresh faces, is capable of. The bowling lacked bite in the previous match, and the top order batsmen did not deliver. The positives from the last match? Shami was his usual impressive self. Umesh was quick, but his radar was a bit awry, and went for some runs. Ishant was much better than one expected in this state of being low on confidence, but was in the 130s as far as his speed went, and did not hit the right lengths at the right speeds, or move the ball considerably around, which are all things which he can do very effectively, at his best. It will be nice if he uses this experience to get his confidence back, and get back speed, good seam position, the away-swinger in addition to his natural in-swinger. If he does so, he will be a big asset for the more difficult Australia tour. Umesh needs more match practice, I guess. He is a resource India needs to conserve well. I had missed out Parvinder Awana in my Ranji analysis, above. He can hit the 140s on occassion. However, I do not think he is ready for the big league, yet - my personal opinion (all from the comfort of my armchair, of course). Would Varun Aaron have been a good prospect for the last one-dayer? Varun is prone to frequent break-downs, and even in the Ranji match, the Jharkhand team used him conservatively, and very well: in short bursts, where he more than did justice to his reputation. He bowled very fast, and very well. He may be a good prospect for the Indian team when used with short match practice, and only in the 50- or 20-over formats, a bit like Shaun Tait or Malinga, whose bodies do not suit the rigour of the longer versions of the game (the real deal, though). Ashwin and Sir Jadeja perhaps need to get a bit more of their confidence back - they were not very impressive, but showed flashes of what they are capable of in the limited overs formats, in the last match. The positives from the batting were the application shown by Raina (who is not at his best against the short rising ball, but hung on), and the grit and dodgy determination of Ashwin and Sir Jadeja. It was heartening to see a semblance of batting resistance against a much better side. As the talented Rohit Sharma says, yes, they have it in them to fight, and possibly will do so.
All the best for a good performance, Team India! We will not mid a loss, but would love to see a good fight being put up, against a much better opponent.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was nice to see Ishant hitting the right lengths and having some of his confidence back, especially after the two wickets in the same over. His quickest was around 139kmph, but I hope he can add his earlier feared pace as well. He has age on his side. On the other hand, it was heartening to see both Shami and Umesh bowl in the mid-140s: the likes of 144 and 146kmph. Shami was impressive overall, but for the time when AB tore into him. Yadav was a bit off at times, but I see him improving a bit, and getting into the groove. The heartening part was that this ground was possibly the flattest pitch the Indians have experienced thus far, with most of the grass shorn off. The first five bowlers exercised some good control over the batsmen, before AB and De Kock tore into them, with Miller's fireworks at the end. De Kock's application and patience in this innings was as awesome as the immensely talented AB's audacious hitting.
Now, the stage shifts to the tests. Different pitches, different approaches, different strategies, and for India, a different team. Test cricket is the real deal, the real test of character. Among the bowlers, the steadier Ojha will possibly come in, in place of `Sir' Jadeja, to join Ashwin. This format should suit the hard-working Shami better, with more scope to reverse the old ball both ways, at good pace. It will be a test of character for Umesh, in case he gets a look-in, in place of Bhuvaneshwar, who is perhaps better on seaming wickets rather than hard and bouncy decks. Will it be a bit too early to thrown Ishant into the longer format, when he is in the process of gaining his confidence? Perhaps, yes. It will be nice to see Der Alte Zak bowl testing long spells. In the batting, I look forward to seeing Pujara and Rahane in action. I hope the Indian team gives a good fight to the technically better home side. Graeme Smith comes back into the side, this should be something for the cricket enthusiast to look forward to.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent innings by Kohli. One of the best I've seen by an Indian batsman in recent times. Well done, mate!

And the Rohit Sharmas, Dhawans and Pujaras have proven to be the bananas-in-pyjamas. Not that we didn't know. Quintessential flat track bullies, all of them!


