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http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/indian-army-to-get-its-own-attack-helicopters-279044

Indian Army to get its own attack helicopters

October 12, 2012

In a move that is likely raise hackles within the Indian Air Force (IAF), the government has decided to allow the Indian Army to acquire its own fleet of attack helicopters.

The decision comes days after IAF chief Air Marshal N A K Browne told reporters on October 5 that it was not possible to have "little air forces". Days later, on October 9, Defence Minister A K Antony, had termed the fight between the IAF and Army over the attack helicopters as a 'family problem'.

National Security Advisor Shiv Shanker Menon had to intervene on behalf of Defence Minister A K Antony in the three year row between the Air Force and the Army over who would own the attack helicopters.

After talking to both Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne and Army Chief General Bikram Singh this week, Mr Menon advised the Government that Army should own and operate the medium lift attack helicopters. The first batch of Apache helicopters to be bought from USA programme may go the Indian Army. Currently, India has two squadrons of attack helicopters, Mi-25 and Mi-35, which are maintained and manned by the Indian Air Force but under the operational control of the Indian Army.

The Indian Army has been for long making a case for having its own fleet of attack helicopters. The Army contends that having its own attack helicopters rather than depending on the IAF would give the land forces more power and reach in tactical situations.

It also argued that having its own attack helicopters is integral to the Cold Start Doctrine - designed to cut down the time taken to mobilise troops. Apart from the three strike Corps, Army has now designated its holding corps as the pivot which can launch offensive defence before strike corps take over. Concerned with enormous time taken to mobilise the strike corps after the 2001 terrorist strike on the Indian Parliament - after which India nearly went to war with Pakistan - the Army revised its deployment and operational plans.

The IAF, however, argues that using attack helicopters without the support of larger air assets like interceptor and attack aircraft would make the slow moving attack helicopters vulnerable. And to ensure that large aircraft are always available to support and sanitise airspace, the attack helicopters should be with the IAF. Also, the IAF contends land forces which are equipped with attack helicopters - like the US - fights wars differently than India.

The IAF had also contended that allowing the Army to own attack helicopter would lead to duplication of assets.

The proposal to arm the Indian Army with attack helicopters was mooted by the former controversial Chief of Army Staff V K Singh as a part of transformation of the Army into a more leaner, meaner and network-centric force. Four exercises held on the western front under Western and South Western Commands in 2011 and 2012 had brought out the need to have attack helicopters as an integral part of the assembled firepower. The proposal was shelved after the relation between the Government and Army Headquarters plummeted following the age row of General V K Singh.
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sabya99 · Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:54 pm Post subject:

Why Indian army asking for its own airforce. Are they short of toys?
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sabya99 · Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:57 pm Post subject:

ssbmat · Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 1710

All stupid ego issues. The truth is that neither force can solely guard or attack the enemy. It will need a combination . And in todays times, swift and deadly responses from the air are even more important than ever before. The army cannot hope to rush into enemy territory , all guns blazing hoping to destroy and conquer. That kind of strategy was defeated long ago even by Shivaji against Mughals !!
The AF needs to be the first choice of attack and rapid destuction before the Army can take any decisive steps.
So all aerial weapon assets should be IMO with the Air Force only. Army can have limited assets in areas of tactical troop mobilization etc.

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sabya99 · Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:40 pm Post subject:

@ The Goat, I agree with you about the availability of aircraft to Navy and Army independently. Modern navy could not function without air supremacy. Anti Sub jobs could not be done without airpower and for invasion of hostile coast line air assault is a must. Also maritime surveillance is an important duty of navy and coast guard.
But for army other than antitank choppers there are no other role of independent air wing nor countries have assigned separated air power dedicated for a attack formation. Besides choppers are technically complicated somewhat clumsy machines. So it better to have choppers under IAF technical control but with army operational control. Each defense wing with its own air force is not an acceptable concept.
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747-237 · Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:35 am Post subject:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/assault-choppers-to-remain-with-iaf-air-chief-marshal-bs-dhanoa/articleshow/57782463.cms

Assault choppers to remain with IAF : Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa

Mar 23, 2017

The Indian Air Force will continue to operate assault choppers and will not transfer its assets to the Army that is also raising a fleet of attack helicopters, Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa has said.

He added that the IAF was looking forward to inducting the Apache attack helicopter, which he described as one of the best in the world, and would continue to support the Army during operational needs.

He made it clear that IAF was not keen on transferring either its new Apache choppers that are to be delivered or the Mi 35/25 already in operation.

“On induction of attack helicopters by the Army, the IAF has maintained that, it has no objection to any internal restructuring within the Army as long as this does not pre-suppose the transfer of assets of the Air Force or impinge on the enunciated role of the IAF.

We will continue operating and maintaining the attack helicopter fleet comprising Mi-25/35, Apache and LCH and will provide all necessary support to the Army,” the Air Chief responded to queries by ET.
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747-237 · Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 1:28 pm Post subject:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/army-wants-its-own-mini-air-force-pitches-for-heavy-duty-attack-helicopters/articleshow/58756733.cms

Army wants its own 'mini Air Force', pitches for heavy-duty attack helicopters

May 20, 2017

The Army has now strongly revived its old quest for a "mini air force" of its own, in a move that has been bitterly opposed by the IAF in the past.

