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Poll: Should this forum add/enforce a rule on new threads?

 
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Should Airliners India force rules regarding creation of new threads vs. posting on the existing Master threads? Why?
1. Add a rule limiting creation of new threads and encouraging posts on the existing "Master threads"
35%
 35%  [ 5 ]
2. Keep the current system in place - where it's user's judgement on new thread vs. adding to existing master thread
57%
 57%  [ 8 ]
3. Other suggestion? Add the details to the thread below
7%
 7%  [ 1 ]
Total Votes : 14

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Nimish
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:22 pm    Post subject: Poll: Should this forum add/enforce a rule on new threads? Reply with quote

Background
Currently the rules of the forum do not have any explicit rule/guideline about when to create a new thread vs. add as a post on an existing "master thread".

The mods are comfortable with the current status, however a few members have requested a re-look at this.

Request
Hence this poll - to ask whether we should maintain status quo around new threads, or should we introduce a rule and then start enforcing it?

My thoughts on - Pros of current approach
* Master threads are not good to hold sub-discussions as the content gets lost in the master thread. The only way to effectively hold a long-lasting discussion on a sub-topic is to create a new thread
* Master threads tend to be huge and ultimately if everything were in a master thread, we'd have only say 30-50 threads in total on the forum, since everything could be related back to an existing master threads
* Threads without traction automatically get pushed "under the radar" as other threads maintain traction
* Forces members to use their judgement, instead of mods using our judgement
* Using the "View posts since last visit" feature - users don't have to worry about new thread vs. existing thread - as all changed posts show up anyway

My thoughts on - Pros of adding a rule and enforcing it:
* A few members have expressed a desire for this
* Reduces the overall number of open threads
* Lower number of threads to browse when you're logging in after a few days
* Keeps discussions all together - e.g. everything Jet Airways related would be in one place.
* Avoids duplicate threads - the same thing posted as a new thread and also added as an update on the master thread.

So - bring it on - what do you prefer? If you vote for "Option 1: Add and enforce rule" - please also suggest how you'd like the rule to be worded

Disclaimers:
1. The poll is open for the next 10 days only
2. This will be used as an input to the mods, but does not bind us in any way
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a suggestion which might seem a bit infeasible plus time consuming but here it goes:

1) Allow new posts to be created only by experienced posters. Experience can be determined based on some general rule like registration date or number of posts. Also, this can probably be done manually (albeit time confusing) on a case to case basis. So, essentially have various tiers of members with different set of Rights (Min 2 Tiers)

2) Once a said new member meets a certain pre decided promotion criteria, they would be allowed to post topics. Or, have a "Running In" type Sub-Forum where the Lowest Tier queries are allowed e.g. As done on irfca.org

3) Also, should a member's thread get locked multiple times within a short time frame, the said member can be demoted 1 level down.

I know these rules seem a bit autocratic & restrictive. But personally, when I come to this forum I would love to see discussions being limited to master threads, but then in the past members like Ameya, Ojas, Devesh, Rishul have posted interesting stats/analytics which might not be related to a given airline/geography & hence, might deserve a thread of its own.

Also, this suggestion might increase the work loads of the moderators many fold & I do not know if it would feasible for you'll to take more time out of your schedules to regulate the above points on a periodic basis.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One serious drawback of this approach is that members will be in a rush to reach that threshold. An in their rush they'll post something that is less meaningful. We had seen such a race at the very inception of the forum. Avijeet might recall his 100m dash with KCM. IMHO! We should keep the forum as uncomplicated and apolitical as possible.

... those with different opinion are welcomed to come forward.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

patkini wrote:
Also, this suggestion might increase the work loads of the moderators many fold & I do not know if it would feasible for you'll to take more time out of your schedules to regulate the above points on a periodic basis.


This is the single biggest drawback with your suggestion. It won't be possible with the current set of "best effort" moderators - this will require a commitment on moderation in a proactive and timely manner.

The other challenge is our forum itself might not support this feature.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reminder - for those preferring Option1, a note indicating some suggested guidelines will be useful for us to take into consideration.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can create multiple master threads - airline wise / major airport wise / major events wise

Any news / posts / new flights / cancellations to be discussed in the thread of that airline only so there is continuity. Multiple times we all have observed that
EG :
If I post something in the middle of a discussion and thats not relevant enough, it doesnt stop the discussion, my post is just ignored and then the discussion continues as it, and also vice versa, if the post is more important it would take over the discussion. Offcourse, it doesnt limit discussion multiple things at the same time.

My current observation
1. We all tend to open up a new thread if 9W starts something or cancels something
2. The same does not apply for 6E because they have just started cancelling and we did open a thread for that and additions are captured inside the main thread
3. SG always keeps changing but latest new additions get new thread
4. AI does nothing !

So overall, we can have
9W - Dom / Int
6E , SG , AI - same

BIAL
MIAL
DIAL
AAI airports

Other news related to MoCA / new airports and so on

I am more for consolidating than being all over the place
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thing is I dont think, having posting guidelines will be a good idea.

I am sure, my previous post could then be done in 3 different ones to get more posts on the board thats it !
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted for option B, and not just because I'm a moderator around here.

From what I keep witnessing, every reasonably lengthy discussion on any Indian carrier breaks down into an Air India - Jet Airways - Fleet Procurement - New Destinations - GoI debate in whatever mixture, so realistically what folks voting for option A are asking for, is the presence of just two threads - a primary one to talk about the above, and another for all the rest, the side dishes if you like - Bhutan's airline beginning flights to BOM, for example.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

folks! my take, don't allow us Mods to micromanage the forum. Keep it the way it is. Those that are unpopular, automatically fall down the list.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think we had much need for this discussion before the new member joined a couple of weeks ago. If that's the only problem there is, why not communicate to the member concerned that it would be better if he posted questions/observations in relevant airlines' threads instead of spraying them across the forum index.

I also happen to think the way the forum currently works is quite alright, to be honest. The threads are divided clearly and the idea of running major threads for routine observations and questions about major airlines/airports/entities and smaller new ones for major events (fleet orders, bankruptcy events, new inflight product, major new route etc.) is quite coherent.

As for SpiderGuy's point, I'd be mortified to see threads organised like that. The best part about the current arrangement is it's easy to avoid stuff you're not interested in. I, for one, haven't the slightest interest in discussing which SAARC backwater or hinterland hellhole the likes of SpiceJet, Indigo or GoAir fly their turboprops and narrow-bodies. As a form of travel, I find it so horribly unromantic, trite and unimaginative I'd never have become an enthusiast if these bland blights existed when I was young. So I can avoid the SpiceJet/Indigo threads and stick to the legacy carriers, which interest me. I'm sure there are others who swear by the LCCs and do the opposite. I hope it stays that way.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeh wrote:
I don't think we had much need for this discussion before the new member joined a couple of weeks ago.


Jeh - actually we've had a couple of requests before that as well. Hence this poll to get our member's feedback.

The new member is in some ways acting like a troll, and we're feeding the troll by replying. And IMHO if there's a thread with a couple of replies already, perhaps it's not too bad being on a thread of it's own. And in which is he really a troll Twisted Evil ?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nimish wrote:
The new member is in some ways acting like a troll, and we're feeding the troll by replying. And IMHO if there's a thread with a couple of replies already, perhaps it's not too bad being on a thread of it's own. And in which is he really a troll Twisted Evil ?


Ha! The troll has succeeded in his mission. Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time's up folks. Looks like option B has reigned supreme.
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