Nice job by the Aussies in regaining the Ashes. The Indian tour of England next summer will be interesting to watch now.
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And the Rohit Sharmas, Dhawans and Pujaras have proven to be the bananas-in-pyjamas
Very true Sir, about Kohli. Pujara and Rahane actually batted quite well, if you followed the match very closely, before Pujara's unfortunate run-out. Ishant getting quite a bit of his confidence back was something nice: he was hitting the right areas as well. He may be able to chug up more pace as well, to make him an even more dangerous customer. Zaheer bowled well, and Shami was his usual quick and impressive self. I guess Ashwin was chosen over Umesh to led some more back-up to the batting line-up. My hunch is that Rohit Sharma and Dhawan will get their act together soon - of course, I could be proved horribly wrong. By the end of the second day, the Indian team really has things to cheer about. We do not mind that!
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Today Pujara played well with an unbeaten century. But I must say that the wicket had eased up a bit and was good for batting. Morne Morkel's injury also meant that they did not have a bowler who could get that bounce because of his height.

From India's point of view, hope it does not rain on the final two days. India has a good record in Johannesburg.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Today Pujara played well with an unbeaten century. But I must say that the wicket had eased up a bit and was good for batting. Morne Morkel's injury also meant that they did not have a bowler who could get that bounce because of his height.

From India's point of view, hope it does not rain on the final two days. India has a good record in Johannesburg.


Ok, I take back what I said about Pujara. Great stuff from him, although I still wouldn't rate him as Rahul Dravid's replacement (yet).

I wonder what happened to the famed SA seam attack? Or is the pitch breaking up?
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Ok, I take back what I said about Pujara. Great stuff from him, although I still wouldn't rate him as Rahul Dravid's replacement (yet).


Yup. Pujara should prove his mantle again in the remainder of this series and in upcoming overseas test tours in NZ, ENG and AUS.
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<b>Graham Swann Announces his retirement from International Cricket.</b> Shocked

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cricket-england-spinner-swann-retires-team-002317502--spt.html

<b>MELBOURNE, Dec 22 (Reuters) </b>

<i>England spinner Graeme Swann has announced his retirement from international and first-class cricket midway through the Ashes after being put to the sword by Australia's batsmen in the first three tests of the series.

The surprise announcement comes days after England surrendered the coveted urn in the third test in Perth to fall 3-0 behind in the five-test series, and continues a tumultuous campaign for the visitors both and on off the field.

The 34-year-old Northampton man said his body was no longer up to the rigour of long-form cricket and that it would be selfish for him to stay in a team that needed to rebuild.

"It's quite simple, when I came out on this trip, I half expected it to be my last tour for England," he told reporters at the Melbourne Cricket Ground where the fourth test starts on Thursday.

"I was desperately hoping to win the Ashes out here again, like we did in 2010-11 but with the Ashes gone now, with those three test matches, personally I think to stay on and selfishly play just to experience another Boxing Day test, Sydney test match would be wrong.</i>

England seem to have lost in both aspects, the ashes urn and self confidence. It has impacted 2 English players, now who is going to be the next victim, remains to be seen.[/i]
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What a match! Excellent performance by both SA and India. I guess the draw was the most deserved result.

One of the best draws I've seen of late.

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Yes, shocking indeed. The Aussies seem to be breaking the English spirit, one player at a time. First Jonathan Trott, now Swann.

England need to bring in Steven Finn if they are to salvage any pride in the remaining two tests. Even James Anderson looks like a shadow of his former self, what with even a debutant like George Bailey packing him off for 28 runs in an over!
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....and another (partial) retirement this year, in the name of Jacques Kallis.
He's retiring from tests and first class games.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another famous cricketer to retire. SA all rounder Jacques Kallis will retire from test cricket after the Durban tests. He will continue to play one dayers till 2015 WC.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/current/story/703801.html

<b>Kallis to quit Tests after Durban</b>

<i>Jacques Kallis, one of the game's greatest allrounders, will retire from Test cricket after the Boxing Day match against India. Kallis announced his decision on Wednesday, on the eve of the second Test against India, but stated that he would still like to play the 2015 World Cup for South Africa.

