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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:23 pm    Post subject: IC code to end 29 Jan 2011 Reply with quote

http://www.indiainfoline.com/Markets/News/AIIA-merger-may-be-completed-by-Jan-end/5044714367


AIIA merger may be completed by Jan end

Indian Airlines, the erstwhile domestic carrier, merged with Air India in 2007, but the two have been functioning as separate entities for all practical purposes.

Air India plans to complete its merger with Indian Airlines this month, paving the way for its entry into the prestigious Star Alliance of global airlines. While completion of the merger, the process for which began more than three years ago, will make it easier for passengers to book tickets and travel, Air India's entry into Star Alliance- which has 27 members -is expected to boost the cashstrapped flag carrier's revenue from the next fiscal. Indian Airlines, the erstwhile domestic carrier, merged with Air India in 2007, but the two have been functioning as separate entities for all practical purposes. Tickets for Air India's domestic flights continue to carry the Indian Airlines' IC code, while international tickets use Air India's AI code. From later this month, the airline will use the AI code on all routes. "The switch-over date is 29 January and the trials have already started," said an Air India official, asking not to be named. Most departments are trying to meet the deadline internally, the official added.

"This is a big big exercise," said Air India's chief operating officer Gustav Baldauf. "After this switch over by January-end, it's only AI. You will not have two different tickets, two different airline counters. It's seamless travel for passengers." The IC code, with its established brand value, will not be given back to the International Air Transport Association. Air India will retain the air operators permit or the licence, Baldauf said. The switch-over to a single code should have been part of the very first stage of merger, said the Air India official quoted above. A single code is a key condition to join the Star Alliance, in which members share each other's code, allowing passengers to travel with multiple airlines on the same ticket. In December 2007, then chairman of Air India Vasudevan Thulasidas announced plans to join the Star Alliance, which includes airlines such as Singapore Airlines Ltd and Deutsche Lufthansa AG.

Yet, Air India could not make the move, partly because of the dual code, and party because it did not procure a passenger reservation system that would allow it to work as part of an airline alliance. This has caused Air India loss of revenue, even as it has been making annual payments to the Star Alliance, said the official quoted above. In April 2010, Air India said it was buying a new reservation system from the technology firm SITA for $190 million (Rs.862.03 crore) which included online booking engine, departure control system, check-in and automated boarding control, baggage reconciliation system and a frequent flyer programme. This will "drastically reduce our distribution costs", current chairman and managing director Arvind Jadhav had said. After the AI code is in place, member airlines of the Star Alliance will start testing the system for compatibility with their own systems from February. Baldauf said he is hopeful there would be no more delays in joining Star. "We will be able to join by June-July," he said. "We are totally on track. Lot of work has to be done. Offline testing of systems is already in progress, we have to do that with all the 27 carriers in Star."

Once the move is completed, Air India passengers would be able to enjoy benefits such as accumulating frequent flyer miles on all the other 27 member carriers. On a journey involving changing flights among Star airlines, they also wouldn't have to check in their baggage more than once. The Air India official quoted above said training the staff to work as part of an alliance may cause problems in the initial months. "The fear is that people are not trained on the new systems and if work is not done beforehand. we could see a T3-like chaos." The airline witnessed a chaotic transition to the New Delhi airport's terminal 3 (T3) two months ago, leading to many flight cancellations and delays.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atlast, the end of the merger process is near.

There is still hope for joining Star alliance as scheduled in June.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not far away, yet there are still over a hundred flights with the IC code. I'm not optimistic on this being completed by Jan 29!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those hundred flights can have flight numbers changed in 15-20 mins, but the integration of AI-IC on a single platform and implementation in tandem with Star Alliance ..... that's about to come to an end. After which switching to AI codes remains a minor formality.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally! Let's hope this happens on time and they end that horrific merger chapter. Baldauf seems to know what he's talking about; let's hope they can get things done on time.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will IC routes to Kabul and Kathmandu go to mainline AI or AIX?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AI-IC integration in GDS takes place from 26JAN11 to 30JAN11.

Reservation and ticket issuance is not available during this period. Travel agents are being notified.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Will IC routes to Kabul and Kathmandu go to mainline AI or AIX?


Kabul and Kathmandu will be on AI.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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AI-IC integration in GDS takes place from 26JAN11 to 30JAN11.


Woo-hoo - finally! Hope this is a smooth process and brings AI closer to *A.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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AI-IC integration in GDS takes place from 26JAN11 to 30JAN11.

