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 Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject: Why are our planes going overseas to get overhauled/checked? |
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In context of the recent GAMCO fire, why the heck are our airlines flying their planes all the way there to get thier various checks etc etc??
Do we in india not have the facilities? I dont get it... we are growing so much yet we dont have the facilities to overhaul or whatver our own aircraft?
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: Why are our planes going overseas to get overhauled/chec |
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| deaphen wrote: | In context of the recent GAMCO fire, why the heck are our airlines flying their planes all the way there to get thier various checks etc etc??
Do we in india not have the facilities? I dont get it... we are growing so much yet we dont have the facilities to overhaul or whatver our own aircraft?
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The facilities are probably currently monopolized by AI/IC and 9W. And until those divisions become independent profit making entities, they'll not be too friendly to requests from other airlines.
And this is probably the reason we hear of Boeing and Airbus looking to invest in MRO JVs in India - due to the huge market today and the increased needs in the future. Unfortunately the training/certification of MX engineers might not yet be up to the scales needed (similar problems as local training of pilots). |
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| Those planes at GAMCO were there for IFE (satellite TV) installation, weren't they? |
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Only IC has A320 workshops in india and these arent FAA certified. While these can and are used for mx on owned aircraft, leasors expect their aircraft to be checked by FAA certified workshops like GAMCO.
Which is why even IC's leased A320s have to be sent abroad for checks. Things should change once their workshop becomes FAA certified.
And for gods sake PP should let DN open their workshop as they have been asking. PP hasnt moved despite years having passed, and it is obviously because DN hasnt been able to get as friendly with him and line his pockets as NG does. So NG gets the hangars while DN, the second largest pvt airline in the country doesnt!
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| Quote: | | The facilities are probably currently monopolized by AI/IC and 9W. And until those divisions become independent profit making entities, they'll not be too friendly to requests from other airlines. |
Setting up such a facility needs huge capitals, and as you said they're not too friendly with other airlines for the same the reason is because most of the times theeir hangers are filled with their own aircrafts (they're much much smaller than GAMCO) s they cannot give a commitment to other airlines
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/IA_gets_world-class_stamp/articleshow/1935994.cms
IA jet engine shop gets world-class stampShobha John
[22 Apr, 2007 l 0044 hrs ISTlTIMES NEWS NETWORK]
NEW DELHI: Last year, Indian Airlines was in the news for having many planes grounded due to lack of engines. Things have looked up since. Federal Aviation Authority, the top regulatory body in the US, recently gave certification to its Jet Engine Overhaul Centre (JEOC) in Delhi. IA is the only other Indian airline, besides AI, to own a jet engine workshop.
Spread over 1.4 lakh sq feet, it was set up in 1991 by GE for some $20 million. At any given time, some 13-14 jet engines are being refurbished; a major overhaul can take three to four months. Some 730 engines have been repaired till now.
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New airport in Hyderabad to get MRO facility
GMR Hyderabad International Airport Ltd, (GHIAL) Thursday signed a lease agreement with Indian Airlines Ltd for setting up maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) facility in the upcoming Rajiv Gandhi International Airport near here.
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Aircraft maintenance and repair set to become business
Mega deals with foreign interests to serve expanding fleets
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In the past, maintenance work meant short-term unforeseen repairs, but the focus today is on scheduled maintenance.
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I think IT had their A320 in GAMCO for Installation of their IFE.Which GAMCO has approval for.
All other Mx is done locally,unless it is specialised stuff.
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| Quote: | | Lufthansa Technik to set up MRO facility in Hyd |
Wasn't this supposed to be a JV with AI and after the two recent incidents at DEL of a AI 310 and 767, the LH Technik folks said they were going to think about it or something as that type ?
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| the_380 wrote: | | Quote: | | Lufthansa Technik to set up MRO facility in Hyd |
Wasn't this supposed to be a JV with AI and after the two recent incidents at DEL of a AI 310 and 767, the LH Technik folks said they were going to think about it or something as that type ? |
Are you sure their rethink was related to the AI incidents 
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Because their idea of giving it a second thought came immediately after that, and im saying this from what i can recollect Kcm mentioning in that AI A310 NLG Collapse incident's thread
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| the_380 wrote: | | Because their idea of giving it a second thought came immediately after that, and im saying this from what i can recollect Kcm mentioning in that AI A310 NLG Collapse incident's thread |
Wasn't the NLG Collapse GSD & Mx related.