In a statement, Kallis said: "It wasn't an easy decision, with Australia around the corner and the success this team is enjoying, but I feel the time is right. I don't see it as goodbye, I still have a lot of hunger to push South Africa to that World Cup in 2015 if I am fit and performing. The last two years specifically have been a memorable journey with an exceptional group of cricketers. I am fortunate enough to have ended my Test career amongst a group of talented cricketers but, more importantly, friends whom I will cherish for years to come."</i>

To me, Kallis is the best cricketer of this generation because of his fitness and all round performance with bat and ball in all forms of cricket. He will surely be missed. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kallis is one of the best all-rounders the game has seen. Thankfully he will still be around for a while , as he has not retired from the limited overs formats.

Actually there have been quite a few players going into retirement this year :
Thilan Samaraweera, Graeme Swann, Jonathan Trott, Mike Hussey, Chris Martin, Ray Price, Steve Harmison, Sachin Tendulkar and now Kallis.
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I like his elegant bowling action. In one test some time back, as a part-time bowler, he was bowling at 140kmph, much quicker than the Indian pace bowlers in that match. And somewhat better, too. Der Alte, the old fox. Good cricketer.
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Well it seems Aussies are on their ascendency again. With a possible Ashes whitewash lurking, it won't be long till we see them as a No.1 test team in the world. Smile
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Well it seems Aussies are on their ascendency again. With a possible Ashes whitewash lurking, it won't be long till we see them as a No.1 test team in the world. Smile


I would take that call after they finish touring South Africa early next year. What a cracker of a series that is going to be!

The Aussies are on a roll, but seem to be relying on Mitch Johnson a bit too much for wickets. And as the first innings in the 4th Ashes test showed, their batting can still come apart quite easily when faced with a quality bowling attack. IMHO Steyn, Philander and Morkel are a better bowling attack than Anderson, Broad and Bresnan. The Aussies can expect a good working over in South Africa.

Is there an India tour of Australia on the cards, sometime next year?
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In term of smooth bowling actions, apart from Kallis, I liked Hadlee, and among spinners...Ravi Shastri!
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Is there an India tour of Australia on the cards, sometime next year?


India travels to Australia for 4 tests in December 2014. The test series would be followed by World Cup 2015.
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Is there an India tour of Australia on the cards, sometime next year?


India travels to Australia for 4 tests in December 2014. The test series would be followed by World Cup 2015.
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I would take that call after they finish touring South Africa early next year. What a cracker of a series that is going to be!


Yup. That will be an interesting series but looking at the past Australia has done well in all their previous tours in SA.

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The Aussies are on a roll, but seem to be relying on Mitch Johnson a bit too much for wickets. And as the first innings in the 4th Ashes test showed, their batting can still come apart quite easily when faced with a quality bowling attack. IMHO Steyn, Philander and Morkel are a better bowling attack than Anderson, Broad and Bresnan. The Aussies can expect a good working over in South Africa.


In this case, it is advantage Australia because they have good bench strengths for fast bowlers. If Siddle, Johnson or Harris get injured before the start of SA tour, they have other quality fast bowlers like Pattinson, Faulkner, Hillfenaus, Pat Cummins and Coulternile to fall back on.