The force wants three squadrons of heavy-duty attack helicopters, among other choppers, for its three primary "strike" corps geared for rapid armoured thrusts into enemy territory.

For starters, the 1.3-million strong Army is seeking the government's approval for acquisition of 11 Apache attack helicopters from the US as "a follow-on contract" to the earlier Rs 13,952 crore deal inked for 22 such choppers for the IAF+ .

"The procurement proposal is likely to be considered by the defence acquisitions council (DAC) in its meeting to be chaired by defence minister Arun Jaitley on Saturday," said a defence ministry source.

The Army is in a hurry because the "50% repeat order option", with the same terms and conditions, can be exercised only till September 28 since the original contract was inked on that date in 2015.

One part of that "hybrid" deal had been inked with Boeing for the choppers, while the other for its weapons, radars and electronic warfare suites was signed with the US government. Apart from the 22 Apaches to be delivered to IAF from July 2019 onwards, the contract also involves acquisition of 812 AGM-114L-3 Hellfire Longbow missiles, 542 AGM-114R-3 Hellfire-II missiles, 245 Stinger Block I-92H missiles and 12 AN/APG-78 fire-control radars.

Even during the procurement process for the 22 Apaches, the Army had demanded their "ownership and control" because helicopter gunships are used as the "air manoeuvre arm" of ground forces to target enemy infantry and tanks the world over.

The Army believes it should have "full command and control" over "tactical air assets" for rapid deployment along with its strike corps, while the IAF should concentrate on its "larger strategic role".

The IAF, in turn, had contended it should retain all attack and medium-lift helicopters because it would be "very expensive" if the Army duplicated efforts and resources by getting its own "little air force".

The then UPA government had ruled that the first 22 Apaches would go to IAF to add to its two existing, but ageing, squadrons of Russian-origin Mi-25/35 attack helicopters. But it also held "future" procurements of attack helicopters would be for the Army, granting "in principle approval" to its case for raising three squadrons (13 choppers each) for the strike formations - 1 Corps (Mathura), 2 Corps (Ambala) and 21 Corps (Bhopal).

"Army Aviation Corps, raised in 1986, has over 250 Chetak/Cheetah light choppers and Dhruv advanced light helicopters. It should also get attack helicopters now since their control by IAF is a sub-optimal arrangement," said a senior officer.

The Army's long-term plans include three helicopter squadrons (armed/attack, reconnaissance and tactical lift) each for all its 14 corps as well as "a flight" of five fixed-wing aircraft each for its six regional or operational commands.
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747-237 · Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:55 am Post subject:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/army-to-get-six-heavy-duty-apache-attack-helicopters/articleshow/60105381.cms

Finally, Army to get six heavy-duty Apache attack helicopters

Aug 17, 2017

The Army will finally get its own heavy-duty attack helicopters after a bitter tussle with the IAF over the last several years. The defence ministry on Thursday cleared the acquisition of six Apache attack helicopters, armed with Hellfire and Stinger missiles, for the Army at a cost of Rs 4,168 crore.

The 1.3-million strong Army had earlier sought the government's approval for acquisition of 11 Apache helicopters from the US as "a follow-on contract" to the Rs 13,952 crore deal inked for 22 such choppers for the IAF in September 2015, as was reported by TOI.

But after stiff opposition from the IAF, the Arun Jaitley-led defence acquisitions council (DAC) on Thursday cleared the Army's whittled down proposal for the six AH-64E Apache helicopters, which are manufactured by Boeing.
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747-237 · Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:51 pm Post subject:

https://thediplomat.com/2018/02/india-moves-forward-with-purchase-of-6-more-apache-ah-64e-attack-helicopters/

India Moves Forward With Purchase of 6 More Apache AH-64E Attack Helicopters

February 28, 2018

The Indian government is reportedly moving ahead with the procurement of six additional Boeing AH-64E Apache heavy attack helicopters from the United States, an Indian government source told local media this month.

The Indian government has purportedly issued a so-called Letter of Request (LOR) to the U.S. government for buying six AH-64E gunships. The LOR is the first official step in the U.S. government-to-government procurement process under the Pentagon’s Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program, overseen by the U.S. Defense Security Cooperation Agency.

“The LoR was issued recently and now the U.S. has to respond with a Letter of Acceptance (LOA) to take the Apache deal forward,” the source told the Hindustan Times. The Defense Acquisition Council, the Indian Ministry of Defense’s principal procurement body, headed by the defense minister, approved the purchase in August 2017. The LOA is expected in the next six months.

The six AH-64E Apache helicopter gunships are reportedly slated for delivery in 2020 after the completion of an initial order placed in 2015 for 22 AH-64Es and 15 CH-47F Chinook heavy-lift helicopters for the Indian Air Force (IAF). The six additional helicopters, however, are intended for service in the Indian Army’s Aviation Corps (AAC).

It is likely that the government-t0-government deal will be concluded relatively quickly.

The AAC is now slated to operate its separate AH-64E helicopter squadron, although it is unlikely that this will subdue interservice rivalry in the long run. In total, the AAC intends to procure 39 AH-64E helicopters divided up into three squadrons stationed along the India-China and India-Pakistan borders to deter armored incursions.
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