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Thats what Im stating.The reason being the Attitite of the Departmental staff rather than the NLG incident.
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Am missing the point here....
Do our planes go abroad becase we do not have the requisite facilities or because we the owners or lessors want to ensure the FOREIGN checks are of much better standards and levels.
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| JumboJet wrote: | Am missing the point here....
Do our planes go abroad becase we do not have the requisite facilities or because we the owners or lessors want to ensure the FOREIGN checks are of much better standards and levels. |
The Engineers from AI and IA can't be bothered to get off their arse and earn their wage hence the aircrafts end up in MROs abroad. They have sufficient number of engineers and facilities within the country to maintain not only the state owned but also the pvt airlines. Its a huge nexus, DGCA has a vested interest in these too. Apparently 2 DGCA inspectors accompany these aircrafts for the duration of the checks......jolly for all.
Lets hope there is an improvement in the countries maint stds before a fatal accident warrants big time KICKArse, pray it doesn't happen, i hope the aviation industry in India doesn't end up with the same reputation as Indonesia's. |
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| JumboJet wrote: | Am missing the point here....
Do our planes go abroad becase we do not have the requisite facilities or because we the owners or lessors want to ensure the FOREIGN checks are of much better standards and levels. |
I believe the Abroad checks are done if the operators Mx does not have the Approval to conduct the job.It could be certain specialised ones too.
Regular Mx is another issue.However many pvt operators do not have the Qualification & Infrastructure for check D.
Operators find it cheaper to outsource.
AI & IC have the capability.
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I believe the Abroad checks are done if the operators Mx does not have the Approval to conduct the job.It could be certain specialised ones too.
Regular Mx is another issue.However many pvt operators do not have the Qualification & Infrastructure for check D.
Operators find it cheaper to outsource.
AI & IC have the capability.
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Good post.... the most important reason here is that ALL the private carriers only want PROFITS... that is why in the first place they are looking for more experienced pilots than junior pilots whom they have to train. Similarly in the case of maintenance, its better to shed off some dollars for a maintenance contract with a company like GAMCO or LH Technik than to build up your own MRO. No airline wants to invest in that. most private airlines out here have this attitude
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Good post.... the most important reason here is that ALL the private carriers only want PROFITS... |
Well since you capitalized it, I certainly hope ALL airlines want a profit.
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that is why in the first place they are looking for more experienced pilots than junior pilots whom they have to train. Similarly in the case of maintenance, its better to shed off some dollars for a maintenance contract with a company like GAMCO or LH Technik than to build up your own MRO. No airline wants to invest in that. most private airlines out here have this attitude |
Everything else being equal, most airlines would rather hire an experienced pilot than an inexperienced one. Makes sense doesnt it?
Come on what a comment- what do you mean no airline wants to invest in that? When the airlines have a small fleet (most private airlines) it might make sense to outsource the maintenance. But when the airlines become big enough, they most certainly will want to do their own maintenance.
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| the_380 wrote: | | HAWK21M wrote: |
I believe the Abroad checks are done if the operators Mx does not have the Approval to conduct the job.It could be certain specialised ones too.
Regular Mx is another issue.However many pvt operators do not have the Qualification & Infrastructure for check D.
Operators find it cheaper to outsource.
AI & IC have the capability.
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Good post.... the most important reason here is that ALL the private carriers only want PROFITS... that is why in the first place they are looking for more experienced pilots than junior pilots whom they have to train. Similarly in the case of maintenance, its better to shed off some dollars for a maintenance contract with a company like GAMCO or LH Technik than to build up your own MRO. No airline wants to invest in that. most private airlines out here have this attitude |
Off course All Airlines want profits.No one will run a business for a loss.
When it proves cheaper not to outsource.They will stop.
To stay in this business one has to earn money.
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| stealthpilot wrote: | Everything else being equal, most airlines would rather hire an experienced pilot than an inexperienced one. Makes sense doesnt it?