Whereas, the main reason for inconsistency from England and SA is that. they have only these fast bowlers who are the best but if they get injured, there is no perfect replacement for them.
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Kudos to Rahane for a really gritty innings. He looks a great prospect for the future. Rohit has just not been able to convert that immense talent to more tangible things. We will lose this test quite badly, but I think we will take away quite a few positives from this tour. Shami being impressive, Ishant getting some of his confidence back, Zak coming back well, and Ashwin and `Sir' Jadeja bowling decently. In the batting, along with Rahane, Kohli and Pujara. Vijay was good even though he is not at his best. Dhawan will benefit from the experience, he has a long way to go to justify his talent.
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Kudos to Rahane for a really gritty innings. He looks a great prospect for the future. Rohit has just not been able to convert that immense talent to more tangible things. We will lose this test quite badly, but I think we will take away quite a few positives from this tour. Shami being impressive, Ishant getting some of his confidence back, Zak coming back well, and Ashwin and `Sir' Jadeja bowling decently. In the batting, along with Rahane, Kohli and Pujara. Vijay was good even though he is not at his best. Dhawan will benefit from the experience, he has a long way to go to justify his talent.
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As its always said, win or lose, we always go back a better team from SA.
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Interesting selections, to start off 2014. It is nice to see Aaron back in action, and hearteningly, in the shorter format, where his fragile body will suffer less wear-and-tear. It should be nice to see him bowling really quick in NZ. I wonder though, why Umesh has been kept for the tests alone, with his slightly dodgy accuracy. Mohit Sharma may find himself unlucky to lose out to the hardworking Ishwar Pandey: I wonder how the latter will fare. I look forward to seeing Shami swinging the old ball and the new, at a more-than-decent pace, and being accurate at the same time as well. Stuart Binny is an interesting choice: with his military medium pace and useful batting, I wonder if he will reach the heights which his papa did. In the early 1980s, Roger Binny and Madan Lal were a force to reckon with as utility medium pace all-rounders. One has to feel for Ojha though, having done nothing wrong, but finding tough competition with Ashwin and `Sir' Jadeja in the side. The windy seaming wickets in NZ should favour the pace team selected, with one of the two spinners completing the bowling team. The batsmen more-or-less pick themselves from the SA tour, but I guess Rohit should be due for something now, he needs to put in a good performance on wickets he is not that used to playing on.
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It is proven that even if you have a weak batting line up, you can still recover in the match by having a good bowling line-up that can take 20 wickets. This is true in test cricket.

Example: the ongoing Ashes series, where Aussie bowlers played a major role in re-kindling the confidence in their batsmen to play strokes, even if they had lost many wickets.

The other example is the recently concluded India vs SA test series. In both matches we had an opportunity to win but our fast bowlers and spinners were not good enough to take 20 wickets. That is why our batsmen played defensive cricket, mainly in the Durban test match.
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Is there an India tour of Australia on the cards, sometime next year?


India travels to Australia for 4 tests in December 2014. The test series would be followed by World Cup 2015.


Prior to which there'll be an India-England-Australia tri-series before the cup.

I fully expect the Indian and Australian team to feature injuries galore heading into the tournament. Fair enough too, it's about time somebody else picked up this trophy for a change.
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. Fair enough too, it's about time somebody else picked up this trophy for a change.



I doubt an India win will happen this time around. In fact, I'd put my dime on the Aussies.

unless the dark horses ie the Lankans, Pakis or the Saffers pull something out of their hat.
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How great it is to see one of the most stylish batsmen in the world to be among the runs again!

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-sri-lanka-2013-14/engine/match/657649.html


Great work, Mahela Jayewardene!
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Great work, Mahela Jayewardene!
Right, Sir: he and Kumara Sangakkara also form a great duo of friends, and are popular among fans too, with their friendly nature and sweet temperament. The latter perhaps true of most Sri Lankans: they fight hard, but are great off the pitch as well. This is one team I have admired for its players and personalities. I remember how Ranatunga unconditionally backed Murali: it would be an amazing feeling for a young bowler at the receiving end of things, to be backed up so well by his captain, at all costs.
On a different note, in this current SL-Pak test, Nuwan Pradeep seems to have lost a bit of pace. At one time, he was rated almost as quick at Malinga.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Goat wrote:
Great work, Mahela Jayewardene!
Right, Sir: he and Kumara Sangakkara also form a great duo of friends, and are popular among fans too, with their friendly nature and sweet temperament. The latter perhaps true of most Sri Lankans: they fight hard, but are great off the pitch as well. This is one team I have admired for its players and personalities. I remember how Ranatunga unconditionally backed Murali: it would be an amazing feeling for a young bowler at the receiving end of things, to be backed up so well by his captain, at all costs.
On a different note, in this current SL-Pak test, Nuwan Pradeep seems to have lost a bit of pace. At one time, he was rated almost as quick at Malinga.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My domestic round-up:
Vijay Zol and Sanju Samson continue to impress. The latter is possibly India's best bet as a keeper-batsman, keeping the future in mind. The others: Rayudu is more of a batsman-keeper, Parthiv Patel's batting is decent, but his keeping is still inferior to many; Dinesh Karthik's enthusiasm is amazing: he has effected many an amazing stumping and taken great catches, his unorthodox batting has been nice, but he is still a shade paler as compared to the extrmeely talented Dhoni, whose overseas batting isn't that awesome, but he is perhaps India's best bet as a captain, given his shrewd cricket sense.
Vikram Rajvir Singh (`VRV'): I wonder how much we should look into his recent good performance for Punjab, on a Mohali green-top. I wonder if he still retains his good pace. Second, what about his accuracy?
Parvez Rasool: a really talented all-rounder from J&K. Should he stick to a weak J&K side and get limited opportunities? (Like the up-and-rising Dhoni once did, but his rise to national fame saw him nucleate a talented side at Jharkhand, at least, he is trying to build it. Saurabh Tiwary is a case in point). He is a decent batsman, and a good off-spinner, as pointed out by the great Bedi himself. Should he limit himself to traditional off-spin, a rarity, a la Swann, or should he be a bit more contemporary, and develop variations as well? There is no denying Bedi's greatness, but he has sometimes been a bit obstinate, and over-bearing (remember his stint as the coach, when Captain Azhar just about said that India did not need a coach? It was that NZ tour, where his over-emphasis on fitness actually worked the other way.) We in South Delhi see the great man at times: for instance, driving through the Hauz Khas market in mornings, in his Pajero.
I wonder what has happened to some upcoming talents such as TN's left-arm spinner Aushik Srinivas, whose 16-old old avatar in debut was praised by many as being superb, in terms of control, flight and dip. It is sad to not even see him as a regular in the TN side.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sumantra wrote:
My domestic round-up:
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Thanks for the round up, sir. Indian cricket has never been short of talent.