Reservation and ticket issuance is not available during this period. Travel agents are being notified.


hmmm.... important piece of info for me...
Can you please provide a published source for the same for confirmation??
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But AI dont have any other SAARC markets, so how does taking these make sense over giving them to AIX.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

indopaki wrote:
But AI dont have any other SAARC markets, so how does taking these make sense over giving them to AIX.


AIX is a LCC.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When is the single website for the airline coming online? Is that even planned to come out soon?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ArpitAgrawal wrote:
jimyvr wrote:
AI-IC integration in GDS takes place from 26JAN11 to 30JAN11.

Reservation and ticket issuance is not available during this period. Travel agents are being notified.


hmmm.... important piece of info for me...
Can you please provide a published source for the same for confirmation??
Thanks in Advance


http://www.abacus.com.tw/abacus_2004/news/airlineDetail_for_new_abacus.jsp?contentnbr=6793&headlinenbr=6704

Link is in Chinese as this was issued by Abacus GDS for Taiwan.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgot theres Male too, I think eventually all three will get transferred to AIX after a year or so.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Male is a gold mine for IC - IX had tried to start 3X TRV-MLE in the past, but wasnt allowed. Hadnt 6E requested MLE too?

Doesnt IC operate to CMB, or is it all IX now?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimyvr wrote:
ArpitAgrawal wrote:
jimyvr wrote:
AI-IC integration in GDS takes place from 26JAN11 to 30JAN11.

Reservation and ticket issuance is not available during this period. Travel agents are being notified.


hmmm.... important piece of info for me...
Can you please provide a published source for the same for confirmation??
Thanks in Advance


http://www.abacus.com.tw/abacus_2004/news/airlineDetail_for_new_abacus.jsp?contentnbr=6793&headlinenbr=6704

Link is in Chinese as this was issued by Abacus GDS for Taiwan.


Thanks mate..
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimyvr wrote:
AI-IC integration in GDS takes place from 26JAN11 to 30JAN11. Reservation and ticket issuance is not available during this period. Travel agents are being notified.


It is still about 4 hours to being 31 Jan, and still the AI/IC websites show different codes for flights. I fervently hope that it is because of the 29-30 Jan weekend. This was one ray of hope for the national carrier(s) - something that even many of the worst detractors of AI/IC were somehow looking towards with some interest. AI/IC have a unique position as opposed to the other carriers - in that a large number of bookings are still done through travel agents (given the large amount of official Govt and semi-Govt travel on AI/IC), as opposed to being done on the AI/IC websites. A delay in setting the website(s) right may not affect AI/IC that much on that account - hence, it will possibly not affect the carrier(s) that much. Here's hoping to seeing a new booking engine in place sometime tomorrow, or by the end of the month!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good God, if AI are using the excuse of a weekend for not abiding by their deadline of having converted all IC flights to AI flights and establishing one search engine on one website for all their flights (including AIX), they are even more pathetic than we ever imagined!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://indiaearnings.moneycontrol.co...b_india/compnews.php?autono=516775

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The new ticketing system with single code, following the successful trials, would be in place by February-mid, an Air India spokesperson said, adding this would hasten Air India''s entry into Star Alliance, the world''s largest integrated air transport network.


The article above says mid-Feb. Maybe this was the timeframe for trial runs?
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sumantra wrote:
jimyvr wrote:
AI-IC integration in GDS takes place from 26JAN11 to 30JAN11. Reservation and ticket issuance is not available during this period. Travel agents are being notified.


It is still about 4 hours to being 31 Jan, and still the AI/IC websites show different codes for flights. I fervently hope that it is because of the 29-30 Jan weekend. This was one ray of hope for the national carrier(s) - something that even many of the worst detractors of AI/IC were somehow looking towards with some interest. AI/IC have a unique position as opposed to the other carriers - in that a large number of bookings are still done through travel agents (given the large amount of official Govt and semi-Govt travel on AI/IC), as opposed to being done on the AI/IC websites. A delay in setting the website(s) right may not affect AI/IC that much on that account - hence, it will possibly not affect the carrier(s) that much. Here's hoping to seeing a new booking engine in place sometime tomorrow, or by the end of the month!
Cheers, Sumantra.


I'm also wondering if this is not happening as it originally planned.
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CHS wrote:
http://indiaearnings.moneycontrol.co...b_india/compnews.php?autono=516775

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The new ticketing system with single code, following the successful trials, would be in place by February-mid, an Air India spokesperson said, adding this would hasten Air India''s entry into Star Alliance, the world''s largest integrated air transport network.


