Airliners-India.com Flickr Group & Facebook    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Finally, Air India on single code - AI. Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3          Airliners-India.com Forum Index -> Civil Aviation View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Spiderguy252 Member Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 4259 Location: Indian Ocean Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:18 pm    Post subject: madnish30 wrote: They will be the first Indian carrier to officially join a major alliance, be sure about that. Incorrect. That will go to Kingfisher, if it hasn't already. _________________ Yeah. Back to top madnish30 Member Joined: 14 Jun 2010 Posts: 152 Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:55 pm    Post subject: REMOVED. _________________ I Love Air India, forever. Last edited by madnish30 on Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:36 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:22 pm    Post subject: madnish30 wrote: Spiderguy252 wrote: madnish30 wrote: They will be the first Indian carrier to officially join a major alliance, be sure about that. Incorrect. That will go to Kingfisher, if it hasn't already. They haven't and they won't be the first, let's wait and watch rather than make assumptions. This will certainly be a race to watch, and I will try and make sure I fly at least once on the first to join an alliance! Being gold on *A and Kingfisher should hopefully mean I can choose either going forward. _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top Jaysit Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346 Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:36 pm    Post subject: That website is still crap for too many reasons to enunciate. Back to top madnish30 Member Joined: 14 Jun 2010 Posts: 152 Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:12 pm    Post subject: REMOVED. _________________ I Love Air India, forever. Last edited by madnish30 on Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:35 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:16 pm    Post subject: Jaysit wrote: That website is still crap for too many reasons to enunciate. A perfectly crap website for a perfectly crap airline. Horses for courses. _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top madnish30 Member Joined: 14 Jun 2010 Posts: 152 Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:39 pm    Post subject: REMOVED. _________________ I Love Air India, forever. Last edited by madnish30 on Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:35 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top Jaysit Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346 Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:39 am    Post subject: madnish30 wrote: jasepl wrote: Jaysit wrote: That website is still crap for too many reasons to enunciate. A perfectly crap website for a perfectly crap airline. Horses for courses. Who is the "horse" here, is certainly debatable. Perhaps, but there's no debate about who the horse's arse is. Back to top madnish30 Member Joined: 14 Jun 2010 Posts: 152 Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:22 pm    Post subject: Jaysit wrote: madnish30 wrote: jasepl wrote: Jaysit wrote: That website is still crap for too many reasons to enunciate. A perfectly crap website for a perfectly crap airline. Horses for courses. Who is the "horse" here, is certainly debatable. Perhaps, but there's no debate about who the horse's arse is. You got that correct ! No need to guess that either ! _________________ I Love Air India, forever. Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:45 am    Post subject: Don't really know whats wrong with the website, but i'm unable to book flights from AMD to YYZ or JFK, (just checking) These are the errors.. my biggest complaint with AI (even if u ignore their pathetic ground service) will be this This is all they have to offer, and I couldn't find a section for the english movies they had to offer, or there wern't any to be offered, they also had about 20 odd soaps, most of whom I hadn"t heard off, and the movies havn't been updated since September or even before that..so thats that... Compare that to this, managed to count 50+ movies, most of whom were updated a week ago (well informed via FaceBook), add to that news feeds, games, communicator.. Fairly clear as to who is the better as far as in flight products are concerned. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top madnish30 Member Joined: 14 Jun 2010 Posts: 152 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:52 am    Post subject: me11........ The AMD-YYZ and AMD-JFK will be avail via DEL right ? So you have to search on multi city option. I know it's not the best for people who are not well versed with where AI's routes. But ATM, I have found that AI's IT agency ( SITA ) only shows direct flights on a return search whereas connections via multi-city.. which can improve indeed... Oh and IFE has much more, especially on the T7s ( and has been updated post September ! - many times ! ), but yep.. they may not have sync'd what's onboard with their webpage. _________________ I Love Air India, forever. Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:04 am    Post subject: Quote: Oh and IFE has much more, especially on the T7s ( and has been updated post September ! - many times ! ), but yep.. they may not have sync'd what's onboard with their webpage. This was the international entertainment section page I was looking at! 777's included, infact 777's only, and I hope they have sync'd the page since then, coz I in Sep my grand parents flew to YYZ on AI, and these exact movies were listed then. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top madnish30 Member Joined: 14 Jun 2010 Posts: 152 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:09 am    Post subject: me111993 wrote: Quote: Oh and IFE has much more, especially on the T7s ( and has been updated post September ! - many times ! ), but yep.. they may not have sync'd what's onboard with their webpage. This was the international entertainment section page I was looking at! 777's included, infact 777's only, and I hope they have sync'd the page since then, coz I in Sep my grand parents flew to YYZ on AI, and these exact movies were listed then. Hmm, they might not have changed/updated the page since September.. but AFAIK new media is added regularly to the IFEs. Indeed AI could get better in all aspects, but when the carrier is facing so many issues, these small things such as syncing a media page online with the reality goes unnoticed.. AFA the AMD-YYZ booking is concerned.. that they should definitely re-do and provide connections on their flights to DEL ( or whatever in each person's case !). _________________ I Love Air India, forever. Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:11 am    Post subject: me111993 wrote: This is all they have to offer, and I couldn't find a section for the english movies they had to offer, or there wern't any to be offered, they also had about 20 odd soaps, most of whom I hadn"t heard off, and the movies havn't been updated since September or even before that..so thats that... Compare that to this, Oh please. Jet's IFE selection is dismal at best, also featuring shows and movies that no one has heard of. _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top madnish30 Member Joined: 14 Jun 2010 Posts: 152 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:27 am    Post subject: jasepl wrote: me111993 wrote: This is all they have to offer, and I couldn't find a section for the english movies they had to offer, or there wern't any to be offered, they also had about 20 odd soaps, most of whom I hadn"t heard off, and the movies havn't been updated since September or even before that..so thats that... Compare that to this, Oh please. Jet's IFE selection is dismal at best, also featuring shows and movies that no one has heard of. I guess he meant syncing the content onboard with the website.. and not the content itself. _________________ I Love Air India, forever. Back to top avbuff Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:28 am    Post subject: When comparing to the Tier 1 airlines in the world (not even comparing SQ and EK) AI, 9W, IT IFE is abysmal to say the least. Most of 9W show and movies are outdated and the episodes of all TV shows old. AI and IT are nothing much to talk about either. Having said that IT is going for a major overhaul of it's inflight product and is due for announcement soon. the IFE will get a HUGE makeover and will compete with the top carriers of the world. 9W, AI do not have such plans at the moment. Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:30 am    Post subject: avbuff wrote: When comparing to the Tier 1 airlines in the world (not even comparing SQ and EK) AI, 9W, IT IFE is abysmal to say the least. Most of 9W show and movies are outdated and the episodes of all TV shows old. AI and IT are nothing much to talk about either. Having said that IT is going for a major overhaul of it's inflight product and is due for announcement soon. the IFE will get a HUGE makeover and will compete with the top carriers of the world. 9W, AI do not have such plans at the moment. Agreed. Jet's IFE hardware is amongst the best I've encountered - both in responsiveness and the size of the screen (at least in J). Too bad the content is crap. _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top madnish30 Member Joined: 14 Jun 2010 Posts: 152 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:30 am    Post subject: avbuff wrote: When comparing to the Tier 1 airlines in the world (not even comparing SQ and EK) AI, 9W, IT IFE is abysmal to say the least. Most of 9W show and movies are outdated and the episodes of all TV shows old. AI and IT are nothing much to talk about either. Having said that IT is going for a major overhaul of it's inflight product and is due for announcement soon. the IFE will get a HUGE makeover and will compete with the top carriers of the world. 