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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

787 training of ICPA pilots has been suspended indefinitely due to crew shortage on A320 fleet.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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787 training of ICPA pilots has been suspended indefinitely due to crew shortage on A320 fleet.


Oh lord - what's with these flip flops? And with Mantri-ji off to London on a "personal vacation" - I wonder if the AI mgmt will break the impasse around the IPG strike. Hopefully they will get past the strike and get to work soon.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh lord - what's with these flip flops?


The ones already trained will stay on the 787 - it's just that no more pilots will start training until futher notice


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And with Mantri-ji off to London on a "personal vacation" - I wonder if the AI mgmt will break the impasse around the IPG strike. Hopefully they will get past the strike and get to work soon.


That's not going to happen until they give up their idiotic stand of refusing talks. Now that this has been going on for so long, I think both sides are tired enough to be able to talk this out successfully. But the talks need to happen in the first place...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sumantra wrote:
Aseem wrote:
any idea about their names? rivers, mountains, states or back to Maharajas.

Places, if I remember correctly. After the states and union territories are completed, they will start with cities.


I am given to believe that the convention of naming airplanes will cease with the introduction of the 787s. They were intended to be named, however the absence of painted names on the 8 painted 787s seems to confirm this view.

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Does someone have the entire list? All 77Ls and 77Ws, and all 787s?
Cheers, Sumantra.


Here you go.

Please read in the format: Regn - Name - Date of Delivery

777-200LR
VT-ALA Andhra Pradesh 26/07/2007
VT-ALB Arunachal Pradesh 23/08/2007
VT-ALC Assam 27/07/2007
VT-ALD Gujarat 01/01/2008
VT-ALE Haryana 03/03/2008
VT-ALF Jharkhand 22/06/2009
VT-ALG Kerela 29/07/2009
VT-ALH Maharashtra 29/08/2009


777-300ER
VT-ALJ Bihar 09/10/2007
VT-ALK Chattisgarh 30/10/2007
VT-ALL Goa 18/12/2007
VT-ALM Himachal Pradesh 04/06/2008
VT-ALN Jammu and Kashmir 11/07/2008
VT-ALO Karnataka 14/07/2009
VT-ALP Madhya Pradesh 25/08/2009
VT-ALQ Manipur 01/09/2009
VT-ALR Meghalaya 30/09/2009
VT-ALS Mizoram 30/04/2010
VT-ALT Nagaland 24/05/2010
VT-ALU Orissa 12/07/2010

VT-ALV 777-337ER to be delivered
VT-ALW 777-337ER to be delivered
VT-ALX 777-337ER to be delivered



787-8 Actual / Intended Regns
VT-ANA
VT-ANB
VT-ANC
VT-AND
VT-ANE
VT-ANG
VT-ANH
VT-ANI
VT-ANJ
VT-ANK
VT-ANL
VT-ANM
VT-ANN
VT-ANO
VT-ANP
VT-ANQ
VT-ANR
VT-ANS
VT-ANT
VT-ANU
VT-ANV
VT-ANW
VT-ANX
VT-ANY
VT-ANZ
VT-NAA
VT-NAC
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks a lot, @747-237! No names - is this by any chance, related to the ICPA-IPG issue? ICPA-operated planes have never had names.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No names - is this by any chance, related to the ICPA-IPG issue? ICPA-operated planes have never had names.
Cheers, Sumantra.


For all you know, it has to do with politics, as with most things in India.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VT-AND (N10230) & VT-ANH (N1020L) left KPAE today, perhaps for the last time; and have been ferried to CHS for storage, with the other "delivery ready" 787, VT-ANI.





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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boeing South Carolina has rolled out it's second 787, ZA238/LN 54 last night. This is also Air India's second SC built 787, presumably to be registered VT-ANJ.
ZA238/LN 54 is yet to be painted.

There are now four Air India 787s on the Charleston flight line :
VT-AND (N10230) - Everett built
VT-ANH (N1020L) - Everett built
VT-ANI - Charleston built
VT-ANJ (??) - Charleston built

Here they are, together this afternoon:



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Boeing South Carolina has rolled out it's second 787, ZA238/LN 54 last night. This is also Air India's second SC built 787, presumably to be registered VT-ANJ.
ZA238/LN 54 is yet to be painted.

There are now four Air India 787s on the Charleston flight line :
VT-AND (N10230) - Everett built
VT-ANH (N1020L) - Everett built
VT-ANI - Charleston built
VT-ANJ (??) - Charleston built

Here they are, together this afternoon:




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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a better view of the 4 at Charleston (and a first good look at the second SC built 787).