A good question, though, is as to how many of these youngsters actually want to play the longer format for the country, given the IPL and its riches.

Do we have a future Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman or even a Bedi among these, for whom the love of the game was everything?
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A good question, though, is as to how many of these youngsters actually want to play the longer format for the country, given the IPL and its riches.
Spot-on, Sir, absolutely true. I still look at it as a cloud with a silver lining, even if it is a small spark. The IPL has also brought talent into the mainstream (even if it is in an arguably hollow slash-bang format, not the true measure of how test cricket should be), and on the mainstream media, on some well-curated grounds and stadia (thanks to the money), which also encourage youngsters to compete, unlike the earlier Ranji matches in dust-bowls, rarely watched by selectors, forget spectators. But yes Sir, your judgement is absolutely correct: the devoted should use this format to rise, and finally show true commitment at the highest level, in the longer format, which by its rigour and level of difficulty and test of real character, is the most desirable, in the long run.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So we're in New Zealand! 5 ODIs and a couple of tests.


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As I type in these lines, India is slowly meandering towards a loss. The NZ batting was nice today, with the dependable Ross Taylor at it, ably supported by Kane Williamson and the exciting Corey Anderson pitching in. Among the Indian bowlers, Shami was his usual exciting self, barring the one over when he got a pasting, he was extremely impressive with his line, length and movement, all at an impressive pace. Bhuvi and Ishant had mixed fortunes. I wonder if it won't be a bad idea to try Varun Aaron, letting him unleash his pace on the wickets suitable for it, with strong winds. Kohli was brilliant, and Dhoni and Dhawan shone in patches. Rohit disappointed once again. I wonder if Pujara might be a better choice even for the shorter format, given his solidity. Rahane was done in by some spectacular fielding. Milne looks an exciting prospect for NZ given his speed, but fast bowlers tend to get injured very quickly, and it would not be too bad an idea to try them out only in the shorter formats.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

India current team ability to bat low.......
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So India is no longer the World's No 1 ODI side, thanks to the trashing at the hands of NZ.

Apart from Virat Kohli, Shami Mohammed none of our million dollar boys have cut it outside India.

Some suggestions from me, feel free to comment.

1. Shikhar Dhawan and Rohit Sharma need to be dropped pronto. The BCCI should pack them off to some English county to learn the art of batting on fast pitches.

2. For the England tour and the subsequent WC campaign, it is probably better to go with experience than young blood. I would wager that bringing back Virender Sehwag and Gautam Gambhir would not be a bad idea.