The article above says mid-Feb. Maybe this was the timeframe for trial runs?


I like how they say that a delayed timeline would "hasten" AI's entry into Star Alliance. Only with AI.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, that's Air India for you. It was never expected to go without hassle in the first place, so I can't figure out why everyone is surprised.
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From AI's website:
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Air India opts for a single code (AI) to optimize passenger delight
Jan.27, 2011
New Delhi 27 January 2011: Passengers on the Air India network will no longer have to travel on separate tickets for domestic and international flights, following the successful trials of the new single ticket reservation system, popularly understood as a single code service - the AI code.

The shift would hasten Air India’s entry into Star Alliance, the world’s largest integrated air transport network. This would ensure a number of additional facilities which would make the passenger’s journey enjoyable and hassle-free, said Mr Arvind Jadhav, Chairman & Managing Director, while indicating that the single code, AI, would be formally launched sometime around mid-February.

The migration to the new industry standard Passenger Service System (PSS) has many advantages. These include all services being extended by a single service provider; automate baggage reconciliation; enabling kiosk check-in across the network; and also mobile check-ins. It would also help to speed up the integration of the merged Indian Airlines and Air-India.

Saying that the new system is being implemented by SITA, the world's leading specialist in air transport communications and information technology (IT) solutions, an Air India spokesperson said that SITA was selected following a worldwide tendering process. Once the single code becomes fully operational, Air India passengers would no longer have separate codes for domestic and international travel. Passengers from Aizwal to Toronto via any other destination/s would have a single ticket and therefore seamless travel.

This single code functioning is a key condition to join Star Alliance, in which member-airlines share each other's code, allowing passengers to travel with multiple airlines on the same ticket.

Implemented in a record time of 300 days, the new system involved migration from two different systems to a third system even as it was in compliance with Star Alliance requirements. The first major dry run of the new system was undertaken on January 15 and the final migration to the new system is scheduled to take place around mid-February.

The new system is expected to aid Air-India’s turnaround as joining the Star Alliance, which has 26 carriers as members, will make AI part of a network that operates around 19,500 flights every day from as many as 1,071 airports in 171 countries. In fact, Malaysian Airlines, which recently migrated to the network, says that such membership was a key enabler in its turnaround.


Mid-Feb it's going to be...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The original news article had partially incorrect information.

Much to everyone's dismay, the integration or bringing erstwhile AI and IC on single platform has been completed somewhere on the 13th to 14th January 2011. between 26th and 31st January 2011, a successful dry run was conducted and another one would happen in the next week. After a series of testing only will there be a complete switchover from IC to AI.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

avbuff wrote:
The original news article had partially incorrect information.

Much to everyone's dismay, the integration or bringing erstwhile AI and IC on single platform has been completed somewhere on the 13th to 14th January 2011. between 26th and 31st January 2011, a successful dry run was conducted and another one would happen in the next week. After a series of testing only will there be a complete switchover from IC to AI.


Wow - excellent- this seems to be the first news of any progress - and it sounds like there's been excellent progress!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AuYgNQOpi1BOdDFuVUV4X2drdEcxbzV1TVJMa05ua1E&hl=en


The dawn of the New Year, 2011 is opening a fresh chapter in the life of Air India. On 12th Feb.2011, the merged entity would have migrated to a single code AI (098).
1. Effective 12th.Feb. 2011, from 0001 hours ' IC coded flights will NOT be reflected in the Reservation System and the GDSs'. All the current IC coded flights will be reflected as AI coded flights. All the PNRs under IC code will be changed to A
2. 058 documents will not be valid for fresh issuance/re-issuance. All tickets under 058 code issued before cutover will reside in the existing Amadeus E-Ticket Data Base and will be available for normal functions i.e check-in, reissue, refund etc. Any
Please refer attached FLIGHT MAPPING list to know new flight number effective 12th Feb. 2011.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for sharing Arpit.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arpit, thanks a lot for sharing this important piece of information. The flight number correspondence is important for those of us booked on AI/IC tickets, who are travelling at around the time of the change. Ojas puts it very interestingly - `Much to everyone's dismay...' good one!
One sees that Air India have chosen a middle path between retaining some iconic flight numbers, and reorganisation of some others. Rather than reorganise everything from scratch (which may result in complete mayhem in the days around the change) and `rationalise' some flight numbers between a pair of destinations (which is not easy, given the rotations of a particular aircraft, for instance), I guess a lot of thought has gone into this, and the middle path seems to be the best. This is great news for Air India (though I am not sure how the actual merger would work out, given the complete differences in the organisational structure and rules of IC and AI, and handling the different unions would go), and the Star Alliance membership looks like a plausible event to look forward to.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Govt-defers-phasing-out-of-Indian-Airlines-IC-code/articleshow/7457807.cms