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovely picture @747-237, thanks for sharing this with us!
I know why the engines are white, but at the risk of sounding too naive, why is the tail fin different from all others - without the Air India titles? The tail fin is not that thin. For different tails, Air India have some subtle modifications, some of which look nice, some, not-so-nice e.g., the CR7 `masked bandits', the ATR-42, the A32S, the 332s and the earlier A310s, and the 777s.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Here's a better view of the 4 at Charleston (and a first good look at the second SC built 787).



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A flashback to back in the day : AI's 707 VT-DMN "Kanchenjunga" on the flight line, getting ready for delivery.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So instead of rotting at Sahar or Palam they are gathering dust in CHS. Really no difference I guess.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too bad that the engines cant be painted red.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Here's a better view of the 4 at Charleston (and a first good look at the second SC built 787).


Here's another view.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what is the fifth one sitting at Everett without engines by the Future of Flight Center?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So what is the fifth one sitting at Everett without engines by the Future of Flight Center?


There are 5 Air India 787s at this time at Everett: VT-ANA, VT-ANB, VT-ANC, VT-ANE, VT-ANG. I believe all of these are sans engines.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sammyk wrote:
So what is the fifth one sitting at Everett without engines by the Future of Flight Center?


There are 5 Air India 787s at this time at Everett: VT-ANA, VT-ANB, VT-ANC, VT-ANE, VT-ANG. I believe all of these are sans engines.


Is there space for 28 787's on the ramp?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

747-237 wrote:

VT-ALG Kerela 29/07/2009


Kerela is a bitter vegetable found in "Kerala"
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The President of Boeing India, Dinesh Keskar, said he is confident one or two of the Dreamliners will go to India this month.

The first will be a plane assembled in Everett, Washington and the second will be from South Carolina.


http://www.live5news.com/story/19005265/president-of-boeing-india-says-expecting-dreamliner-this-month
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The President of Boeing India, Dinesh Keskar, said he is confident one or two of the Dreamliners will go to India this month.

For what? A ground run? Pretty certain the recent bout of bickering will keep them from flying anyway!
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Watching those 5 B787 lined up and not flying is very disappointing.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boeing Dreamliner's compensation may be cleared in 15 days: Ajit Singh

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/boeing-dreamliners-compensation-may-be-cleared-in-15-days-ajit-singh/articleshow/15018147.cms
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

747-237 wrote:
Here's a better view of the 4 at Charleston (and a first good look at the second SC built 787).
Can you please share details of this photo? i.e. whose photo is it. I would like to use in in a story and want to seek permission.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Normally an exciting -proposition to see the Flag Carrier acquiring the latest aircraft, upgrading it's hardware. It normally promises better service and higher returns, more profitability. This would have then been promoted well before the aircraft are received.

The the story is not as per the above script. Can the Govt. privatise the airline and hopefully give it a serious shot to pull it all together is the much flogged question.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VT-ANJ was involved in a minor incidence at CHS yesterday.


http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20120729/PC16/120729133/1012/boeing-dreamliner-mishap-prompts-airport-runway-closure-flight-delays


Boeing Dreamliner mishap prompts airport runway closure, flight delays

July 29, 2012

Debris from a brand new Boeing 787 Dreamliner's engine fell onto the runway and into the grass at Charleston International Airport Saturday afternoon, sparking a fire, shutting down the airport and diverting flights for more than an hour.

“A 787 experienced an engine issue today while undergoing preflight runway testing in North Charleston,” Boeing SC spokeswoman Candy Eslinger said Saturday night.

The gravity of the mishap spurred an investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board, Eslinger added.

“After the investigation, we will determine what went wrong and come up with a remedy,” she said.

The unpainted 787 involved in the incident was the latest one built at the sprawling Boeing campus in North Charleston, Eslinger said. General Electric made the engine that was installed in the plane, she said.

No one was injured in the mid-afternoon incident, and it will not affect production, Eslinger said.

Charleston Air Force Base, which owns the runways that are jointly used by the airport, declared a ground emergency at 4:07 p.m. when a grass fire erupted on the airfield, Air Force spokeswoman Rose Alexander said.

Emergency crews then discovered metal debris on the approach to the airport's only operational runway and ordered it shut down to complete a sweep of the 7,000-foot landing strip, Alexander said.

The airport's main 9,000-foot runway is out of commission as it undergoes a complete overhaul over the next few months.

“Our folks came to look at the debris to see if it was from a military aircraft,” Alexander said. “It was not from one of our C-17s.”

The shutdown caused two flights to be diverted, airport spokeswoman Becky Beaman said.

A Mesa Air flight for US Airways from Charlotte and a Shuttle America flight for Delta from Detroit were diverted to Savannah, spokesmen for US Airways and Delta confirmed Saturday. Both flights later arrived in Charleston.

The incident also affected a Southwest flight on takeoff at 4:04 p.m.

The pilot reported striking something on the runway, according to Southwest spokesman Brad Hawkins. The flight landed in Nashville, Tenn., as a precaution to be checked out. Nothing wrong was found, and it continued on to Chicago, he said.