3. Captain Dhoni needs to step down from at least one format, so he gets some time to improve upon his batting. Virat Kohli should captain India in the up-coming World T20, and either Wriddhiman Saha or Parthiv Patel should keep wickets. Patel, with his attacking batting is a particularly attractive choice.

4. Ishant Sharma should accompany Dhawan and Rohit Sharma on their county jig. Sending Bhuvaneswar Kumar along would also not be a bad idea. These guys need more accuracy and pace, and a season with the counties will do them a lot of good. Of course, this means removing them from the IPL, which won't go down well with anyone.

I wish the BCCI had allowed some of these chaps to play in the Australian season/Big Bash league. It would have helped their game immensely.

My lineup for the World T20 then

Parthiv Patel (WC), Unmukt Chand, Sanju Samson, Virat Kohli (C), Ambati Rayudu/Stuart Binny/Ajinkya Rahane, Manoj Tiwari/Yuvraj Singh, Vinay Kumar, Varun Aaron/Ishwar Pandey, Shami Mohammed, Jaidev Unadkat, Amit Mishra.

and for England/WC

Sehwag/Dhawan, Rohit Sharma/Gambhir, Pujara, Kohli, Dhoni(C/WC), Rahane/Rayudu, Raina, Jadeja, Ishant Sharma, Shami Mohammed, Bhuvaneswar Kumar, Ravi Ashwin, Vinay Kumar/Umesh Yadav, Zaheer Khan.

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Apart from Virat Kohli, Shami Mohammed none of our million dollar boys have cut it outside India.
Sir, please add Dhoni and Rahane to the list. Did you follow the match today closely? Rahane has really been impressive with his temperament, and shot selection. In the last two matches, Dhoni has showed why he is highly rated, at least in the shorter formats. We simply lost to the better team, today. Corey Anderson is a real find for NZ. NZ will obviously be very difficult to beat at home, especially by a team not comfortable in somewhat cold and windy conditions, on their home turf.
I am not sure whether very large-scale changes would be very apt at the moment, even as a knee-jerk reaction. The team is young, inexperienced, and does not have the balance of the earlier One-day or T20 teams.
Saha and Sanju Samson, especially the latter, are perhaps just unfortunate that a `keeper of Dhoni's calibre is around. Both are excellent batsmen, the latter has age on his side, and both are decent keepers as well, a bit unlike Parthiv, or anyone else. Yes, Parthiv is a decent batsman. Unmukt Chand is a talent for the future, again. Rayudu-gAru - is exciting, but a bit untested right now. Manoj Tiwary continues to be a tad unlucky. I am not that hopeful about Jaydev Unadkat: he has neither the pace, nor the movement to really trouble the best. His accuracy is not too bad, though, from the little I have seen. Amit Mishra may be better for the longer format, but he has been a bit off-colour right now. Domestically, a surprise package has been Praveen Tambe, the 42-year old leg-spinner, who has shown some amazing control in the shorter format - but he is only a few matches old, and may not be really a prospect for the future, given his age. I am not too sure about Vinay: at one time, he used to be a very crafty limited overs bowler, with his variations. Personally, I would like to see Pujara also in the shorter formats, even if it is just to lend solidity to the side.
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sumantra wrote:
Sir, please add Dhoni and Rahane to the list. Did you follow the match today closely? Rahane has really been impressive with his temperament, and shot selection. In the last two matches, Dhoni has showed why he is highly rated, at least in the shorter formats.
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Ok I can cut Rahane some slack. He has been very promising.

But Dhoni has been a shadow of his former self. You have to admit that. It has been rather long since he played a captain's winning knock anywhere. Which is why I feel he must stop playing one format.

The World T20 is an excellent opportunity to test the mettle of some of our youngsters against the big sides in a major tournament. It is going to be played in Dhaka, which offers conditions similar to India. Dhoni and the other seniors should sit out of this. Maybe our rookies will even pull it off.

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We simply lost to the better team, today.


It is NZ being a better team than us that is really worrying. Come to think of it, we lost mainly to two blokes - Corey Anderson and Tim Southee.

Face it, at this rate India won't make it beyond the quarter finals in the WC, considering that it is going to be played in Australia.
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