NEW DELHI: As a last-ditch attempt to avert a strike by pilots of erstwhile Indian Airlines (IA), phasing out of IA's IC code and having a common AI code for all flights of national carrier Air India has been postponed. IA pilots' body, Indian Commercial Pilots Association (ICPA), had last month threatened to take "any action" if the issue of pay parity with their AI counterparts wasn't resolved, while phasing out the IC code.

The code change was to happen by mid-February and now there's trouble due to delayed payments of January salary to all employees due to a cash crunch.

Last week, some pilot representatives met the new aviation minister Vayalar Ravi, who is learnt to have assured them that code change will be deferred for some time so that in the meanwhile some solution could be found to the problem.

"Merger of IA and AI happened about four years ago but there has been little progress on pay parity, a must to give a feeling that people work for the same company. Vayalar Ravi told pilots that he will meet employees and understand the issues involved to reach some decision in a fortnight.

In the meanwhile to avoid any unrest or industrial action, he told pilots that phasing out of IC to make way for AI code will be deferred for some time," said sources.

The new minister is meeting AI unions in Mumbai next week and then IA representatives.

"The situation is very serious as there's complete lack of trust within the organisation. To avoid any industrial action and inconvenience to passengers, Ravi is making all attempts to find some solution by the month-end. Pay parity is a complex issue but we don't want phasing out of IC code to be accompanied by strikes," said sources close to the minister.

Having a common AI code for all flights of national carrier is a vital requirement for joining Star Alliance. The change was supposed to happen on January 29 but ICPA sought pay parity by then or else threatened action. "All erstwhile IA pilots are incurring heavy financial losses (due to lower pay as compared to AI, AI Express or expat pilots)... In the interest of natural justice and to maintain industrial peace and harmony, you are requested to ensure before January 29, salary and allowances of all erstwhile IA pilots (are) paid by one single agreement of AI. Also arrears (should) be paid from the date of merger of both airlines that was announced failing which ICPA will be constrained to take any action which may be deemed fit," the ICPA letter had said.
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If Air India cannot resolve this, they might as well rot in hell. Just when everything was coming on track, you have these erstwhile IC losers creating trouble. Utterly sick and frustrating!
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^ You quoted Ojas from a.net word to word, or are you Ojas, anyways really disappointing what AI are doing, whats with these people, PIA employess had an Egypt like revolt complete with violence at Islamabad Airport yesterday as deadline passed to cancel proposed deal with Turkish airlines.

How long will such arm twisting tasctis be tolerated in this region.
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I guess I just had to mention this ominously in my last post... having talked to quite a few IC employees for quite some time, what I could gather was that they were arm-twisted into the merger, and the pay structure was the main irritant in the process. This is indeed disappointing. I guess what most of us can take solace from is that the code merger is right in place - just waiting to be launched, whenever this happens. One step nearly forward, and here we go back again, as the main bones of contention have still not been resolved. Many IC union demands indeed seem to be quite justified.
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Now that the Jan salary matter is possibly behind us, I wonder hat the latest is on this issue...
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sumantra wrote:
Now that the Jan salary matter is possibly behind us, I wonder hat the latest is on this issue...
Cheers, Sumantra.


Has the conflict/whatever the former IC crew were asking for been resolved/granted?
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Has the conflict/whatever the former IC crew were asking for been resolved/granted?


I'm not following the papers on this, but from what I happened to get through a cursorial reading, the delayed Jan salary will possibly be released on time. So this would possibly have the strike put off. But the bigger issue certainly is the pay structure parity between AI and IC. I have no clue on the progress on this issue (if any) - I hope this is resolved soon.
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We'll have to wait till tonight to find out, hoping that the code switchover happens.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The IC to AI code switch is going to be delayed for a month at least due to the resistance of IC pilots/employees.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the update, Ojas. While this is indeed quite disappointing, there is some hope, at least. Further, my flights this month, or early next month are not going to see a change in the flight number, then.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone noticed that in the circular Arpit gave has the Delhi-Melbourne Flight in it?

AI 412 Delhi-Melbourne

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