“(The debris) did not come off of our airplane,” Hawkins said.

The airport closed around 4:30 p.m. and reopened at 5:41 p.m., Beaman, the airport spokeswoman, said.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Three planes — of the 27 Boeing 787 aircraft that the airline had ordered — are expected to join its fleet by mid-August.

The airline plans to utilise the Boeing 787 aircraft to expand its international operations. For the first eight weeks after its arrival, the Boeing 787 aircraft will be utilised on domestic routes.



http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/logistics/article3696826.ece?homepage=true&ref=wl_home
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http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/logistics/article3717630.ece?homepage=true&ref=wl_home

Air India refuses delivery of B787 till engine malfunction inquiry is over

Aug. 2

Air India has “advised” Boeing that it would not take delivery of the Boeing 787 till the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) and Federal Aviation Authority investigation into an incident on a new aircraft is complete.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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[i]Air India refuses delivery of B787 till engine malfunction inquiry is over


AI always has me confused - do they want these frikkin planes or not? I admit that having a engine part burn/ drop is not good, but does AI even want these planes in the first place?
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Nimish wrote:
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[i]Air India refuses delivery of B787 till engine malfunction inquiry is over


AI always has me confused - do they want these frikkin planes or not? I admit that having a engine part burn/ drop is not good, but does AI even want these planes in the first place?


They're stalling and BS-ing basically. And making an even bigger fool of themselves in the aviation community.
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Nimish wrote:
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[i]Air India refuses delivery of B787 till engine malfunction inquiry is over


AI always has me confused - do they want these frikkin planes or not? I admit that having a engine part burn/ drop is not good, but does AI even want these planes in the first place?


They're stalling and BS-ing basically. And making an even bigger fool of themselves in the aviation community.


Next time, Boeing should probably teach them a lesson by not bidding at all. Much better than the Nuisance that follows. But then, DK being such a sycophantic personality, nothing will change.
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http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=85697

Delivery of Boeing 787 Approved

03-August, 2012

CCEA Decision

The Cabinet Committee on Economic Affairs has approved the proposal of Ministry of Civil Aviation as per following:

(i) Air India be allowed to take the delivery of 27 numbers of B-787 aircraft after signing the Delay Compensation Settlement Agreement.

(ii) The issue relating to compensation for failure to meet performance guarantees has been delinked from the Delay Compensation Settlement Agreement, which shall be negotiated separately by an Empowered Group of Officers after actual evaluation of the performance of the delivered/inducted B-787 aircraft. The Ministry of Law & Justice would examine and endorse the enabling legal provisions / aspects of the negotiations.

Air India would derive the benefits on account of the induction of the latest state-of-art technology Boeing aircraft which are more fuel efficient than its’ competitors.

Background:

Air India is planning to induct 27 numbers 787 aircrafts in its fleet as part of the contracted deliveries of the aircraft from M/s. Boeing. These aircrafts were scheduled to be delivered from September, 2008 to October 2011. However, due to certain design / production issues these aircraft have been delayed and are now scheduled to be delivered between June, 2012 to March, 2016.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the ministers finally got paid and now Air India is ready to take the 787's
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At this rate, UA might beat AI to the punch of becoming the third 787 operator.


That now appears to be Ethiopian, who take delivery of their first Dreamliner on 08/14.
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Air India to seek compensation for heavier than promised Dreamliner from Boeing

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Air-India-to-seek-compensation-for-heavier-than-promised-Dreamliner-from-Boeing/articleshow/15378114.cms
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Air India to seek compensation for heavier than promised Dreamliner from Boeing

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Air-India-to-seek-compensation-for-heavier-than-promised-Dreamliner-from-Boeing/articleshow/15378114.cms


Boeing should seek compensation from Air India for being more retarded than promised......
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Air India to seek compensation for heavier than promised Dreamliner from Boeing

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Air-India-to-seek-compensation-for-heavier-than-promised-Dreamliner-from-Boeing/articleshow/15378114.cms


Translated: Babu/neta/mantri axis insisting on personal $$$ from Boeing as part of compensation package.
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Air India to seek compensation for heavier than promised Dreamliner from Boeing

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Air-India-to-seek-compensation-for-heavier-than-promised-Dreamliner-from-Boeing/articleshow/15378114.cms


Boeing should seek compensation from Air India for being more retarded than promised......


Did they just get a weighing scale and tip the bird on it? What were they doing all these months and years that this was known?
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“Air India will take delivery of three Dreamliners in August and the remaining by March 2016,” said a senior Air India executive, on condition of anonymity. It will have six by December and eight by the end of March, he said.

http://www.livemint.com/2012/08/07231821/Air-India-ties-fortunes-to-Dre.html
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