9W, AI do not have such plans at the moment. IT's IFE on their A330s was nothing compared to the AI's 777s, but yes the overhaul if it goes the way you say it has to.. will make it better. Don't think AI will do all this anytime soon, they have other issues to deal with.. atleast nothing on IFE till their 787s arrive IMO. _________________ I Love Air India, forever. Back to top Spiderguy252 Member Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 4259 Location: Indian Ocean Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:59 pm    Post subject: On their short 737 hops, Jet's IFE aces all it's competitors on the route, save for the EKs and the SQs. How many airlines offer you IFE on a short 3-4 hour hop in Y on a narrow-body? Or a widebody, as is the case with numerous TG flights to and from BKK and India? Cases in point, Qatar's 32S fleet is largely without PTVs as of today. Ditto with WY, MH, GF, KU (they don't work), SV, EY and the various LCCs. Jet's real IFE competition in the short haul at least seems to be with AI and IT, not these so called carriers of glamour. Maybe long haul is different story. I've never personally flown 9W/IT to Europe or the States but the 330s and 9W's 77Ws seem to be equipped with a decent selection of programs, from what I keep reading. Which should be enough for the 7-9 hour flights which they operate. Surely nothing to whine about, there's much worse in the market. Anyway, IFE is the least of any airline's worries. Few choose airlines based on entertainment options, or we'd have seen the Lufthansas of the world tank. _________________ Yeah. Back to top madnish30 Member Joined: 14 Jun 2010 Posts: 152 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:09 pm    Post subject: Spiderguy252 wrote: On their short 737 hops, Jet's IFE aces all it's competitors on the route, save for the EKs and the SQs. How many airlines offer you IFE on a short 3-4 hour hop in Y on a narrow-body? I believe AI offers IFE ( and a good one ) onboard it's A321 and majority of it's A320s. Not sure about the A319s. And not sure about IX ( but it being a LCC doesn't really need IFE ). Whereas 9W does not offer IFE onboard it's A/C which are termed as "Konnect" or something like that, I'm sure you remember SM complaining about his BOM-CMB flights not having IFE and few more such flights which don't get the a/c's with IFE onboard, not even on J ( SM flys J mostly ). And with the latest mix of 9W colors on S2 aircarfts or something like that, it's probably even more likely that once may end up on a a/c without any IFE. Also like AI's and IT's ATRs ( and CRJs too in AI's case ) there are no IFEs on 9W's ATRs which do do short "hops", but then I don't think any ATRs or CRJs in the world have IFEs. And yes, you are right, nobody especially in India chooses a carrier/flight based on IFE selection. But, if you remember in India IT gained popularity and the "5 star status" cuz people had the general image of a "TV on the plane" along with the good looking FAs. _________________ I Love Air India, forever. Back to top Spiderguy252 Member Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 4259 Location: Indian Ocean Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:17 pm    Post subject: madnish30 wrote: I believe AI offers IFE ( and a good one ) onboard it's A321 and majority of it's A320s. Not sure about the A319s. AI's IFE on their A319s is the same as on the A321s and the 4 new A320s. I maintain that it's enough for the runs they fly and the competitors they go head on against, but it's still inferior to 9W's and is rarely ever updated. madnish30 wrote: Whereas 9W does not offer IFE onboard it's A/C which are termed as "Konnect" or something like that, I'm sure you remember SM complaining about his BOM-CMB flights not having IFE and few more such flights which don't get the a/c's with IFE onboard, not even on J ( SM flys J mostly ). And with the latest mix of 9W colors on S2 aircarfts or something like that, it's probably even more likely that once may end up on a a/c without any IFE. True. 9W's fleet seems to be a salad at present, and chances of IFE on-board go up in the air. madnish30 wrote: Also like AI's and IT's ATRs ( and CRJs too in AI's case ) there are no IFEs on 9W's ATRs which do do short "hops", but then I don't think any ATRs or CRJs in the world have IFEs. Wrong with that bit. _________________ Yeah. Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:47 pm    Post subject: Even though 9W doesn't advertise it that way, a lot of their most popular flights have unchanged flight numbers since their origin, and these flight numbers themselves do a huge bit of advertising, 9W 301/302 for eg., very popular flights as far as the BOM-DEL route is concerned, here, in AMD, 9W 323 was fairly popular too and about 15 years old, but that flight had to be converted to an S2 operation, and the flight is now S2 323; the thing is; any of these "popular" flights which operate inter-metro routed "ALWAYS" have IFE enabled a/c's, and these are the flights which carry most premium traffic, in AI's case, what i've noticed is that a lot of these a/c's fly routes like DEL-BBI/IXR; zero premium traffic, and I've been explained before that these flights are extensions to the BOM-DEL flights, which I find even more stupid! BOM-DEL-IXR!!! What sort of a routing is that???!?? BOM-DEL-IXC i understand, DEL-BOM-GOI i understand, but BOM-DEL-IXR is like JNB-SYD-BOM! Secondly, BOM/DEL-CMB//MAA-CMB (the red-eye)/MAA-DXB/COK-SHJ are the "only" 9W international short hauls without iFE, rest "all" have IFE, even CCU-DAC (45 mins??)