Come on what a comment- what do you mean no airline wants to invest in that? When the airlines have a small fleet (most private airlines) it might make sense to outsource the maintenance. But when the airlines become big enough, they most certainly will want to do their own maintenance. |
If all airlines go on taking only experienced pilots that means only airlines like AI and IC take young and junior ones and train them ?
With a fleet of 30+ A320s, ATRs and 20x wide bodies (5x A330, A340, A350, A380) don't you think IT's fleet is quite 'big enough' ? So why isn't Mr. Vijay Mallya thinking of investing in something like Kingfisher Engineering ?
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VJM is a buisnessman.He will do whats needed at the time to ensure porfits.If an Authorisation for AMEs can get his work done why get endorsements.
Its as per requirement,balanced with Profits.
Wish I could say more about IT
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Kingfisher, SpiceJet, Indigo and AI/IC have flight cadet programs. I think Kingfisher and spicejet sends its cadets to USA, and Indigo to Canada for CPL training. It seems that the trng abroad in USA/Canada costs close to 40 lakhs for each student. The cadets are expected to foot the bill for the training, and on successful completion, they are offered job with the airlines. After completing a certain number of years with that airlines, the airline will pay back their training costs. AI/IC trains it cadets at the rashtriya udyan academy, the govt run school.
There is a indian pilots forum whose address i forgot. you can get more info on the programs there. |
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That is still there..but offer 20 trained pilots of A320 to an airline they'll be ready to gulp them at a higher cost than taking 10 young boys and girls and training them...
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Training people takes time, and even after training them, they can just be second officers. The captain needs to be an experienced person with atleast 500 hours as PIC under his belt and more than 1000 hours on the type of aircraft he will be flying. Till very recently, airlines could recruit only captains and not FOs. Even if you get 500 freshers today, they will still have a long way to go before getting enough experience to becoming captains. The airlines know this, and they also know that in the long run, they can't rely on contract pilots whose contracts are extended an year at time. Hence their cadet programs. It is a good start, and 4-5 years down the line, we will have a good number of Indians manning the flight deck.
With airlines expanding rapidly and utilizing their aircraft 12-15 hours each day, the demand for experienced pilots will go up. |
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| blrsea wrote: | | Till very recently, airlines could recruit only captains and not FOs. . |
I presume you mean Expat F/Os.
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| the_380 wrote: | | That is still there..but offer 20 trained pilots of A320 to an airline they'll be ready to gulp them at a higher cost than taking 10 young boys and girls and training them... |
A380 - I'm missing the point of your post quoted above  Are you suggesting that such an airline is doing the wrong thing? |
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| HAWK21M wrote: | | JumboJet wrote: | Am missing the point here....
Do our planes go abroad becase we do not have the requisite facilities or because we the owners or lessors want to ensure the FOREIGN checks are of much better standards and levels. |
I believe the Abroad checks are done if the operators Mx does not have the Approval to conduct the job.It could be certain specialised ones too.
Regular Mx is another issue.However many pvt operators do not have the Qualification & Infrastructure for check D.
Operators find it cheaper to outsource.
AI & IC have the capability.
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What is D check? |
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A380 - I'm missing the point of your post quoted above Are you suggesting that such an airline is doing the wrong thing? |
My basic message is that if every airline is competing each other than even they SHOULD tak the responsibility of training junior pilots and Mx staff...not just look to pay more and take them from other airlines.
If you remember Goyal had filed a case against IT for this
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| the_380 wrote: | | My basic message is that if every airline is competing each other than even they SHOULD tak the responsibility of training junior pilots and Mx staff...not just look to pay more and take them from other airlines. |
380 - airlines are commercial bodies set up to make a profit based on a business model. Some airlines will have a business model that involves setting up everything from scratch. Some others will have a business model that involves hiring from the field. Both models are legal and valid.
Taking the example further, should all airlines make their own aircraft? Or cook the food served on board? No.
And in the same way, there's no way to say each airline "SHOULD" take the responsibility to train junior pilots and MX staff. They need to define and follow their business plan.
Ultimately if they don't train from ground up, then they don't get the benefit of cheap/bonded labour. They pay the price for their decision.