! Thirdly, 9W is in the process of interior standardization, if you happen to look at new pics of aircrafts as old as VT-JNB (the entire VT-JN*, VT-JG*, VT-JB* series follows!), you'll notice that they have the new rexine seats, no IFE though, so for a couple of years, things will be messed up, even with this S2-9W thing, once S2 is 9W-K, the operational flexibility will be incredible. About IFE on AI's A321's, in my personal experience, they have 7 channels, which are never syncd according to the flight time, for instance, while you're boarding the two movie channels are already half way through the movie, effectively killing them, but my experience is limited to 3 flights. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top Spiderguy252 Member Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 4259 Location: Indian Ocean Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:01 pm    Post subject: me111993 wrote: BOM-DEL-IXR!!! What sort of a routing is that???!? Believe me, there have been worse with that airline. Both domestically and internationally. DEL-JAI-UDR-IXU-BOM DEL-GWL-BHO-IDR-BOM BOM-MAA-SIN-CVG-PER DEL-LKO-PAT-IXR-CCU MAA-TRZ-CCJ-RAK-KWI BOM-DEL-BKK-ICN MAA-BLR-HYD-BKK CCU-BBI-VTZ-MAA BOM-DEL-HKG-KIX BOM-NAG-AMD-SHJ I could go on, but you get my drift. _________________ Yeah. Back to top Jaysit Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:19 pm    Post subject: I can't speak for 9W or IT's IFE, but from glancing at 9W's offerings on their website, it doesn't look that bad (can't speak for the Bollywood selection). 9W isn't EK or SQ, but then what is? Even QR pales in comparison to the latter, in my opinion. Back to top Spiderguy252 Member Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 4259 Location: Indian Ocean Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:29 pm    Post subject: Regarding 9W's supposed "poor IFE", we've had many a discussion before. I recollect this thread off the top of my head: http://airlinersindia.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=9341&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc _________________ Yeah. Back to top madnish30 Member Joined: 14 Jun 2010 Posts: 152 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:26 pm    Post subject: Spiderguy252 wrote: AI's IFE on their A319s is the same as on the A321s and the 4 new A320s. I maintain that it's enough for the runs they fly and the competitors they go head on against, but it's still inferior to 9W's and is rarely ever updated. Wrong with that bit. Well, AI's IFE is updated, atleast was the last time I traveled. Din't know about the A319s. And I'm guessing all their A320s ( except the 2-3 in IC colors - the Double bogies ) do have IFE. Well, thanks for the ATR part, din't know that either. What carrier is that ? The color looks IT red. No point discussing, it's not relevant when a PAX is making a choice. _________________ I Love Air India, forever. Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:32 pm    Post subject: only 4 A320's have IFE man, few of the initial A319's dont have IFE either. And yeah, since we were discussing IT/AI/9W and had pretty well established that AI's and 9W's regional airliners don't have IFE, that ATR belongs to IT! _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top Spiderguy252 Member Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 4259 Location: Indian Ocean Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:34 pm    Post subject: madnish30 wrote: Well, thanks for the ATR part, din't know that either. What carrier is that ? The color looks IT red. Kingfisher Red, yes. me111993 wrote: only 4 A320's have IFE man, few of the initial A319's dont have IFE either. That is true, those A319s are VT-SCA through VT-SCF and are all in the interim 'Indian' livery. And there are more than 2-3 double bogie A320s in the fleet I'm sure. All of them are devoid of any form of IFE as well. _________________ Yeah. Last edited by Spiderguy252 on Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:34 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top madnish30 Member Joined: 14 Jun 2010 Posts: 152 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:34 pm    Post subject: me111993 wrote: only 4 A320's have IFE man, few of the initial A319's dont have IFE either. And yeah, since we were discussing IT/AI/9W and had pretty well established that AI's and 9W's regional airliners don't have IFE, that ATR belongs to IT! Hmm, will check about the A320s I believe you, but still will check As I said earlier IT has to live up the expectation of the common PAX onboard of a "TV on plane" and a hot FA. otherwise they won't trust VJM the next time he asks them to fly IT. _________________ I Love Air India, forever. Back to top AirIndia0001 Member Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 391 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:43 pm    Post subject: me111993 wrote: in AI's case ... flights are extensions to the BOM-DEL flights, which I find even more stupid! BOM-DEL-IXR!!! What sort of a routing is that???!?? BOM-DEL-IXC i understand, DEL-BOM-GOI i understand, but BOM-DEL-IXR is like JNB-SYD-BOM! The same way as 6E (for example sake) operates ... 