In a market driven economy, someone else will crop up whose core competence/business model will be to train freshers. that's happening right now where hundreds of Indian students are putting down chunks of money to learn flying at schools overseas. And IT has also joined the bandwagon by tying up with some "Sabena" training academy for pilots. |
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I presume you mean Expat F/Os.
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Yup, I meant expat FOs. Even now, I am not sure whether airlines can recruit expat FOs for jets. AFAIK, it was relaxed for turbo-props only. They might have relaxed it for jets too now. |
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Nimish incase you are not aware, Jet Airways won the case against Kingfisher Airlines on the ground that Kingfisher Airlines had made a mistake... if ur statement was correct then Goyal wouldn't have won...
i guess thats enough to make you understand that there is a lot of difference between taking pilots and training them and cooking your food on board...
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Check D is one of the Larger,Longer duration Maintenance check.Depending on the Type Aircraft & Catergory Approval Maintenance system followed,its approx 16,000 hrs.
Takes approx 2-3 months to accomplish depending on Man-hrs utilised.
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| the_380 wrote: | Nimish incase you are not aware, Jet Airways won the case against Kingfisher Airlines on the ground that Kingfisher Airlines had made a mistake... if ur statement was correct then Goyal wouldn't have won...
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Can you point me to the case, I'm pretty sure that must have been a contract or a DGCA ruling that was violated. I'd be interested to find out the details. And if that's the case, then how are airlines still poaching staff? |
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| Quote: | | Can you point me to the case, I'm pretty sure that must have been a contract or a DGCA ruling that was violated. I'd be interested to find out the details. And if that's the case, then how are airlines still poaching staff? |
No more taking place... thats why they have come out with various Cadet programs (im referring to IT and newbies NOT Jet)
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| the_380 wrote: | | Quote: | | Can you point me to the case, I'm pretty sure that must have been a contract or a DGCA ruling that was violated. I'd be interested to find out the details. And if that's the case, then how are airlines still poaching staff? |
No more taking place... thats why they have come out with various Cadet programs (im referring to IT and newbies NOT Jet) |
It also depends on the Airline that the staff are quitting from.If all their training dues/bond payements are fullfilled.The old Airline has no objection to them joining the New one.
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Contract period isn't there for MOST pilots and Engg...except if the engg are retired ones from AI or IC....
When IT entered the market, it started taking engg/pilots from where ever it could get
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| the_380 wrote: | | Nimish incase you are not aware, Jet Airways won the case against Kingfisher Airlines on the ground that Kingfisher Airlines had made a mistake... if ur statement was correct then Goyal wouldn't have won... |
That was a case of so called ‘poaching’ jet airways pilots.
There’s nothing wrong in hiring experienced pilots. If airlines want to hire pilots who already hold a type rating so what? Now if Kingfisher bribed Jet Airways pilots and made those pilots break their contract with Jet Airways then of course they would lose.
As with most airlines nowadays in India, when a junior pilot joins an airline he has to sign a bond saying ‘I will work with this airline for so long’ blah blah. Then he can’t leave and the airline could file a case against the other 'poaching' airline.
If there was no such agreement and an airline chose to hire an experienced pilot vs. someone who was not trained so what?
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When IT entered the market, it started taking engg/pilots from where ever it could get |
Ok, and if they held carrots in front of those jet pilots and jet switched over big deal. Jet can fuss all they want but unless their pilots broke a contract of some sort I don’t see anything legally wrong with it.
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The Hireing company is willing to compensate the Staff financially if they are quitting before contract completion if the demand is high.
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| stealthpilot wrote: |
That was a case of so called ‘poaching’ jet airways pilots.
There’s nothing wrong in hiring experienced pilots. If airlines want to hire pilots who already hold a type rating so what? Now if Kingfisher bribed Jet Airways pilots and made those pilots break their contract with Jet Airways then of course they would lose.
As with most airlines nowadays in India, when a junior pilot joins an airline he has to sign a bond saying ‘I will work with this airline for so long’ blah blah. Then he can’t leave and the airline could file a case against the other 'poaching' airline.
If there was no such agreement and an airline chose to hire an experienced pilot vs. someone who was not trained so what?
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What about the expenses that 9W has paid for training these pilots ??? IT takes them for free...without any "investment" ?
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