6E-135 DEL-NAG-PNQ 6E-136 CCU-AMD-PNQ 6E-142 BLR-DEL-LKO 6E-155 AMD-BLR-CCU 6E-178 BOM-DEL-PAT 6E-184 BOM-DEL-LKO 6E-191 DEL-BOM-MAA 6E-207 BOM-JAI-CCU 6E-238 CCU-JAI-AMD 6E-258 HYD-BBI-DEL 6E-275 CCU-MAA-BLR 6E-341 BLR-CCU-PAT-LKO 6E-418 NAG-BOM-GOI .. and so on... Spiderguy252 wrote: Believe me, there have been worse with that airline. Both domestically and internationally. DEL-JAI-UDR-IXU-BOM DEL-GWL-BHO-IDR-BOM DEL-LKO-PAT-IXR-CCU CCU-BBI-VTZ-MAA ... I could go on, but you get my drift. I think it's beyond some to understand that those iconic domestic flights were for connecting Tier II cities with the four Metros as also to connect them with each other. They were never used to fly passengers between Metro cities. Just as 6E (again, for example sake) flies these 'same-flight-number' gems in the current era.. 6E-135 DEL-NAG-PNQ-AMD-CCU 6E-155 DEL-AMD-BLR-CCU 6E-238 CCU-JAI-AMD-MAA 6E-258 BOM-HYD-BBI-DEL 6E-275 CCU-MAA-BLR-DEL 6E-342 BOM-LKO-PAT-CCU-BLR one and the same thing... but IC will be labelled as 'a joke' and for others it will be 'Positioning Flights' Back to top madnish30 Member Joined: 14 Jun 2010 Posts: 152 Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:17 am    Post subject: Good question, AI1 _________________ I Love Air India, forever. Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:12 am    Post subject: Quote: one and the same thing... but IC will be labelled as 'a joke' and for others it will be 'Positioning Flights' Are you really comparing Indian Airlines with Indigo?? Because IC is supposed to be a FSC while 6E is an LCC, and LCC's, as you might be fully aware of, don't have premium passengers, don't have FFP's, etc, all they're concerned about is filling up their planes, and Indigo, with LF's of 93% sure are doing one hell of a job at it; IC otoh, with LF's in the upper 60's isn't really. You might also find Jet Konnect or Kingfisher Red operate the occasional milk run routings, but never their mainline counterparts! Quote: that those iconic domestic flights were for connecting Tier II cities with the four Metros as also to connect them with each other. They were never used to fly passenger between Metro cities. Correct concept, really did make sense in 1990, not so much right now. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top AirIndia0001 Member Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 391 Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:18 pm    Post subject: me111993 wrote: Are you really comparing Indian Airlines with Indigo?? Because IC is supposed to be a FSC while 6E is an LCC You mean to say that 9W and IT do not see the likes of 6E and SG as competition ... ohh! so the 'JetKonnect' and 'KF Red' thingies fell from the sky, right!!! ... and try as they might, 9W and IT are now stuck with them till the time the likes of 6E/SG thrive! ... and NG's idea of having a 'Konnect Select' is nothing but selling a mainline 9W flight (minus all the hype and hoopla) with reduced yields.. something he (or any businessman) hates but is forced to do. Add to that, more than 50% (you maybe knowing better!) of 9W and IT domestic operations are now on their LCC variants.. so the line between FSC and LCC is indeed blurring by the day. me111993 wrote: in AI's case ... flights are extensions to the BOM-DEL flights, which I find even more stupid! BOM-DEL-IXR!!! What sort of a routing is that???!?? Taking your very example... Mate! you (or 9W) have any better routing options to offer!?!?! .. ok granted! ... that poor AI pax will do a same plane BOM-DEL-IXR while someone on 9W will travel to DEL (or CCU), twiddle thumbs for 3/4 hrs at DEL/CCU, and then do a DEL/CCU-IXR... makes him feel happy. Good for him! me111993 wrote: You might also find Jet Konnect or Kingfisher Red operate the occasional milk run routings, but never their mainline counterparts! Now.. why should we consider Mainline or non-Mainline as separate units!!! ... Do we separate them when doing number-crunching!!! ... and anyways.. the choice of operating mainline or konnect is also dependent on the rotation of their a/c.. I have seen enough examples of the same flight frequently shifting between mainline and konnect operations. enough said... back to work! Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:52 pm    Post subject: Quote: that poor AI pax will do a same plane BOM-DEL-IXR while someone on 9W will travel to DEL (or CCU), twiddle thumbs for 3/4 hrs at DEL/CCU, and then do a DEL/CCU-IXR... makes him feel happy. Good for him! You're not getting my point here, I have a problem with the rotation, not with what the passengers do, instead of BOM-DEL-IXR; they could've had BOM-CCU-IXR or BOM-PAT-IXR; coz with the amount of back tracking involved, they'd hardly be getting any passengers from BOM flying all the way to IXR, essentially operating an A321 from DEL to IXR only. This is my problem, from the 27th of March, 9W will launch BOM-IXR-PAT-BOM; now fromhere, they'll get passengers to both IXR and PAT from BOM, considering that IXR tag on will only add 1 odd hour to the total flying time as opposed to 2 and a half hours extra added by the DEL tag on with AI. Quote: enough said... back to work! deal. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top AirIndia0001 Member Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 391 Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:17 pm    Post subject: me111993 wrote: Quote: that poor AI pax will do a same plane BOM-DEL-IXR while someone on 9W will travel to DEL (or CCU), twiddle thumbs for 3/4 hrs at DEL/CCU, and then do a DEL/CCU-IXR... makes him feel happy. Good for him! You're not getting my point here, I have a problem with the rotation, not with what the passengers do, instead of BOM-DEL-IXR; they could've had BOM-CCU-IXR or BOM-PAT-IXR; coz with the amount of back tracking involved, they'd hardly be getting any passengers from BOM flying all the way to IXR, essentially operating an A321 from DEL to IXR only. This is my problem, from the 27th of March, 9W will launch BOM-IXR-PAT-BOM; now fromhere, they'll get passengers to both IXR and PAT from BOM, considering that IXR tag on will only add 1 odd hour to the total flying time as opposed to 2 and a half hours extra added by the DEL tag on with AI. I agree, but let's not jump to conclusions here.. If AI feel the need to add such a connection they will do so.. its just that they are (till now) the fastest (and need I say, best) option on the said route. As for BOM-PAT/IXR, that route has been tried before (first by S2 and followed by IC) and both flights were taken off after some time. You see, the biggest domestic market out of IXR is DEL and it is much convenient to connect Intl via DEL. Hopefully this flight will be well received to warrant an AI response! Cheers! Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:49 pm    Post subject: Spiderguy252 wrote: Regarding 9W's supposed "poor IFE", we've had many a discussion before. I recollect this thread off the top of my head: http://airlinersindia.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=9341&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc Jet Airways onboard film fest celebrates Women's Day On the occasion of International Women ’s Day, today, JetScreen, Jet Airways' state-of-the-art in-flight entertainment system, will feature a film festival titled “Modern Day Heroines”, celebrating women in the movies, in collaboration with JetViva. This cycle will also feature the work and craft of the acclaimed Indian Director Sai Paranjpye in the form of Katha, Chashme Buddoor and Disha. The screening will include her exclusive interview, where guests will learn about her perspective on movies and society. For the cycle March to April 2011, Jet Airways' JetScreen will also screen movies ranging from the critically acclaimed “The Kings Speech” (Winner of four Oscars, including Best Picture, Best Actor in a Leading Role, Best Director and Best Original Screenplay) and “Black Swan” (Oscar for Best Actress in a Leading Role), as well as Oscar-nominees "True Grit", "127 Hours" and "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part1". According to Sudheer Raghavan, CCO, Jet Airways, “ In-flight entertainment is a critical part of the on-board experience for all our guests. Our selection of the best movies from various genres is aimed at enhancing the overall in-flight experience. We are confident that our latest selection of movies will appeal to all guests and make their journey more enjoyable. This is part of our initiative to heighten customer satisfaction and we will continue to work towards improving our offerings. ” The airline will also host a delectable fare of award winning international cinema from various parts of the globe including the likes of “I am Love” – an Italian movie and nominee of Oscars, BAFTA and Golden Globe, “Jouese” – a French film par excellence, “Po Po Chiu Kai Yan” (Cantonese and Mandarin) and “The Cove” (documentary and winner of last year’s Oscar). Not to mention arthouse cinema such as “Jogwa”, “36 Chowringee Lane”, “Udaan” and “An Education”. 08/03/11 Business Standard I guess they heard us. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top indopaki Member Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 479 Location: Pakistan Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:48 am    Post subject: Is Air India regional operating as a subsidiary or fully merged into AI mainline? Back to top avbuff Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031 Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:10 am    Post subject: indopaki wrote: Is Air India regional operating as a subsidiary or fully merged into AI mainline? While everything is inline with Air India, they operate under the Alliance Air AOP. In principle it is a different entity. But for all practical purposes, customer end and operational end it is a single airline. 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